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[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Murphys_Law wrote...

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Your poor thats why its expensive.

You're an idiot.  Just because someone wants a certain return from their investment doesn't mean they are poor.  Do you flush money down the toilet just to prove how rich you are?

Wow calm down there bucko im just tired of people acting like 40bucks can buy a new car its really nothing at all.
Also i dont flush money down the toilet to prove how rich i am i buy things like awakening with it.

[Haexpane]

$36.99 for a 25 hour single player game is CHEAP compared to 99% of single player games on the market.



Uncharted 2 is $60 and 10 hours long. CODMW is 5 hours long and $60. (oh but it has MP! ... I'm talking single player, MP FPS is cheap, any fan can make maps and mods, that's not real content)

[fishx255]

Haexpane wrote...

$36.99 for a 25 hour single player game is CHEAP compared to 99% of single player games on the market.

Uncharted 2 is $60 and 10 hours long. CODMW is 5 hours long and $60. (oh but it has MP! ... I'm talking single player, MP FPS is cheap, any fan can make maps and mods, that's not real content)

Oh, do those games require another game to play? Did those games run off the same engine as the last game and reuse or reskin the graphics for the game? Were those games in development for less then a year?
Yeah, mp means nothing, you only get hundreds of hours of competitive online play for free thats just silly. Awakenings could be made by modders without the voice acting and cutscenes, thats not real content.

[Haexpane]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...


Wow calm down there bucko im just tired of people acting like 40bucks can buy a new car its really nothing at all.
Also i dont flush money down the toilet to prove how rich i am i buy things like awakening with it.

Really? I just filled my cat's litterbox with hundred dollar bills to prove how gangsta I am!

Modifié par Haexpane, 29 avril 2010 - 09:16 .

[Murphys_Law]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Murphys_Law wrote...

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Your poor thats why its expensive.

You're an idiot.  Just because someone wants a certain return from their investment doesn't mean they are poor.  Do you flush money down the toilet just to prove how rich you are?

Wow calm down there bucko im just tired of people acting like 40bucks can buy a new car its really nothing at all.
Also i dont flush money down the toilet to prove how rich i am i buy things like awakening with it.

I am very calm.  You are one who starts randomly insulting people.  Of course, you still don't get my point.  It isn't about the 40 bucks, it is about how much value they get out of it.  This just in, people don't like throwing money away on things they don't feel are worth it.  I am tired of people dismissing the price problem with "you are poor LOLOL I r smart and creative".

[Murphys_Law]

Haexpane wrote...

$36.99 for a 25 hour single player game is CHEAP compared to 99% of single player games on the market.

Uncharted 2 is $60 and 10 hours long. CODMW is 5 hours long and $60. (oh but it has MP! ... I'm talking single player, MP FPS is cheap, any fan can make maps and mods, that's not real content)

Let's compare apples to oranges.  DA:A is an expansion.  None of those games are.  DA:A is an RPG and RPGs have different length standards than other game types.  None of those games are RPGs.  DA:A has no multiplayer content.  Those games have MP and no matter how much hand waving you try to do about it, it is still significant content.  Bad argument is bad.

[Haexpane]

Murphys_Law wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

$36.99 for a 25 hour single player game is CHEAP compared to 99% of single player games on the market.

Uncharted 2 is $60 and 10 hours long. CODMW is 5 hours long and $60. (oh but it has MP! ... I'm talking single player, MP FPS is cheap, any fan can make maps and mods, that's not real content)

Let's compare apples to oranges.  DA:A is an expansion.  None of those games are.  DA:A is an RPG and RPGs have different length standards than other game types.  None of those games are RPGs.  DA:A has no multiplayer content.  Those games have MP and no matter how much hand waving you try to do about it, it is still significant content.  Bad argument is bad.

Ok lets compare to other RPG expansions that are 25 hours long and released recently..
/crickets

There haven't been any to compare to!  The "hand waving" about MP in FPS is not "hand waving" at all.

Here is an example.  What is the best multiplayer, most played, longest lasting FPS of all time?

Counterstrike!  What was the cost?  ZERO DOLLARS!  

By this "DAOA is too expensive" logic, all MP games should be free?

Fallout NVegas is coming, uses the same engine as FO3, and is not technically an expansion.  But if you played KOTOR 2, you know FONV will feel like an expansion, only longer.

But what is the complaint here?  If DAOA was 60 hours how much should it have been? I spent 300hours on Morrowind, should I have paid  $250 for it?

