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[wyndestalker]

Personally I do believe Awakening was a bit of a rip off in the end. It just to me did not live up to Bioware's reputation of solid gaming experience. I am a side quest **** and a level grinding **** when it comes to RPGs.I completed all side quests including the upgrade ones for the Vigil and till only got about 20 hours of gameplay from it. Now yes I can take my other characters from DA:O through the game but the story differences just aren't there this time around. You don't get all the interesting back grounds of the different characters you can pick up through out the game. I loved spending time just chatting it up in the camp with my fellow adventurers.
With DA:O It compelled me to start a new character to keep on playing with different builds and races and classes. This time around I feel disappointed. Do not get me wrong it is a good game and in my opinion $20-$30 for it would have been a reasonable fee. A ton of the stuff we enjoyed in DA:O just was not available here in Awakening. Think back to your different various endings in DA:O. This is a continuation of the story of your character of your adventures. Yet there is no real significant side effects from what you did in Origins. I went through and have a save file of all the different possible endings in Origins and come to find out it means nothing in this expansion pack. I was looking forward to seeing all my consequences etc. from Origins in Awakening but was greatly let down.
In the end $45 was a hefty price tag for only 20-30ish hours of gameplay. The DLC version for only $30 is a much better deal if only I had known about that before I went out and bought the disc.
Also remember PC players. Yes you have the different modders to expand and increase the game and replayability of the game. This is a great thing and definitly makes the $45 more reasonable for your group of players. Yet let us not forget this game is also released on the Xbox360 and PS3.....We do not have the luxury of the modders to increase the value of our game we get what little DLC BioWare deciedes to give us and our own gumption into getting a full value of gameplay out of it. In the first DA:O I have put in roughly 200+ hours of gameplay. I definitely got my $70 worth out of it....then of course adding on Warden's Keep and Return to Ostagar DLC were well worth the extra cash because of how deep they ran the story into the characters and the game itself.
Overall.....
Story earned a 7,5 out of 10.....BioWare did not live up to its reputation of being the best of the best in story telling. Characters had no real depth to them almost 2deminsional for the most part except of Ohgren because you learned about him in Origins.
Originality earned a 9.0 out of 10....Great use on continuing the story and kept it unique through out the entire game as far as your quests etc. Reason for no 10 out of 10 is simple....another apostate who wants to destroy his phylactery....can anyone say Jowan?
Replayability earned a 5.0 out of 10.....Let's face it if I wanted to basically see the same story twice I would watch a movie twice back to back....
This is just my opinion you can agree or disagree you are welcomed to your opinion.

P.S. No excuse for not showing the consequences of your actions because they did a great job in the transition from Mass Effect to Mass Effect 2.

[What a Twist]

I feel like it had a bit more detail than DA:O, but the ending was so unexpected, (and not in the good way) that it left me searching the box for a second disc.

[Haexpane]

Wal0Text

[Gvaz]

One person beat the game in 8 hours.



$40 for 8 hours, maybe 15-20? Yeah no thanks.

[xODD7BALLx]

Haexpane wrote...

Wal0Text

AHHHHHH WORDS NOOOOOO I DONT LIKE READING AHHHHHHHH

[Beaner28]

GvazElite wrote...

One person beat the game in 8 hours.

If he wants to speed through it and skip over half the content it's not BioWare's problem.

[Mad Method]

Allow me to slightly fix the formatting of the OP's post:

Overall Review of DAA... Result = RIP OFF!

Personally, I do believe Awakening was a bit of a rip off in the end. It just to me did not live up to Bioware's reputation of solid gaming experience. I am a side quest whore and a level grinding bitch when it comes to RPGs. I completed all side quests including the upgrade ones for the Vigil and till only got about 20 hours of gameplay from it. Now yes I can take my other characters from DA:O through the game but the story differences just aren't there this time around. You don't get all the interesting back grounds of the different characters you can pick up through out the game. I loved spending time just chatting it up in the camp with my fellow adventurers.

With DA:O, it compelled me to start a new character to keep on playing with different builds and races and classes. This time around I feel disappointed. Do not get me wrong it is a good game and in my opinion $20-$30 for it would have been a reasonable fee. A ton of the stuff we enjoyed in DA:O just was not available here in Awakening. Think back to your different various endings in DA:O. This is a continuation of the story of your character of your adventures. Yet there is no real significant side effects from what you did in Origins. I went through and have a save file of all the different possible endings in Origins and come to find out it means nothing in this expansion pack. I was looking forward to seeing all my consequences, etc. from Origins in Awakening but was greatly let down.

