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[Sixwire1127]

Bioware... I'm not sure what to really say.



First off this is far from being worth the $40 price tag that was slotted for the all of 11h 19m it took me to complete this game on my first play through. Secondly the lack of support for the previous DLC installments(which total to about half the cost of this fluffed up side quest) Awakening just felt rather lacking. The statement that "Most DLC is not compatible, but the gear in Awakening will easily surpass it" is frankly a joke. There were very few weapon options that were better than the RTO swords, not to mention if Starfang were available that would be basically even money. There were a few armor sets that were an improvement but honestly you could have steam rolled the game with the Warden Commander's Armor as honestly it carried in most cases better damage stats all around. I will say the ring, neck, and belt selections were vastly improved. For those that enjoyed non-magical ranged or being a mage then yes there were a wider variety of options for you. As far as those that prefer a heavier armored fighter, you were all but forgotten. Some will say what about the Sentinel Armor Set? Sure it looked cool but was honestly for the meat shield.



Awakening after installed caused the game to become very unstable, this is after having installed patch v1.03 which was supposed to solve issues not create a whole new set of them. I play this game on PC because frankly I have a system that runs circles around any of the current gen gaming consoles. It becomes annoying and tiresome when I constantly have to reload the game due to some kind of crash or lock up. I realize that some games may have bugs when they launch, its to be expected, however when this is just an addition to a previous install which ran perfectly fine until ex-pac install/patch v1.03 it feels more like I payed for a beta not a finished product.



I couldn't stop saying great things about the original installment of the game. Character creation, plot, individual back story, multiple endings etc. I could easily spend 45h of game play time going for full completion. This game I wouldn't recommend to anyone for is current price. I would willingly pay $15 to $20 for this and be mostly happy; however this game just isn't worth the money.



The way your previous back story rolls over into this one is a bit lack luster. You can't travel outside of your little corner of the world even though all of the previous world map should still be there. For instance I finished my original campaign as the dwarf noble. At the end of it depending you become named as a living paragon, have your own house formed, statue built yada yada. You aren't even given the option of simply traveling back to check on things if you so chose to return along with your second. I can somewhat understand that Sigrun may not know some things but she can recognize you as the exiled prince but not as a Paragon, or the person who picked a king, or even as a Grey Warden.



Social interaction between the characters was very dull, it was about as good as playing with a group expendable new recruits, or red shirts if you will. Anders was the only character that I found enjoyable because he was the only one with a personality that wasn't competing for points with the cheap ore I scrounged up for Wade.



Your duties as the Arl are more or less pointless and disappointing. By the time anyone got back to me about those conspiring to kill me... I had already killed her and looted her rotting corpse. The various boards give you a few menial tasks but nothing challenging and mostly just cheap filler.



Plot line... okay let's face it, very few games today have good writing. Bioware is typically one of the few that Does have good writing and story but in Awakening the story was so bland it never even felt like it started as you blinked and it was over. Okay talking darkspawn cool groovy, you find out like 2 random group encounters before the final fight that oh this is how they can talk. It doesn't delve into the mysteries of the Architect, a grand scheme or potential threat to Fereldan or Thedas nada. Just oh hai I wanna be friends ktnxbai, then the final jeopardy question of kill or don't kill. With the original there was some desire to learn the different back stories so at least partial replay value, where with Awakenings I almost wish I did have it for a console so I could go to Gamestop tomorrow and sell it back.



All in all this ex-pac is defiantly going to make me reconsider any pre-order/launch purchases of further Dragon Age installments. I hope for the hard work and makings of the great game DA:O was Bioware decides to put more effort into the next installment than most kids do their homework now a days.

[Bibdy]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

GvazElite wrote...

One person beat the game in 8 hours.

$40 for 8 hours, maybe 15-20? Yeah no thanks.

Bibdy wrote...

People pay $10 for a 90 minute movie.

Apparently $40 for a 1200 minute game, is just too criminal.