Are people advocating we pay per hour of gameplay in a RPG?

Final Fantasy Tactics would have cost me $600

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Murphys_Law wrote...

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Murphys_Law wrote...

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Your poor thats why its expensive.

You're an idiot.  Just because someone wants a certain return from their investment doesn't mean they are poor.  Do you flush money down the toilet just to prove how rich you are?

Wow calm down there bucko im just tired of people acting like 40bucks can buy a new car its really nothing at all.
Also i dont flush money down the toilet to prove how rich i am i buy things like awakening with it.

I am very calm.  You are one who starts randomly insulting people.  Of course, you still don't get my point.  It isn't about the 40 bucks, it is about how much value they get out of it.  This just in, people don't like throwing money away on things they don't feel are worth it.  I am tired of people dismissing the price problem with "you are poor LOLOL I r smart and creative".

 
Man your very defensive about this. Im tired of people crying that it costs to much 40bucks it nothing. Plus awakening isn't a bad game. Its a very good considering its a rushed EA expansion it could of been more, hell if they would fix the bugs and frame rate i would pay 60for it. I dont think im smart and wasn't trying to be funny.
But i see to many subjects where people cry about the price. I am simply tired of people complaining about the price if its to much for you why buy it? Im not randomly insulting people just the guy that had to ask on the forums why a expansion is to expensive thats not random at all. I think you just like to reply to what i send you cause you get a false feeling of self righteousness by telling me off, thinking your defending someone. Serously theres not even a proper answer to the subject he has posted theres no difinitive answer to the question thats why i insulted him cause i hate complainers.

[TJSolo]

Haexpane wrote...

Murphys_Law wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

$36.99 for a 25 hour single player game is CHEAP compared to 99% of single player games on the market.

Uncharted 2 is $60 and 10 hours long. CODMW is 5 hours long and $60. (oh but it has MP! ... I'm talking single player, MP FPS is cheap, any fan can make maps and mods, that's not real content)

Let's compare apples to oranges.  DA:A is an expansion.  None of those games are.  DA:A is an RPG and RPGs have different length standards than other game types.  None of those games are RPGs.  DA:A has no multiplayer content.  Those games have MP and no matter how much hand waving you try to do about it, it is still significant content.  Bad argument is bad.

Ok lets compare to other RPG expansions that are 25 hours long and released recently..
/crickets

There haven't been any to compare to!  The "hand waving" about MP in FPS is not "hand waving" at all.

Here is an example.  What is the best multiplayer, most played, longest lasting FPS of all time?

Counterstrike!  What was the cost?  ZERO DOLLARS!  

By this "DAOA is too expensive" logic, all MP games should be free?

Fallout NVegas is coming, uses the same engine as FO3, and is not technically an expansion.  But if you played KOTOR 2, you know FONV will feel like an expansion, only longer.

But what is the complaint here?  If DAOA was 60 hours how much should it have been? I spent 300hours on Morrowind, should I have paid  $250 for it?

Are people advocating we pay per hour of gameplay in a RPG?

Final Fantasy Tactics would have cost me $600

Short answer, you don't know why so instead you get on your soapbox to promote EA Biowares choice.

Comparing FONV to KOTOR2..."you know FONV will feel like an expansion, only longer" Complete donkey bull as FONV has no connection with the main character from FO3, as already stated from Beth. Having a connection to the prior games main character is one very important feature of expansions, in most cases you are the main character from the previous game. You and Bioware are seemingly getting looser and looser with the term expansion.

Besides let's stay on point with the topic and stop trying to go off on badly conceived tangents.  Assuming DAOA used the same development and resources of DAO. Awakenings seems on the tad expensive side, even more so if you get a digital copy which will cost the same as retail copy.
The people that have a good price on it would be in the UK where it runs, 15 quid which is about $20. If you can get the game for $20-25 new or used that would be a fair deal.

[TJSolo]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...


 
Man your very defensive about this. Im tired of people crying that it costs to much 40bucks it nothing. Plus awakening isn't a bad game. Its a very good considering its a rushed EA expansion it could of been more, hell if they would fix the bugs and frame rate i would pay 60for it. I dont think im smart and wasn't trying to be funny.
But i see to many subjects where people cry about the price. I am simply tired of people complaining about the price if its to much for you why buy it? Im not randomly insulting people just the guy that had to ask on the forums why a expansion is to expensive thats not random at all. I think you just like to reply to what i send you cause you get a false feeling of self righteousness by telling me off, thinking your defending someone. Serously theres not even a proper answer to the subject he has posted theres no difinitive answer to the question thats why i insulted him cause i hate complainers.

