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[SolaFide03]

Excellent so far; I've played about 8 hours.  I've done a handful of the quests out of the Vigil, hit the countryside one time, and did most of the quests in Amaranthine.  I'm finding that given the 130 or so hours in the Origins base game has improved my skill to such a level that I've used alot less injury kits than I ever did my first playthrough.  Adds to the enjoyment.

I am a very story - driven RPG'er, so it's a bit fresh and exciting to not know what's around the next corner - not just Darkspawn but how the story is developing, suprises in each room, etc. 

Love the Rune Crafting and the Stamina potions!

[Bullets McDeath]

The thing is Operative, people always complain. It was announced without romances, it's been discussed in depth on the forum by posters and devs alike as to why that decision was made... people still complain about it. Gaider could sit on this board 24 hours a day and hold everyone's hand via video chat and there would still be 20 new "WHERE IS MY STARFANG AND MY GIRLFRIEND?!!? **** BIOWARE IN THEIR STUPID ASSES" posts on the front page.



Awakening was designed without romances. It's been discussed to death, by posters and devs alike. At this point, there is nothing to say to those people except "**** off, crybaby". Because that's what they are (at this point).

[roundcrow]

 I approve (+15) of devs coming on and telling people to stuff it if they don't like the product, though I would hope that a parent or guardian has had "the talk" with them about SIWOTI Syndrome. 

/end after-school special

Modifié par roundcrow, 17 mars 2010 - 06:25 .

[vonFurious]

I think a lot of folks were surprised to find their "choices" were being "ignored". Where did it say (honestly) that all your choices/ gear/ heart-throbs would carry over? Did people just assume that since Mass Effect 2 offered it (only the story choices I believe?), so to would this franchise? We can play with the semantics of what DLC/ Expansion/ Sequel means to each of us personally all day long (and we do), but I guess I don't remember being guaranteed a persistent world of our own design when I picked up this game. It's a cute idea, but who so clearly outlined these supposed intimate functions?

Modifié par vonFurious, 17 mars 2010 - 06:34 .

[xODD7BALLx]

outlaworacle wrote...

The thing is Operative, people always complain. It was announced without romances, it's been discussed in depth on the forum by posters and devs alike as to why that decision was made... people still complain about it. Gaider could sit on this board 24 hours a day and hold everyone's hand via video chat and there would still be 20 new "WHERE IS MY STARFANG AND MY GIRLFRIEND?!!? **** BIOWARE IN THEIR STUPID ASSES" posts on the front page.

Awakening was designed without romances. It's been discussed to death, by posters and devs alike. At this point, there is nothing to say to those people except "**** off, crybaby". Because that's what they are (at this point).

I never said people wont complain, I'm not a moron, just incase you didnt know. I'd never claim to be the smartest man either.

Yes there ARE some completely absurd expectations people have, but no matter what you think of any complaint or suggestion or concern/question, some really do hold water, some of us have made numerous attempts to get some clarification on things that ARE NOT explained here on the boards or anywhere else, and those attempts are met with silence, then at this point you can understand a bit of frustration when someone posts what they tried to do via email/or  PM here on the boards, and because of the way they are approached because of what else is out there which is absurd, people lash out, or go ape-$H1T on people for having a problem or concern.

Everybody has an opinion there is no way to avoid it, all I am saying is to brush people off or say oh well you bought DA:O plenty have bought Awakenings and those will definitely get DA:2 cya laters attitude is non-productive and yes though my example is rare, it has happened before, and the likelyness of it happening here is slim, but......does that mean everyone who says something to question or voice an opinion is stupid? a whiner? crybaby? bleeding heart? or that they dont matter?

EDIT: Also keep in mind you have the PC version, access to mods, better support for fixes whether it be from BW or community, not everyone has those options, so just because everything is all fine and dandy for you doesnt mean the rest of the world should mirror your experience.

Modifié par Operative84, 17 mars 2010 - 06:34 .

[Moogliepie]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Wishpig wrote...
Somebody picked an approriate username <_<

I'm glad the devs realise that you can only take these forums with a grain of salt. ME, ME2, DA:O... I was around the forums of the games post-release, and honestly, awakening is getting FAR less hate then any of those did, although honestly I suspect this was because people weren't convinced it was gonna be good. So by setting their expectations low they weren't disapointed.