In the end $45 was a hefty price tag for only 20-30ish hours of gameplay. The DLC version for only $30 is a much better deal if only I had known about that before I went out and bought the disc.

Also remember PC players. Yes you have the different modders to expand and increase the game and replayability of the game. This is a great thing and definitly makes the $45 more reasonable for your group of players. Yet let us not forget this game is also released on the Xbox360 and PS3... We do not have the luxury of the modders to increase the value of our game we get what little DLC BioWare decides to give us and our own gumption into getting a full value of gameplay out of it. In the first DA:O I have put in roughly 200+ hours of gameplay. I definitely got my $70 worth out of it... then of course adding on Warden's Keep and Return to Ostagar DLC were well worth the extra cash because of how deep they ran the story into the characters and the game itself.

Overall
Story earned a 7,5 out of 10... BioWare did not live up to its reputation of being the best of the best in story telling. Characters had no real depth to them almost two-dimensional for the most part except of Ohgren because you learned about him in Origins.
Originality earned a 9.0 out of 10... Great use on continuing the story and kept it unique through out the entire game as far as your quests etc. Reason for no 10 out of 10 is simple....another apostate who wants to destroy his phylactery....can anyone say Jowan?
Replayability earned a 5.0 out of 10... Let's face it if I wanted to basically see the same story twice I would watch a movie twice back to back...

This is just my opinion you can agree or disagree; you are welcome to your opinion. 

P.S.: No excuse for not showing the consequences of your actions because they did a great job in the transition from Mass Effect to Mass Effect 2.

Modifié par Mad Method, 17 mars 2010 - 08:02 .

[Mr.DriftingDreamer]

I'm with ******. If your goal is to see just how quickly you can get through a game simply so that you can say "this game was too short, screw you (insert company name here)! Man, what a ripoff" maybe its time you give up gaming all together. I'm not here to flame or troll but I've found that Awakening is q GREAT follow up to DA:O. Now I've only clocked about 8 hours myself, but come on, new runes, and in armor!! OOOOO the power your characters can have now. Plus new Wade stuff!! Come on people, a game isn't about the stunning movie at the end, its about all the little headless darkspawn on the way.

[Bibdy]

People pay $10 for a 90 minute movie.

Apparently $40 for a 1200 minute game, is just too criminal.

[hexaligned]

It's an obvious money grab, but, no one forced you to pay for it. In this day and age if you pay for any digital media that doesn't live up to your expectations, you don't really have anyone to blame but yourself,

[Kimarous]

wyndestalker wrote...

Personally I do believe Awakening was a bit of a rip off in the end. It just to me did not live up to Bioware's reputation of solid gaming experience. I am a side quest **** and a level grinding **** when it comes to RPGs.I completed all side quests including the upgrade ones for the Vigil and till only got about 20 hours of gameplay from it. Now yes I can take my other characters from DA:O through the game but the story differences just aren't there this time around. You don't get all the interesting back grounds of the different characters you can pick up through out the game. I loved spending time just chatting it up in the camp with my fellow adventurers.
With DA:O It compelled me to start a new character to keep on playing with different builds and races and classes. This time around I feel disappointed. Do not get me wrong it is a good game and in my opinion $20-$30 for it would have been a reasonable fee. A ton of the stuff we enjoyed in DA:O just was not available here in Awakening. Think back to your different various endings in DA:O. This is a continuation of the story of your character of your adventures. Yet there is no real significant side effects from what you did in Origins. I went through and have a save file of all the different possible endings in Origins and come to find out it means nothing in this expansion pack. I was looking forward to seeing all my consequences etc. from Origins in Awakening but was greatly let down.
In the end $45 was a hefty price tag for only 20-30ish hours of gameplay. The DLC version for only $30 is a much better deal if only I had known about that before I went out and bought the disc.
Also remember PC players. Yes you have the different modders to expand and increase the game and replayability of the game. This is a great thing and definitly makes the $45 more reasonable for your group of players. Yet let us not forget this game is also released on the Xbox360 and PS3.....We do not have the luxury of the modders to increase the value of our game we get what little DLC BioWare deciedes to give us and our own gumption into getting a full value of gameplay out of it. In the first DA:O I have put in roughly 200+ hours of gameplay. I definitely got my $70 worth out of it....then of course adding on Warden's Keep and Return to Ostagar DLC were well worth the extra cash because of how deep they ran the story into the characters and the game itself.
Overall.....
Story earned a 7,5 out of 10.....BioWare did not live up to its reputation of being the best of the best in story telling. Characters had no real depth to them almost 2deminsional for the most part except of Ohgren because you learned about him in Origins.
Originality earned a 9.0 out of 10....Great use on continuing the story and kept it unique through out the entire game as far as your quests etc. Reason for no 10 out of 10 is simple....another apostate who wants to destroy his phylactery....can anyone say Jowan?
Replayability earned a 5.0 out of 10.....Let's face it if I wanted to basically see the same story twice I would watch a movie twice back to back....
This is just my opinion you can agree or disagree you are welcomed to your opinion.