Stop sounding stupid and simplistic to imply someone can't afford 40 bucks. It is a question of value not price. Consumers everyday deal with buying or not buying products based on value and in some cases price. It is not them crying as money is a valuable resource people that earn it don't go spending it just because the price is affordable.

[fishx255]

 
Man your very defensive about this. Im tired of people crying that it costs to much 40bucks it nothing. Plus awakening isn't a bad game. Its a very good considering its a rushed EA expansion it could of been more, hell if they would fix the bugs and frame rate i would pay 60for it. I dont think im smart and wasn't trying to be funny.
But i see to many subjects where people cry about the price. I am simply tired of people complaining about the price if its to much for you why buy it? Im not randomly insulting people just the guy that had to ask on the forums why a expansion is to expensive thats not random at all. I think you just like to reply to what i send you cause you get a false feeling of self righteousness by telling me off, thinking your defending someone. Serously theres not even a proper answer to the subject he has posted theres no difinitive answer to the question thats why i insulted him cause i hate complainers.

You are a child, do you really think everyone can afford to buy whatever they want? For someone struggling 40 dollars is not nothing.You are also not understanding what most people are posting. Most people are not complaining about not being able to afford buying the game but that they feel it was a rip off. If I sell you something that is worth 25 cents for 5 dollars are you going to say to yourself I got ripped off or say 5 dollars is nothing its ok. You can enjoy playing awakenings and still feel it should not have been priced at 40$.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Theres a saying you get what you pay for so well...ya. You guys are acting like the game was a complete and total fail when it wasn't that bad as people make it the only annoyance i found wans't the length it wasn't the price it. It was the bugs the game would be very much worth 40bucks if the bugs in the game were addressed. You can call me a child if you will that doesn't really offend me. You can defend this guy if you want if it really makes you feel better. I've seen alot worse games cost alot more. But in the end its all oppion. Also im tired of everyone acting like im a rich douche when i say 40bucks isn't alot of money. IT Isn't 40bucks is a tank of gas 40bucks is 4tickets to a movie 40bucks is about 5-6 things you get at foodlion.Or you can buy a expansion that is an average spin off origins lets you import your charaters and is over 8hours of entertainment each run Stop acting like its a kidney or a new car.

[Haexpane]

TJSolo wrote...
 

Short answer, you don't know why so instead you get on your soapbox to promote EA Biowares choice.

Comparing FONV to KOTOR2..."you know FONV will feel like an expansion, only longer" Complete donkey bull as FONV has no connection with the main character from FO3, as already stated from Beth.

Having a connection to the prior games main character is one very important feature of expansions, in most cases you are the main character from the previous game. You and Bioware are seemingly getting looser and looser with the term expansion.

Besides let's stay on point with the topic and stop trying to go off on badly conceived tangents.  Assuming DAOA used the same development and resources of DAO. Awakenings seems on the tad expensive side, even more so if you get a digital copy which will cost the same as retail copy.
The people that have a good price on it would be in the UK where it runs, 15 quid which is about $20. If you can get the game for $20-25 new or used that would be a fair deal.

FONV runso n FO3 engine modified
KOTOR 2 runs on KOTOR 1 engine modified
Both are developed by OBSIDIAN

KOTOR 2 and FONV are FULL PRICED

DAOA runs on DAO engine modified
DAO A is DISCOUNTED PRICE

[Haexpane]

How many other $36 games came out that were 25 hours long this year on the PS360?



ZERO

[TJSolo]

Haexpane wrote...

TJSolo wrote...
 

Short answer, you don't know why so instead you get on your soapbox to promote EA Biowares choice.

Comparing FONV to KOTOR2..."you know FONV will feel like an expansion, only longer" Complete donkey bull as FONV has no connection with the main character from FO3, as already stated from Beth.

Having a connection to the prior games main character is one very important feature of expansions, in most cases you are the main character from the previous game. You and Bioware are seemingly getting looser and looser with the term expansion.

Besides let's stay on point with the topic and stop trying to go off on badly conceived tangents.  Assuming DAOA used the same development and resources of DAO. Awakenings seems on the tad expensive side, even more so if you get a digital copy which will cost the same as retail copy.
The people that have a good price on it would be in the UK where it runs, 15 quid which is about $20. If you can get the game for $20-25 new or used that would be a fair deal.

