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[Mystranna Kelteel]

This is about Oghren.

He was... okay in the core game. Yeah, he was crude and mildly disgusting, but WTH happened? He's way over the top in this expansion. It's like the writers are trying to appeal to the 12 year old "haha fart joke" crowd. >_<

He's married with a kid, and he's trying to nail every girl in my party, telling me about his rashes, telling Velanna her bony butt isn't suitable enough as a "cushion" and constantly asks for sex from Sigrun.

And since the only decent warrior I've seen in the game so far died about 20 minutes in, I'm practically stuck with him if I want a warrior's presence at all.

Do people really think this stuff is cool or funny? It's disgusting. <_<

Really.

[vonFurious]

Blame the liquor. That's what I do.

[yodasmith00]

It's has an adult rating does it not? I think females in general are much too sensitive. Drunks by nature are a bit over the top to begin with.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

He's not drunk the entire game. He's quite sober in the party banter scenes I mentioned above (and more that I didn't mention). There's no slurring, no drunken cackling, no passing out, he doesn't even belch.



He's just disgusting, drunk or sober.



And what does the game's rating have to do with it? I'm not asking them to remove risque content; I'm saying the risque content that's there is disgusting and tasteless.

[vonFurious]

Really? After all the booze I gifted him in Origins, I would think he'd be drunk until at least the sequel.

As far as the "too sensitive" comment above, I think we are witnessing the type of player whom he is designed to appeal to (yeesh, get back inside your cave, man.).

Modifié par vonFurious, 17 mars 2010 - 06:05 .

[Drax_Lyonsbane]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

He's not drunk the entire game. He's quite sober in the party banter scenes I mentioned above (and more that I didn't mention). There's no slurring, no drunken cackling, no passing out, he doesn't even belch.

He's just disgusting, drunk or sober.

And what does the game's rating have to do with it? I'm not asking them to remove risque content; I'm saying the risque content that's there is disgusting and tasteless.

And this is different behavior for him how?
It is the same thing he and Zev always did, why does it bother you now?

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Drax_Lyonsbane wrote...

And this is different behavior for him how?
It is the same thing he and Zev always did, why does it bother you now?

As I said, he's over-the-top in Awakening.

Asking Leliana what's worn under a chantry robe is a little different from telling Velanna that her butt isn't suitable cushion, or asking Sigrun to go behind a wall/around the corner so he can expose himself to her.
He did have moments in the original, but they weren't this bad or this frequent.

Zevran had a measure of charm; he wasn't flat-out crude and disgusting about it.

[Spinnazie]

I think he's hilarious.



To each his own.

[Volourn]

Oghren is Oghren. He is a disgusting pervert. Don't like him, don't journey with him as soon as you can.

I think people - both men and women - can be over sensitive about things. I don't think BIO is saying Oghren is cool because of his piggyness no more than they are saying that Zevran is cool because he's an assassin. I mean, geez. Do all character needs to be goody two shoes? Oghren isn't supposed to be a clean cut all amerikan boy. He's a foul dwarf whose fellow dwarves aren't keen on him.

Also, we cna't be 100%b sure he still has a wife, and secondly, anybody thoguht that Oghren would be a good father is sadly mistaken. Guess what? Poor fathers exist in real life too. 8shrug*



"Zevran had a measure of charm; he wasn't flat-out crude and disgusting about it."

Kiddin' right?

Modifié par Volourn, 17 mars 2010 - 06:19 .

[Sunnie]

I have to agree with you Mystranna, mostly. I never cared for Oghren, only took him along on adventures in Origins that required him. What I see is that since he sort of ended up being a less used companion for (name your reason here), the writers wanted to make him, um, better? While he is much more funny in Awakening, he does go way overboard on the sexual inuendos and what not. Some here and there would actually work really well, but it is just way overboard. And since he's the only tank in the group, I suppose we are forced to put up with it, especially since you are not warned with some of these. Example: You click on a mission board in the city and up pops Oghren talking about his... rash.  yuck.
If I had known clicking that board was going to result in that I would have avoided clicking on what I thought was another mission board.
Guess there is always the consol way of adding Mhairi back to the group so I can leave the stupid dwarf back at the babysitter.