It never fails that when someone mentions price of games, someone always brings up the movie angle.  Frankly, it's starting to get annoying.

DAO was 60 hours.  DAA is 20 (at best).  DAO cost, what, ten dollars more than DAA?  That's on the PC, and not the consoles where people get shafted.

Let's also not forget that WK was ten dollars.  And yet, it was only, what, 45 minutes?

See, we can manipulate numbers too.

And yet its all better value for money than any other entertainment product you can find on this planet earth.

Isn't that quaint?

Well I'm glad you're annoyed, because that means we're in similar company. It annoys ME that people can't look at DA:O and think "Holy COW that's exceptional value for money". These idiots seem to think the amount of hours you get out of DA:O is the norm. lawl? Are you going to tell me other single-player only games like Crysis kept you occupied for 100 hours?

Modifié par Bibdy, 18 mars 2010 - 04:20 .

[Haexpane]

Here's a pro tip, read the previews so you know what you are buying before you cry "rip off"



It's about half the cost of the DAO (console version) and about half the content.



By definition, you did not get ripped off because you got exactly what you bought, DAO expansion.



Personally I'm enjoying it so far

[Zifbox]

It amuses me that the expansion MUST be compared to the original game in terms of gametime. DA:O was an insane value. 70+ hours my first playthrough, and I played through twice. If further content (DLC, expansions, et cetera) has to have a bit less bang for my buck in order for them to recoup what were surely monumental development costs, well, 20 hours playtime is still way more than most full-price games these days, so I'm not going to complain. And I'll probably play through twice, taking different companions and making different decisions and whatnot, so it'll really be more like 40.

You spoiled brats need to grow up. It's really unfortunate that game forums like these only portray the vocal minority of trolls, while most people who enjoy the game are too busy with said enjoyment to come comment.

Modifié par Zifbox, 18 mars 2010 - 05:32 .

[Hizoka003]

Zifbox wrote...

It amuses me that the expansion MUST be compared to the original game in terms of gametime. DA:O was an insane value. 70+ hours my first playthrough, and I played through twice. If further content (DLC, expansions, et cetera) has to have a bit less bang for my buck in order for them to recoup what were surely monumental development costs, well, 20 hours playtime is still way more than most full-price games these days, so I'm not going to complain. And I'll probably play through twice, taking different companions and making different decisions and whatnot, so it'll really be more like 40.

You spoiled brats need to grow up. It's really unfortunate that game forums like these only portray the vocal minority of trolls, while most people who enjoy the game are too busy with said enjoyment to come comment.

people thin 40+ hour games are a great value now... but they are all kids... if you played games 7-12 years ago and you bought a game that was less then 30 hours it was basically blacklisted by everyone unless it was multiplayer...

just go back and look at RPGs of old


pretty much every older Final Fanytasy game 50-100 hours in a single play though

Chrono Trigger 40+ hours

Zelda games 30+ hours

people are ignorant to think a 12 hour games is a soild game length... its the new garbage that is thrown out and people except it as the norm instead of the constant decline games have had over the last decade. Now someone will say some garbage about voice acting and graphics taking away from game length, IMO that a load of horse pucky nothing is more important in a game then game play, because without solid game play it could have tons of naked boobs and still suck (leasure suit larry)

people need to stop look back on where gaming came from and look at its current state... every game company is making games shorter, yet the one company that seems to have more money then they know what to do with keeps making their main game longer...

WoW is an MMO everyone knows that, but even still to get to max level when knowing where everything is and doing a speed run it takes 100+ hours to get max level on a speed run. That is an example of a hughe game content wise, now i am not saying its a good game, but its not 15 hour tumble in the sheets.


40+ hours games should be the standard not the exceptions... as soon as game makers figure that out again they will see profits go back up.

[sekhmet2003]

I just finished, with all the quests I could do, and It was about 10 hours. I had thought, since the expansion was near the same price, that I would get near the same play time. I am totally disappointed.