FONV runso n FO3 engine modified
KOTOR 2 runs on KOTOR 1 engine modified
Both are developed by OBSIDIAN

KOTOR 2 and FONV are FULL PRICED

DAOA runs on DAO engine modified
DAO A is DISCOUNTED PRICE

Those few similarities don't logically conclude..."Fallout NVegas is coming, uses the same engine as FO3, and is not
technically an expansion.  But if you played KOTOR 2, you know FONV
will feel like an expansion, only longer."

KOTOR 2 felt underdeveloped thanks to Lucas Arts, it did not feel like an expansion.

[TJSolo]

Haexpane wrote...

How many other $36 games came out that were 25 hours long this year on the PS360?

ZERO

Too bad we are talking about a direct expansion of DAO which follows the per hour expectancy. Since it follows the same level, story, and character design.

[Slithermorph]

Oh good Goddess, not this complaint again. I'm not even reading the other posts in this thread before replying. If you're unhappy about the price, don't buy it and live without it. 'Nuff said.

[GrimmRa1010]

A few things to say:

1) First Post yey

2) Just got Dragon Age: Origins on PS3 yesterday for £20 here in Europe, the collector's edition with the bonus DVD and the 2 lots of DLC. I'm only what 6 hours into it and really think I'll enjoy it.

3) In relation to the expansion, it does seem that it is overpriced. I am looking forward to the DLC I've got and to buying more in the future, but £30 seems quite a bit steep. I know it's new and all but since most people say that Origins takes about 40 hours and a Awakening about 10 hours (the minimun anyway, I'm sure most of us could do more if we went deaper into it) then a £10 price increase seems a bit strange. I would be expecting this to be priced at around £15-£20.

4) Why do people say it's not DLC? It's new content, it can be downloaded. lol

5) Can someone tell me, if their is a definate answer, why Awakening isn't available on a retail disk on the PS3 version?

6) Finally, glad to be part of the Dragon Age community and I'm looking forward to playing more of the game.

Modifié par GrimmRa1010, 02 mai 2010 - 04:26 .

[Brehus07]

Picked up PC version up at Gamestop yesterday for $19.99

Modifié par Brehus07, 02 mai 2010 - 09:46 .

[Ubertax]

Haexpane wrote...

How many other $36 games came out that were 25 hours long this year on the PS360?

ZERO

Umm..how about Deadly Premonition less than $20.00 and a heck of a lot of fun and is roughly that long to play through. 

People can have different reasons for purchasing other games regardless of the amount of time they spend playing it. Maybe a 8 hour game that is well polished,  with few bugs, and really exciting appeals to someone more than a game where they have to sink 20+ hours into it. There are different games for different consumers based on their tastes and preferences and I don't think anyone should say how someone else should spend their money. If someone makes a poor choice they will just have to deal with it.

Also try comparing the price of the expansion and what is recieved to that of the actual full retail game (Origins) and at least for me there has been a price increase. The price of $40.00 for Awakening is an increase since I recieved 60+ hours of play time in Origins which I bought at $60.00 dollars so basically for 1hr of Dragon Age I originally paid $1.00. Awakening is $40.00 and offers around 20hrs of Dragon Age content. The price of Dragon Age content just went from being $1.00/hr to $2.00/hr. Now I am not saying that time is the main factor in an RPG but in this case I can use time to measure content and when I do I find that the price for me has increased. Now if Bioware had released a game with more polished graphics, fixed the bugs from the original, and produced a relatively bugless expansion perhaps it would be worth it to me to invest in the expansion to get a better playthrough and Dragon Age experiance. As of right now at the current price point of Dragon Age, their price has doubled making it an overall lesser value.

[Haexpane]

TJSolo wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

How many other $36 games came out that were 25 hours long this year on the PS360?

ZERO

Too bad we are talking about a direct expansion of DAO which follows the per hour expectancy. Since it follows the same level, story, and character design.

Translation: ZERO.  There are ZERO games that compare to DAO A.  You can hem and haw all day

[Ubertax]

Haexpane wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

How many other $36 games came out that were 25 hours long this year on the PS360?

ZERO

Too bad we are talking about a direct expansion of DAO which follows the per hour expectancy. Since it follows the same level, story, and character design.