[minianthunter]

Well in case you didn't notice Velanna's starter robes are a "bit" revealing, you can see almost her whole ass and her cleavage is epic. Shes leaving little to imagine. Its almost like a girl who wears a low cut shirt but then complains about too many guys staring at her



My own opinion of the matter is i think its hilarious, the reactions she has to it, shes so embarrassed because no one has talked to her in such a way before

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sounds like Oghren is being ol' Oghren. Which is good as far as I'm concerned. I'm looking forward to traveling with the little pickled pervert again.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Volourn wrote...

Also, we cna't be 100%b sure he still has
a wife, and secondly, anybody thoguht that Oghren would be a good
father is sadly mistaken. Guess what? Poor fathers exist in real life
too. 8shrug*

He does still have a wife... She pops up at least once to confront Oghren at the Vigil.

minianthunter wrote...

Well in case you didn't notice Velanna's starter robes are a "bit" revealing, you can see almost her whole ass and her cleavage is epic. Shes leaving little to imagine. Its almost like a girl who wears a low cut shirt but then complains about too many guys staring at her

My own opinion of the matter is i think its hilarious, the reactions she has to it, shes so embarrassed because no one has talked to her in such a way before

You're kidding, right? You're not honestly going to try the "She dresses somewhat provocatively so she deserved it!" defense, are you?

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 17 mars 2010 - 06:28 .

[RogueWriter3201]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

This is about Oghren.

He was... okay in the core game. Yeah, he was crude and mildly disgusting, but WTH happened? He's way over the top in this expansion. It's like the writers are trying to appeal to the 12 year old "haha fart joke" crowd. >_<

He's married with a kid, and he's trying to nail every girl in my party, telling me about his rashes, telling Velanna her bony butt isn't suitable enough as a "cushion" and constantly asks for sex from Sigrun.

And since the only decent warrior I've seen in the game so far died about 20 minutes in, I'm practically stuck with him if I want a warrior's presence at all.

Do people really think this stuff is cool or funny? It's disgusting. <_<

Really.

This might cause me to loose "Dude" points, but I have to agree with Mystranna 
concerning Oghren 2.0 for Awakening. Is the guy funny at times? Yes, without
question. There are some moments where he has me in Stiches. However, at
other times...?

Look, I love and watch Robot Chicken, so pointless Frat boy humor is something
I enjoy from time to time. In moderation. The problem with Ogi is that the writers
thought "Making him better," constituted ramping up the number of Sex comments
and their respective level of vulgarity. I like talking about sex as much as the next
guy, but, ****, even I need to take a break once and a while and talk about...well,
anything else. In DA:A it's almost 'all' Ogi talks about. Hell, in DA:O he at least
occasionaly piped in with something that showed there was not just a Sex crazed
drunk under all that beard. And it lulls between Sex jokes made the moments when
he did comment on giving Wynne a Roll, or Alistair and his Pole twirling hilarious.

Basically, I don't have a problem with the inuendos or more In Your Face "Let's Frakk,"
moments. Just think maybe they could have benefited for letting Oghren take a flipping
breather between crude humor. Like I said, Moderation in all things.

Modifié par glenboy24, 17 mars 2010 - 06:33 .

[Raiil]

Oghren was a little over the top, even for me- I'm a 20-odd year old woman with the sense of humour of a 12 year old boy. I felt like they were trying a bit too hard, and the jokes fell flat.

[mousestalker]

I think the main problem is that in Origins we had for warriors Alistair, Dog, Oghren, Shale and Sten. We had Lelianna and Zevran for rogues and Wynne and Morrigan for mages. In Awakenings we have Oghren as the only viable warrior at the beginning. If you didn't like character X in Origins, you could just dress them in funny armour and leave them in camp. Oghren is a 'must have' this go around for a good chunk of the game unless the Warden happens to be a warrior. I guess the only solution if you don't like Oghren is to grab Justice right off the bat.

