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[Walina]

relhart wrote...

It's an obvious money grab, but, no one forced you to pay for it. In this day and age if you pay for any digital media that doesn't live up to your expectations, you don't really have anyone to blame but yourself,

It's easy to say that but most of people don't know that before playing the game

[Sadless]

I wont add to stuff already mentioned here.. complaints only kills my mood.
I wanna know if anyone had trouble with reclaiming the equipment after imprisoning?
I cant get the "test object for the Elven' equipment" to attack me - and Fireball (i.e.) dont even give a resist message.

Modifié par Sadless, 20 mars 2010 - 06:36 .

[Karmianna]

Sadless wrote...

I wont add to stuff already mentioned here.. complaints only kills my mood.
I wanna know if anyone had trouble with reclaiming the equipment after imprisoning?
I cant get the "test object for the Elven' equipment" to attack me - and Fireball (i.e.) dont even give a resist message.

The problem I had was finding the body, I didnt notice I had killed the elf experiment and had to come back later to find the corpse.

[Yzen_Danek]

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And yet its all better value for money than any other entertainment product you can find on this planet earth.

Isn't that quaint?

Well I'm glad you're annoyed, because that means we're in similar company. It annoys ME that people can't look at DA:O and think "Holy COW that's exceptional value for money". These idiots seem to think the amount of hours you get out of DA:O is the norm. lawl? Are you going to tell me other single-player only games like Crysis kept you occupied for 100 hours?

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All of this is totally irrelevant; you might as well be talking about the price of helecopter skiing or cocaine.

Value in the gaming industry is relative to other offerings in the gaming industry, and in this particular conversation we're talking about two offerings in the same series, and a difference in value that is extremely significant.

It's a terrible value compared to the first, to other RPG offerings in the genre and especially to other offerings by the same company.

There is no need to be an apologist for what is a clear departure from Bioware's typical game model.

[Karmianna]

[quote]Yzen_Danek wrote...


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And yet its all better value for money than any other entertainment product you can find on this planet earth.

Isn't that quaint?

Well I'm glad you're annoyed, because that means we're in similar company. It annoys ME that people can't look at DA:O and think "Holy COW that's exceptional value for money". These idiots seem to think the amount of hours you get out of DA:O is the norm. lawl? Are you going to tell me other single-player only games like Crysis kept you occupied for 100 hours?

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All of this is totally irrelevant; you might as well be talking about the price of helecopter skiing or cocaine.

Value in the gaming industry is relative to other offerings in the gaming industry, and in this particular conversation we're talking about two offerings in the same series, and a difference in value that is extremely significant.

It's a terrible value compared to the first, to other RPG offerings in the genre and especially to other offerings by the same company.

There is no need to be an apologist for what is a clear departure from Bioware's typical game model.



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DAO was an exceptional game but not exceptional for Bioware. For Bioware it was in line with what  we have come to expect. Awakenings however at a price of 40 dollars is just a rip off. The amount of extra play time was no where near worth the price tag. It was just about at DLC value.  If it built onto the existing game it would have been acceptable.

But it eliminated features we liked and replaced them with nothing. It added no depth just a few rather lame quests and some cheesy grub looking models with the most simplistic animations. The animations done for the grubs, looks like something I did years ago with Poser. By no means was Awakenings something you would expect to be offered by a Award winning world class game company. 

They should hang their heads in shame, To hang the same titles as the Game of the year on this mad dash for cash is a shame.

Modifié par Karmianna, 20 mars 2010 - 04:59 .

[Hizoka003]

Here are some examples of games that for 50 bucks gave more then 100 hours of gameplay  Baulders Gate, Baulders Gate 2, Final Fantasy 3 - 13, Super Mario Galazy, Super Mario 64, NeverwWinter Nights, Neverwinter Nights 2, The Witcher, Knights of the old Republic, Knights of the Old Republic 2, Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of time, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Mass Effect, Metroid Prime Trilogy, and i am sure there are dozens not listed.