[Demx]

Haexpane wrote...

Here's a pro tip, read the previews so you know what you are buying before you cry "rip off"

It's about half the cost of the DAO (console version) and about half the content.

By definition, you did not get ripped off because you got exactly what you bought, DAO expansion.

Personally I'm enjoying it so far

It's $20 off not $30 for console versions in the states.

[Raider777]

Sounds really disappointing, especially considering a lot of people paid 35.00 for origins new. Now they want 40 dollars for less than half the content?

[Hizoka003]

Siradix wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Here's a pro tip, read the previews so you know what you are buying before you cry "rip off"

It's about half the cost of the DAO (console version) and about half the content.

By definition, you did not get ripped off because you got exactly what you bought, DAO expansion.

Personally I'm enjoying it so far

It's $20 off not $30 for console versions in the states.

DAO = 50 bucks.... DAA = 40 bucks ... that means math eludes you

Modifié par Hizoka003, 19 mars 2010 - 04:04 .

[NvVanity]

Hizoka003 wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Here's a pro tip, read the previews so you know what you are buying before you cry "rip off"

It's about half the cost of the DAO (console version) and about half the content.

By definition, you did not get ripped off because you got exactly what you bought, DAO expansion.

Personally I'm enjoying it so far

It's $20 off not $30 for console versions in the states.

DAO = 50 bucks.... DAA = 40 bucks ... that means math eludes you

My gamestop had Origins for 60 dollars. Where did you buy yours?

[Hizoka003]

NvVanity wrote...

Hizoka003 wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Here's a pro tip, read the previews so you know what you are buying before you cry "rip off"

It's about half the cost of the DAO (console version) and about half the content.

By definition, you did not get ripped off because you got exactly what you bought, DAO expansion.

Personally I'm enjoying it so far

It's $20 off not $30 for console versions in the states.

DAO = 50 bucks.... DAA = 40 bucks ... that means math eludes you

My gamestop had Origins for 60 dollars. Where did you buy yours?

gamestop for 50 bucks... the guy at the counter saw you coming and made 10 bucks off your stupid

[boomnslice]

My gamestop had Origins for 60 dollars. Where did you buy yours?
[/quote]gamestop for 50 bucks... the guy at the counter saw you coming and made 10 bucks off your stupid
[/quote]


 Original release price was $59.99 (for the regular edition, $69 or $79 for the Collector's Edition--I forget which) unless you were able to get the discount (forgot how you were able to get it, but it irritated me that on release day, or right after, some were able to get it for something like $49 or $45 with some promotional sale/coupon or something). 
   So, unless you purchased yours with the promotion/sale, used, or after release day... then you had to pay the original selling price (especially, if you pre-ordered, as such I)
   OH!  I almost forgot why I don't bother posting/reading these forums much ... the immaturity level seems to keep reaching new heights.**
** I know, I know.. I'm going to get "flamed" for saying that (and this), but..even a dog (yes, a dog -- you know the animal -- man's best friend..not to be confused with a "dawg", a "homey", a "G", or any other idiotic word showing lack of any intelligence and class... could sense the downfall of the original purpose of a forum. 
  
   Notice: I'm saying the words, not the individuals, are idiotic and show lack of intelligence, and class..just thought I'd point that out before you all read it without properly understanding what I state.  Therefore, slamming me for saying I'm a calling others idoits, stupid, and classless. (it is very possible someone could be very smart, but speek/type very unintelligently due to "fitting in" or wanting to seem "cool", or simply, just being plain disrespectful.)

   Back on topic, I do agree, in part, with the OP's statement. I don't feel the cost is totally worth it...and if the cost is less to download it from XBox live, then why weren't we given any advance notice about this?  I had already purchased my copy on pre-order and on release day, popped in my DA:O disk and low and behold.. there was the download for DA:A ?!?  Would have saved me a 40 min drive to the nearest Gamestop, had I known about it being able to be downloaded.
  