[mousestalker]

In Origins the pike twirling and the weapon polishing dialogues work because you expect him to be crude when he's actually discussing pike twirling and weapon polishing. So any crudity in the conversation exists in Wynne's and Alistair's minds (and yours).



Oghren this go around is even more of a biker than he was before. I keep looking for his Harley.

[Drax_Lyonsbane]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

As I said, he's over-the-top in Awakening.

Asking Leliana what's worn under a chantry robe is a little different from telling Velanna that her butt isn't suitable cushion, or asking Sigrun to go behind a wall/around the corner so he can expose himself to her.
He did have moments in the original, but they weren't this bad or this frequent.

Zevran had a measure of charm; he wasn't flat-out crude and disgusting about it.

Ahh, I understand.  I haven't played Awakening yet so I was just guessing.
From what you and others are saying, it seems he is too frank and his "timing" could have been better?
I didn't really care for Zevran for much the same reason, he was simply crude no matter how "sophisticated" he tried to be.
Boy talk ought really be kept amongst us boys, as it were. :innocent:

[Gabey5]

blame it on the aaaaachooohal

[HowlingSiren]

Oghren ended up growing on me in Origins. I left him in camp in my first playthroughs, but for the sake of variety (and to discover that priceless party member banter) I did drag him along quite a bit in the end. That being said, he remains my least favorite character of Origins, simply because other characters had more depth and thus their dialogue options were more interesting and generally much funnier. In Awakening, I remembered how much I disliked Oghren at the beginning of Origins. Humor is subjective, but I just found him crude and predictable. I think I had only one laugh out loud moment when I remember systematically rolling on my sofa with laughter whenever Shale, Alistair and even Sten would start bickering.

What made Origins the best game ever for me, beyond the epic story, was the interaction with the characters, the fact that you felt you got to peel off the many layers of their personas to discover what lies underneath and could ultimately form bonds with them. I was left wanting more of that - and there is precious little of it in Awakening, which is my main disappointment with the expansion. The characters are all interesting, but not multi-dimensional as they were in Origins. I played through Origins an embarrassing number of times - I don't feel the same compulsion with Awakening.

[Darkannex]

As others have said-it's like they ramped up the supposed comedic effect. In Origins he honestly came off as someone that was hiding his misery by booze and acting up like a little kid. underneath it all he was heartbroken.



By the end of origins if you got him high enough he tells you that you helped him overcome it. And then come Awakening he is acting even worse than he did in Origins. It's rather baffling.



Zev could be crude-but it wasn't ALL crude all the time. That's the point being made. Oghren has yet to say anything that didn't make me wince or wish that I could get another warrior in STAT.

[MiSsSmOkEy20]

I thought he was funnier in this game then he was in the Original game. But then again Im the kinda girl who can take a dirty joke without being offended. Its just jokes.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...

I thought he was funnier in this game then he was in the Original game. But then again Im the kinda girl who can take a dirty joke without being offended. Its just jokes.

I can take a joke when a joke's a joke.

Oghren isn't joking. It might be a case where BioWare is saying, "It's a joke! Look how depraved he is!! :D"

But Oghren is not joking with the vast majority of these comments.

[Janni-in-VA]

Zevran in DA:O actually reminded me of a couple of guys I knew back in the day. They were charming, sexy, funny and perfectly upfront about what they'd like to do. (They were also intelligent, well brought up, and knew how to behave in company. The innuendo was saved for private moments.) However, like Zevran they could accept "No" with grace and an honest respect for my rights.

[Noir201]

Haven't got awakening yet but, as expected, knew Oghren wouldn't changed, and it's depressing he's worse.

Also knowing the fact i be stuck with him for awhile when i start

Modifié par Noir201, 17 mars 2010 - 08:28 .