P.S. No excuse for not showing the consequences of your actions because they did a great job in the transition from Mass Effect to Mass Effect 2.

[Yuloto1]

Bibdy wrote...

People pay $10 for a 90 minute movie.

Apparently $40 for a 1200 minute game, is just too criminal.

By your logic alone - sure thats fair.  Its not so much the value of the product, its the expectations I believe people had going into it.  I have games I haven't even opened laying around, games I've played 10 minutes and written off, and games I've replayed 5x since owning.  Assuming I paid the same amount for each game, which would be the best value?  DAO was one of the games that made 5x playthroughs.  I've played through awakenings completely and have little interest in it.  With a marginal cost difference Awakenings was not worth it to me.

[Bibdy]

Yuloto1 wrote...

By your logic alone - sure thats fair.  Its not so much the value of the product, its the expectations I believe people had going into it.  I have games I haven't even opened laying around, games I've played 10 minutes and written off, and games I've replayed 5x since owning.  Assuming I paid the same amount for each game, which would be the best value?  DAO was one of the games that made 5x playthroughs.  I've played through awakenings completely and have little interest in it.  With a marginal cost difference Awakenings was not worth it to me.

Heh, funny. The $20 difference between the original DA:O and DA:A is marginal.

But the $10 difference between DA:A and the price of most other expansions is INSANE!

[Yuloto1]

Bibdy wrote...

Yuloto1 wrote...

By your logic alone - sure thats fair.  Its not so much the value of the product, its the expectations I believe people had going into it.  I have games I haven't even opened laying around, games I've played 10 minutes and written off, and games I've replayed 5x since owning.  Assuming I paid the same amount for each game, which would be the best value?  DAO was one of the games that made 5x playthroughs.  I've played through awakenings completely and have little interest in it.  With a marginal cost difference Awakenings was not worth it to me.

Heh, funny. The $20 difference between the original DA:O and DA:A is marginal.

But the $10 difference between DA:A and the price of most other expansions is INSANE!

I picked up the core DA:O for $49.99 the week it came out, so yes; "marginal."  I'm fairly certain if you looked hard enough now as its been out a while, you could find it for less then the cost of the expansion.

I made a post somewhere about how video games have largely ignored inflation and how the cost of developing them has gone up.  That being said, I'm left to wonder if DA:A is an exception or the start of a trend.  Either way - do I have a problem spending $39.99 for an expansion?  Absolutely not.  Do I regret buying it if its crap?  Absolutely.  I wouldn't go quite that far with DA:A; but if I could do it over again....I would wait till it hit the bargain box.

[5Warlocks]

I played the entire game with both Haste and the Spirit Warrior speed buff on, and still got 17 hours out of it despite missing a few quests (never found the solution to "The Trade Must Flow," skipped the Orphans, and missed Oghren's personal quest I assume due to too low approval). I consider it good value for my money.

I only have two disappointments, really: 1) I wish that the villains had gotten a bit more screentime--and I felt the same about Loghain in Origins. Hopefully Bioware gives DA2's villain as much exposure as they gave Irenicus; 2) The game was rather easy even on Nightmare; I didn't ever wipe or even have my main PC take an injury, and only came close during the last battle. 

Of course, it was a nice change of pace from Origins that the final encounter actually was the hardest fight in the game. 

Modifié par 5Warlocks, 18 mars 2010 - 01:33 .

[Shinji Ex]

So the game is bunk?

It's buggy? -$5

Not user friendly carry over? -$5
 
And only takes 20 or so hours minim to complete? -$5

Sounds like it should only be worth $15 for the DL version

[Yuloto1]

5Warlocks wrote...

I played the entire game with both Haste and the Spirit Warrior speed buff on, and still got 17 hours out of it despite missing a few quests (never found the solution to "The Trade Must Flow," skipped the Orphans, and missed Oghren's personal quest I assume due to too low approval). I consider it good value for my money.

I only have two disappointments, really: 1) I wish that the villains had gotten a bit more screentime--and I felt the same about Loghain in Origins. Hopefully Bioware gives DA2's villain as much exposure as they gave Irenicus; 2) The game was rather easy even on Nightmare; I didn't ever wipe or even have my main PC take an injury, and only came close during the last battle. 