    I don't think that this "expansion" can really be called an expansion due to the fact that it seems more like an isolated adventure formed neatly off to the side... aside from that, not being able top use items & spells from the WK and Shale DLC's.. and the imported character doesn't "feel" like the same character..that is, all his accomplishments don't seem to be implemented.  
  
   His faithful Mabari is nowhere to be found (he's even missing from the character's codex--just a blank name/space).  Allistar doesn't even speek with you much- as someone else stated, it would have been nice to have been able to have some extra dialogue with him.

   There are a few more things, such as the glitches... which make this "adventure" less enjoyable.  The surroundings, though, seem to have a little more detail to them, that's a plus.


In all, I am enjoying the "adventure",to a certain degree.  Do I believe it is worth the price? Not completely.  I say wait until your nearest game retailer/trade in center has a used copy cheaper or until there's a price drop.

[TJSolo]

By saying 'a' dog it is obvious that you mean the animal and not the slang usage.

As for the social diatribe that was sprinkled with insults by association, unnecessary.

Slang is slang and don't seem any more idiotic then referring to someone as limey.

Using slang doesn't denote anything more then that is just a misconception.

[Yuloto1]

The platform made something of a difference, PC owners paid $49.99 launch day at a lot of major retailers.

[Jamie7791]

GvazElite wrote...

One person beat the game in 8 hours.

$40 for 8 hours, maybe 15-20? Yeah no thanks.

Assuming that 8 hours is an average (which I doubt - I think it's several hours longer if you choose to fully explore the sidequests), you're looking at roughly $5.00 per hour of entertainment.

Going to the movies costs far more (tickets, popcorn, etc.) and you have the option of replaying the expansion with different choices and endings.

You could also wait until it's been out for a little while and the price goes down. /shrug

[Leon Elsa]

Oh boy, the movie ticket argument.

Now, I think calling this a rip off is a little extreme; the expansion is just a little overpriced.

Modifié par Leon Elsa, 19 mars 2010 - 05:12 .

[Mlai00]

By that logic, $8-$10 price for a DLC you can finish in 90 minutes is a good deal.

Hey let's not take movies as example. Let's take McDonald's...

$7-$8 price for a DLC you can finish in 15-20 minutes is a great deal! It's longer than the time I scarf down a Big Mac meal!

Keep telling yourself these rationalizations, and pretty soon they will be reality.



Not saying DAO:A is a bad standalone game (post patches). But your logic is a slippery slope, and exactly how EA wants you to think.

[sarahkay]

Right before Christmas, my Gamestop (and I'm assuming all Gamestops) was having a 20% discount off of just about everything, and I also remember $20 off of L4D2. 

Nobody here is "stupid," it just depends when/where you got the game.

[boomnslice]

TJSolo wrote...

By saying 'a' dog it is obvious that you mean the animal and not the slang usage.
As for the social diatribe that was sprinkled with insults by association, unnecessary.
Slang is slang and don't seem any more idiotic then referring to someone as limey.
Using slang doesn't denote anything more then that is just a misconception.

   
    Upfront, I would like to appologize to you and any other that may have felt insulted.  I am sorry.

    I am a little surprised that the first response was as such (no offense to you, I was expecting, if anything, an immature "flaming", that's all) I highly appreciate your oppinion/view.  Though, my meaning of the use of slang was directed at immature posters that never heard of the words "Mr.","Sir", "Mrs.", "Mss", "Ms", or "Ma'am".  Instead simply insult those they're refering to.  Again, I appologize if you felt some offense to what I had said.  I do not believe the use of slang denotes lack of intelligence, however, I do believe using such slang towards another you do not know, is a bit disrespectful...not to mention the outright calling of one to be stupid, as the posted above my original post had done.

This has gone a bit awry, I accept/acknowledge that.. I was simply tired of the immaturity spread across these forums..and was trying to make a point, which I guess didn't come across as properly as I meant. For that I am sorry.