Honestly, I'm surprised at the good feedback this has gotten, DA:O and ME2 got FAR more hate upon release, as soon as I beat Chaos Rising and GoW3, I'm replaying DA:O vanilla and then starting up Awakening... I really really wish I could start playing it right now!

Bratt get off this thread, it's a thread complimenting the game, there are threads that bash the game go post on one of those. Let those who enjoy it have someplace to talk positive about it.

That doens't mean the forums are to be ignored. I loved the expansion and I absolutely do not regret buying it. But I would prefer if the Origins dialogue system woudl return, with improvements from the Awakenign system. It's good as an addition, but not a replacement.

Ignoring forums can lead to crap. Want an example? Command and Conquer 4.
I don't know where they got the idea that  everything that defined the franchise had to go. The forums were in uproar, got ignored of course (with the typical arrogant interviews claimign thatthey know what fans want). And ultimately, it turned out to be a mediocre game (and a piece of crap to CnC fans).

My point is. Improving and providing change is good. But replacing something that isn't broken is unwise. I respect Blizzard's approach to not change the basics of Starcraft. Why did it not? Because the fans didn't want change.

The Awakening system on its own wouldn't work in a full sequel. It can't accomodate romances. It cannot create deep immersion with our companions. It cannot provide very deep character development (it doesn't have to be relevent to the main plot, but it's relevent to the character).

I have to agree here, and I'm a little offput by David Gaider's comments. I caught his little underhanded insult ("psychology") about critical forum posters. You want to know why the "haters" bother to post here? Some are actually just trolls, but most are people who are genuinely disappointed and care enough about your games to let you know why. I'll give you another example of what happens to a game when the community is ignored: Star Wars Galaxies. They disregarded the community so much that the fan base left in droves and warned all other MMOers to steer clear. No amount of marketing and TV ads could bring back the users they insulted. The game still exists because SOE tends to hang on for a while, but it's basically a barren wasteland. If Bioware is adopting this attitude as well, I expect the same fate for the Old Republic Online. 

[PSUHammer]

Moogliepie:



Good points, and it does happen elsewhere, but his "psychology" remark was right on target when talking about people complaining about something they haven't even experienced yet. I agree with that piece of it.

[Moogliepie]

Bibdy wrote...

"don't buy it if you don't like it"

How could it possibly be any other way? Its a product. Not a promise.

One of the absolute, worst possible decisions a development company can make, is let the fanbase design the game for them. The fanbase should guide, not direct.

Have you ever heard of asymmetric information? How is anyone supposed to truly ( and legally) know if they will like the game, without buying it? Since almost all retailers have a no refund policy for open box games, th line "don't buy it if you don't like it," is completely nonsensical. It's also a  callous and tactless thing for an official company rep to be saying. Since "I don't like it, so give me money back," doesn't work, the only logical response is "We don't like it, and if you won't even listen to us, then we won't be buying any future products from you." If Bioware really wants to risk alienating their fan base with these callous repsonses, they better be damn sure every single one of their games is error free and lives up to marketing expectations. 

[PSUHammer]

Moogliepie wrote...

Bibdy wrote...

"don't buy it if you don't like it"

How could it possibly be any other way? Its a product. Not a promise.

One of the absolute, worst possible decisions a development company can make, is let the fanbase design the game for them. The fanbase should guide, not direct.

Have you ever heard of asymmetric information? How is anyone supposed to truly ( and legally) know if they will like the game, without buying it? Since almost all retailers have a no refund policy for open box games, th line "don't buy it if you don't like it," is completely nonsensical. It's also a  callous and tactless thing for an official company rep to be saying. Since "I don't like it, so give me money back," doesn't work, the only logical response is "We don't like it, and if you won't even listen to us, then we won't be buying any future products from you." If Bioware really wants to risk alienating their fan base with these callous repsonses, they better be damn sure every single one of their games is error free and lives up to marketing expectations. 

Well, if you look at this as a piece of entertainment compared to movies, music, etc.  You are in the same boat all the way around.  You do have the option of renting games, or buying them and reselling them on eBay (or similar method).