Translation: ZERO.  There are ZERO games that compare to DAO A.  You can hem and haw all day

I don't get your whole ZERO translation, really Deadly Premonition is good and cheaper than the expansion, it is a full retail game albeit a budget one. But I don't think just because it doesn't fit your arguement you should ignore such a lovely game.

[Ubertax]

Haexpane wrote...

TJSolo wrote...
 

Short answer, you don't know why so instead you get on your soapbox to promote EA Biowares choice.

Comparing FONV to KOTOR2..."you know FONV will feel like an expansion, only longer" Complete donkey bull as FONV has no connection with the main character from FO3, as already stated from Beth.

Having a connection to the prior games main character is one very important feature of expansions, in most cases you are the main character from the previous game. You and Bioware are seemingly getting looser and looser with the term expansion.

Besides let's stay on point with the topic and stop trying to go off on badly conceived tangents.  Assuming DAOA used the same development and resources of DAO. Awakenings seems on the tad expensive side, even more so if you get a digital copy which will cost the same as retail copy.
The people that have a good price on it would be in the UK where it runs, 15 quid which is about $20. If you can get the game for $20-25 new or used that would be a fair deal.

FONV runso n FO3 engine modified
KOTOR 2 runs on KOTOR 1 engine modified
Both are developed by OBSIDIAN

KOTOR 2 and FONV are FULL PRICED

DAOA runs on DAO engine modified
DAO A is DISCOUNTED PRICE

Is your arguement that if a game uses the same engine they are just expansions? For example GOW2, under your system, is just an expansion to GOW? Or is anything produced using the Unreal Engine an expansion of the games that came before it using the Unreal Engine? 

[TJSolo]

Haexpane wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

How many other $36 games came out that were 25 hours long this year on the PS360?

ZERO

Too bad we are talking about a direct expansion of DAO which follows the per hour expectancy. Since it follows the same level, story, and character design.

Translation: ZERO.  There are ZERO games that compare to DAO A.  You can hem and haw all day

So you want to use the words expansion and game interchangably as they fit your arguments? If I buy a $40 game I can play it immediately while if I spend $40 on DAOA I have to also already have bought DAO in order to play it. 
DAOA is an expansion that uses all the same story, level, and character design as the game it is an expansion of. 
When compared to the game it is an expansion of the price seems steep.

[Haexpane]

Ubertax wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

TJSolo wrote...
 

Short answer, you don't know why so instead you get on your soapbox to promote EA Biowares choice.

Comparing FONV to KOTOR2..."you know FONV will feel like an expansion, only longer" Complete donkey bull as FONV has no connection with the main character from FO3, as already stated from Beth.

Having a connection to the prior games main character is one very important feature of expansions, in most cases you are the main character from the previous game. You and Bioware are seemingly getting looser and looser with the term expansion.

Besides let's stay on point with the topic and stop trying to go off on badly conceived tangents.  Assuming DAOA used the same development and resources of DAO. Awakenings seems on the tad expensive side, even more so if you get a digital copy which will cost the same as retail copy.
The people that have a good price on it would be in the UK where it runs, 15 quid which is about $20. If you can get the game for $20-25 new or used that would be a fair deal.

FONV runso n FO3 engine modified
KOTOR 2 runs on KOTOR 1 engine modified
Both are developed by OBSIDIAN

KOTOR 2 and FONV are FULL PRICED

DAOA runs on DAO engine modified
DAO A is DISCOUNTED PRICE

Is your arguement that if a game uses the same engine they are just expansions? For example GOW2, under your system, is just an expansion to GOW? Or is anything produced using the Unreal Engine an expansion of the games that came before it using the Unreal Engine? 

No, that is a nice try at straw manning.

My argument is unchanged.

Name another single player game for the PS360 that launched at $40 and had 25 hours of single player.  You cant.

The point about KOTOR II feeling like an expansion, and Fallout New Vegas feeling like an expansion is not a debate, it's a TRUISM.  Everyone who has played KOTOR II agrees, it's feels, looks, plays exactly like a really long expansion.

Every preview of FO NV says the same things, feels like it's going to be a really cool expansion.

KOTOR II and FO NV were both from Obsidian, both are FULL PRICED games.

DAOA follows the same idea,  looks, feels the same as the original, BUT has new stuff.  AND it's discounted.

Yet some of you are still complaining.   EA could have EASILY added in a deathmatch mode, stripped out 10 hours of single player, launched it at $60 w/ a Drew Brees sink free DLC and called it Dragon Age Origins II