Please continue back on topic.

Modifié par boomnslice, 19 mars 2010 - 05:45 .

[NvVanity]

Hizoka003 wrote...

NvVanity wrote...

Hizoka003 wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Here's a pro tip, read the previews so you know what you are buying before you cry "rip off"

It's about half the cost of the DAO (console version) and about half the content.

By definition, you did not get ripped off because you got exactly what you bought, DAO expansion.

Personally I'm enjoying it so far

It's $20 off not $30 for console versions in the states.

DAO = 50 bucks.... DAA = 40 bucks ... that means math eludes you

My gamestop had Origins for 60 dollars. Where did you buy yours?

gamestop for 50 bucks... the guy at the counter saw you coming and made 10 bucks off your stupid

Or maybe I bought it when it first came out. That's probably why. Keep the name calling to a minimum, it makes you seem less intelligent.

[Jamie7791]

My attempt at comparison was merely comparing the amount of time spent enjoying said entertainment with the price. Personally, I feel that I've gotten my money's worth in purchasing the expansion.



Typically speaking, most first expansions that are based of hit games are more expensive and go down in price as time progresses.



The companies that market the products at the given prices do so based on consumer demand. In my opinion (and I haven't done any research to back this up - this is merely speculation on my part), DA:O was a standalone game and didn't receive as much hype pre-release as many other games. So the original price was a great deal.



The game blew people away and created a large following -- so of course Bioware would want to capitalize on this with any future expansions. However, I highly doubt that if Bioware decides to release another expansion (not a sequel) for DA:O, the price will be far less than Awakening.



The price for Awakening also depends on where you decided to purchase the item. I've seen all different price variations, including discounts for pre-release orders.



I tend to be a pretty hardcore gamer chick, so I don't mind paying a bit more for a game from a company that has typically turned out some pretty amazing games. It's my hope that they're able to continue to create amazing products.



Once again, these are just my opinions. My intentions aren't to offend anyone.

[Jamie7791]

Mlai00 wrote...

By that logic, $8-$10 price for a DLC you can finish in 90 minutes is a good deal.
Hey let's not take movies as example. Let's take McDonald's...
$7-$8 price for a DLC you can finish in 15-20 minutes is a great deal! It's longer than the time I scarf down a Big Mac meal!
Keep telling yourself these rationalizations, and pretty soon they will be reality.

Not saying DAO:A is a bad standalone game (post patches). But your logic is a slippery slope, and exactly how EA wants you to think.

Interesting.

I can't remember the last time I went to McDonalds for entertainment, but I'll keep that in mind.

But really -- when it comes down to it, it's a question of how much you (as an individual) are willing to pay for what you consider entertainment.

I don't care what EA wants me to think.  If a game sounds interesting to me and I believe that the amount of entertainment the game will provide is equivalent or better than the cost of the game -- I'll buy it.  It's that simple.

[terrordactyl1]

Lucky you, it's a jaw dropping $55 in the UK

[Demx]

Original release was $59.99 for Dragon Age Origins

Original release was $39.99 for Dragon Age Awakening



$59.99 - $39.99 = $20.00

[Realmzmaster]

I am completely enjoying Awakening. I'm having fun and that is the bottom line for me. I have paid $40 for some full priced games and got no enjoyment out of them. I paid $36 for the expansion on Amazon and I am getting my money's worth.
The expansion installed flawlessly. I have encountered no bugs with either the 1.03e patch or the expansion.
Everyone is up in arms about the price. Bioware does not have a gun to your head saying buy the game or the expansion. If you think the price is too high wait for it to drop.
As far as items transferring I had no problems with the Stone Prisioner or RTO items.

@Haexpane,
Yes, I am enjoying the game also.

@OP,
I do not think the expansion is a rip-off, but obviously YMMV.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 19 mars 2010 - 06:39 .