There have been times my wife and I dropped $30 at a theater only to walk out wishing we didn't waste the money and wanted that $30 and time back...but, we know it was a piece of creative entertainment that was optional for us to partake in.  And, we go in knowing the risk.  Bioware has a great track record, so, you tend to be inclined to buy their stuff with more confidence.  Like a Scorcese(sp?) film, I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt as he has earned my trust and my time.

[beelzabubba]

I am loving this game so far. The random comments from a ****faced Oggie standing in front of his keg had me laughing hard enough to wake everyone in my complex.

[Bratt1204]

Moogliepie wrote...

Bibdy wrote...

"don't buy it if you don't like it"

How could it possibly be any other way? Its a product. Not a promise.

One of the absolute, worst possible decisions a development company can make, is let the fanbase design the game for them. The fanbase should guide, not direct.

Have you ever heard of asymmetric information? How is anyone supposed to truly ( and legally) know if they will like the game, without buying it? Since almost all retailers have a no refund policy for open box games, th line "don't buy it if you don't like it," is completely nonsensical. It's also a  callous and tactless thing for an official company rep to be saying. Since "I don't like it, so give me money back," doesn't work, the only logical response is "We don't like it, and if you won't even listen to us, then we won't be buying any future products from you." If Bioware really wants to risk alienating their fan base with these callous repsonses, they better be damn sure every single one of their games is error free and lives up to marketing expectations. 

I concur.

[vonFurious]

Ack. Apples & Oranges people.



Technical Quality & Creative Content. Not the same thing.

[Falelorn]

I agree with the OP... this is a great expansion. More expansions and DLC please!

[Iryssa_Historian]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Then, thank you for being so gracious with your statements. I have been on the fence about the expansion and will need to wait for a Mac version regardless. I will continue to read everyone's opinions and am quite certain I will most likely buy the expansion when and if it releases on Mac.

Can I ask why you believe you'll buy the expansion?  You have been pretty negative about much of what has been posted about the expansion so far, and negative across multiple threads.  For example, when I see a movie come out that I doubt I'll like, I won't pay to go see it.  Why would you buy anything that you seem convinced that you won't enjoy?

[Moogliepie]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Moogliepie wrote...

Bibdy wrote...

"don't buy it if you don't like it"

How could it possibly be any other way? Its a product. Not a promise.

One of the absolute, worst possible decisions a development company can make, is let the fanbase design the game for them. The fanbase should guide, not direct.

Have you ever heard of asymmetric information? How is anyone supposed to truly ( and legally) know if they will like the game, without buying it? Since almost all retailers have a no refund policy for open box games, th line "don't buy it if you don't like it," is completely nonsensical. It's also a  callous and tactless thing for an official company rep to be saying. Since "I don't like it, so give me money back," doesn't work, the only logical response is "We don't like it, and if you won't even listen to us, then we won't be buying any future products from you." If Bioware really wants to risk alienating their fan base with these callous repsonses, they better be damn sure every single one of their games is error free and lives up to marketing expectations. 

Well, if you look at this as a piece of entertainment compared to movies, music, etc.  You are in the same boat all the way around.  You do have the option of renting games, or buying them and reselling them on eBay (or similar method).

There have been times my wife and I dropped $30 at a theater only to walk out wishing we didn't waste the money and wanted that $30 and time back...but, we know it was a piece of creative entertainment that was optional for us to partake in.  And, we go in knowing the risk.  Bioware has a great track record, so, you tend to be inclined to buy their stuff with more confidence.  Like a Scorcese(sp?) film, I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt as he has earned my trust and my time.

Well, I don't often hear directors saying "if you don't like it, don't go see it," except the REALLY BAD ones, like Uwe Boll. Anyways, the point is the statement doesn't even make sense.