Of course, it was a nice change of pace from Origins that the final encounter actually was the hardest fight in the game. 

That was one of my gripes.  I rolled through the game never really feeling challenged.  I played through with my templar/champion sword and board tank.  The only gear I changed was starfang as it didn't import.   Overall time to complete: 10 hours and 8 minutes.  Lowest % of life my character dropped to was around 75% prior to the finale.

Mind you, I've played through DA:O a few times and knew exactly the warrior build I wanted, what gear to get, and where to put points.  That being said, I took that same gear through DA:A, with a 1 warrior group, and laughed off the fights. 

[Aldaris951]

Ty so much for the opinions people, Im going to hold off buying it till its cheaper.

[Altima Darkspells]

GvazElite wrote...

One person beat the game in 8 hours.

$40 for 8 hours, maybe 15-20? Yeah no thanks.

Bibdy wrote...

People pay $10 for a 90 minute movie.

Apparently $40 for a 1200 minute game, is just too criminal.

It never fails that when someone mentions price of games, someone always brings up the movie angle.  Frankly, it's starting to get annoying.

DAO was 60 hours.  DAA is 20 (at best).  DAO cost, what, ten dollars more than DAA?  That's on the PC, and not the consoles where people get shafted.

Let's also not forget that WK was ten dollars.  And yet, it was only, what, 45 minutes?

See, we can manipulate numbers too.

[Eshaye]

Operative84 wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Wal0Text

AHHHHHH WORDS NOOOOOO I DONT LIKE READING AHHHHHHHH

I like reading, but the way the text is typed and laid out just blinded me. 

edit: someone reformatted the OP, Yay! ty

Modifié par Eshaye, 18 mars 2010 - 02:49 .

[BlazingSpeed]

Aldaris951 wrote...

Ty so much for the opinions people, Im going to hold off buying it till its cheaper.

Yeah, especially since I paid $40 for DA:O with Shale thanks for the estimate on how long the expansion is that along with the other info does seem to point this expansion out as a money grab it's to bad seeing that DA:O was my first PC/Bioware game.

[Yuloto1]

BlazingSpeed wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...

Ty so much for the opinions people, Im going to hold off buying it till its cheaper.

Yeah, especially since I paid $40 for DA:O with Shale thanks for the estimate on how long the expansion is that along with the other info does seem to point this expansion out as a money grab it's to bad seeing that DA:O was my first PC/Bioware game.

Bioware is arguably the best single player pc rpg game developer.   I guess its fair to say every company has a hiccup; but I wouldn't let it scare you too much.  The main extent of my problems with the expansion are:

A: Forcing a patch that causes PC crashes.  The expansion doesn't properly import prior DLC items.  Thats a slap in the face.  Yep, I spent $15 downloading storyline, gear, and abilities...guess what?  It doesn't work in the $40 expansion!  The best part?  The fix to that will be out about the same time as a price drop!
B: Straying from what made DA:O so great.  Character interaction ANYWHERE, player choice, and more importantly the recognition of player choice and consequence.
C: Ability redundancy.  Mages do not need 8 new point blank area abilities.  Seriously.
D: Challenge.  Or lack of.  I remember that first fight in the tower, my first playthrough.  You know, with the darkspawn emmisary, grease trap, fireball, and archers?  I couldn't believe I walked right into that.  The only time I broke half a sweat in DA:A was at the end.  I think I had to use 4 or 5 potions.
E: Value.  If I'm spending $10 less (then DA:O) for 10 hours, I would hope its up to par with the 30+ hours I originally purchased. What I got was multiple boss tier mobs with the same model, texture, and a different color shirt!  "Come anonymous supervillian #3!  Let me fell you just like the 2 before who looked and sounded just like you!"

I tend to avoid the negativity threads; but I had to sound off in this one.  This one was amusing though, people justifying spending money for time...usually, my time is worth money; not the other way around.  Of course, if we are talking in terms of entertainment, that time has to be entertaining or its not money justifiably spent.  Hell, I could volunteer bag at a mexican walmart all day if all I wanted to do was remain occupied.

[Hizoka003]

i will wait for a price drop... DAO = 50 bucks 50-100 hours of game play... DAA = 40 bucks for maybe 20 hours... seems a bit off, seems like it should of been a 15 buck DLC

[Feraele]

Being that most stated the game would be about 15 hours....you got 20 hours? Well bully for you hehehe



Sorry couldn't read the whole thing you typed up there, was afraid I'd go blind.

[Gabtinha]

I have just bought the expansion, left work early to play and I am sooooo disappointed. No possibility of having real conversation with the NPC's and no romance?! What was bioware thinking? They left out what made them so good game developers...