I rely on the opinions of others, or my past experiences with the creative team to influence what movies I decide to see at the theater. When it comes to games, professional reviews are worthless since they rely on ad revenue and exclusives from the game companies. So I have to rely on user reviews, friends and my past experience with the company. Up until now, I always knew a Bioware game would be worth it. But this expansion has left  a sour taste in my mouth, and I'm not alone. No game is perfect, and I don't expect it to be. But I did expect a little more from Bioware than other game companies. At the very least, it should be bug-free (especially as a console gamer).  I, as well as others, were concerned what would happen to Bioware when they got bought out by EA, and callous responses from official reps don't help sway those concerns.

[WingsandRings]

David Gaider wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...
Who is deciding that improvement is even needed

We do.

Origins is one the best RPGs out there; most everyone just loves the game, in an almost insane way. I do not see this love with Awakening, quite the contrary. Almost all of these posts are from people who are so disappointed because the expansion in no way compliments DA:O.

Hate to break it to you, but right after DA:O came out if you came anywhere near the forums you would have thought it must be the worst game in existence. This is pretty typical after any game gets released (or it is for us, perhaps, I don't hang around on other companies' forums very much) -- RPG fans are pretty passionate about what they like and don't like, and the ones that don't like tend to post again and again and again and again. Why? That's for a Psychology major to explore, I suppose.

Psychology grad student ahoy!

It's called "response bias." In any situation where people are not REQUIRED to give an opinion on something, two general groups tend to be the ones that choose to respond: those that love something, and those that hate it. People in the middle of the spectrum rarely let their opinions be known because, well, their opinions just aren't that strong.

Since this is an ongoing message board rather than a one time survey, that might explain why over time things seem to move back from the extremes toward the median -- the "I'm ok, it's ok, you're ok" people have more opportunities to voice something.  But at first, I am unsurprised that the responses are on the extremes. It's very common.

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[roundcrow]

Bratt1204 wrote...

I have never seen a corporation take this sort of complacent approach towards its customers. I could only image if I were out shopping for a vehicle and I complained about a missing feature and was told by the salesperson "We don't have that feature on the car anymore, we decided it wasn't necessary any loner (even though it was the most popular feature on the car), you just need to get over it". I would expect that sales person to be looking for another job and I would be looking elsewhere for a car with features I loved and found necessary. 

You must lead an enviable life or have a pitiful memory, if I may steal a phrase.

[Bratt1204]

Iryssa_Historian wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

Then, thank you for being so gracious with your statements. I have been on the fence about the expansion and will need to wait for a Mac version regardless. I will continue to read everyone's opinions and am quite certain I will most likely buy the expansion when and if it releases on Mac.

Can I ask why you believe you'll buy the expansion?  You have been pretty negative about much of what has been posted about the expansion so far, and negative across multiple threads.  For example, when I see a movie come out that I doubt I'll like, I won't pay to go see it.  Why would you buy anything that you seem convinced that you won't enjoy?

I am trying to gather information from people who enjoy the game for the same reasons I do. I stated "I was quite certain I would most likely" buy it if it releases on Mac. I still have time to make up my mind.

[GEWill]

I those that are negative about this game and complaining about it being short need to realize this is an expansion not a full game.



This expansion is pure quality.

[Bratt1204]

roundcrow wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

I have never seen a corporation take this sort of complacent approach towards its customers. I could only image if I were out shopping for a vehicle and I complained about a missing feature and was told by the salesperson "We don't have that feature on the car anymore, we decided it wasn't necessary any loner (even though it was the most popular feature on the car), you just need to get over it". I would expect that sales person to be looking for another job and I would be looking elsewhere for a car with features I loved and found necessary. 

You must lead an enviable life or have a pitiful memory, if I may steal a phrase.

Yes, actually I do 

[xODD7BALLx]

GEWill wrote...

I those that are negative about this game and complaining about it being short need to realize this is an expansion not a full game.

This expansion is pure quality.

more of an episode but ok......

[vonFurious]

GEWill wrote...

I those that are negative about this game and complaining about it being short need to realize this is an expansion not a full game.

This expansion is pure quality.

Qualitative vs. Quantitative. 

[Ovidi]

Can I get a woop woop for differences of opinion!

[xODD7BALLx]

Ovidi wrote...

Can I get a woop woop for differences of opinion!

you can have one woop but the second is going to cost you..........

[roundcrow]

Ovidi wrote...

Can I get a woop woop for differences of opinion!

No.