Now if you were a smart person, you would notice that most of thoes games listed were released 5+ years ago. A person with even marginal deductive reasoning skills would be able to surmise that games have been getting shorter and shorter as time goes forward. There are a great many reasons for this, many of which are kids wanting instant gradification rather then building something over time, current games focus more of looking good rather then being good. There is not a seasoned gamer out there that will ever tell you the looks of a game are more important then the game play. Also if the gameplay of a game is really good people want it to last a good while, the reason FPS games are short, is a monkey can master them in 20 minutes and if the story is longer then 8-10 hours no-one will finish it becasue they will be too damn bored to keep going, becasue no matter what ever FPS is ultimately the game thing, you point a gun and kill stuff, all that changes is the background.


this is pointed at people who think that a 15-20 hour expansion si worth nearly the same amount as the original

Modifié par Hizoka003, 20 mars 2010 - 07:21 .

[worksa8]

It could have been so good- they did add a lot of nice new things, but you can't enjoy them because it's 50 bucks and still only 10 hours of game play at most. The best new items are...well by the time you get them- the game is over.
And this is NOT the same length as the original. I can burn through this in under 5 hours, if I tried to burn through Origins it would take me at least 20 hours. (I even put Awakening on hard mode because it is too easy)
All this and the fact you pay very close to full game cover price...Not impressive.

Modifié par worksa8, 20 mars 2010 - 07:31 .

[Karmianna]

Hizoka003 wrote...

Here are some examples of games that for 50 bucks gave more then 100 hours of gameplay  Baulders Gate, Baulders Gate 2, Final Fantasy 3 - 13, Super Mario Galazy, Super Mario 64, NeverwWinter Nights, Neverwinter Nights 2, The Witcher, Knights of the old Republic, Knights of the Old Republic 2, Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of time, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Mass Effect, Metroid Prime Trilogy, and i am sure there are dozens not listed.


Now if you were a smart person, you would notice that most of thoes games listed were released 5+ years ago. A person with even marginal deductive reasoning skills would be able to surmise that games have been getting shorter and shorter as time goes forward. There are a great many reasons for this, many of which are kids wanting instant gradification rather then building something over time, current games focus more of looking good rather then being good. There is not a seasoned gamer out there that will ever tell you the looks of a game are more important then the game play. Also if the gameplay of a game is really good people want it to last a good while, the reason FPS games are short, is a monkey can master them in 20 minutes and if the story is longer then 8-10 hours no-one will finish it becasue they will be too damn bored to keep going, becasue no matter what ever FPS is ultimately the game thing, you point a gun and kill stuff, all that changes is the background.


this is pointed at people who think that a 15-20 hour expansion si worth nearly the same amount as the original

Mass Effect 2 was also a great expansion. So it is not unreasonable to expect similar value from DAA. 
Bio and EA dropped the ball big time here. It would take some serious DLC and patching to make it even close to being worth the price.  This will certainly provide pause on any future preorders baring the Bioware/EA logo.

[Karmianna]

worksa8 wrote...

It could have been so good- they did add a lot of nice new things, but you can't enjoy them because it's 50 bucks and still only 10 hours of game play at most. The best new items are...well by the time you get them- the game is over.
And this is NOT the same length as the original. I can burn through this in under 5 hours, if I tried to burn through Origins it would take me at least 20 hours. (I even put Awakening on hard mode because it is too easy)
All this and the fact you pay very close to full game cover price...Not impressive.

Agreed, I have had more enjoyment posting and reading the forums than I did playing the expansion.

[Hizoka003]

Karmianna wrote...

Hizoka003 wrote...

Here are some examples of games that for 50 bucks gave more then 100 hours of gameplay  Baulders Gate, Baulders Gate 2, Final Fantasy 3 - 13, Super Mario Galazy, Super Mario 64, NeverwWinter Nights, Neverwinter Nights 2, The Witcher, Knights of the old Republic, Knights of the Old Republic 2, Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of time, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Mass Effect, Metroid Prime Trilogy, and i am sure there are dozens not listed.


Now if you were a smart person, you would notice that most of thoes games listed were released 5+ years ago. A person with even marginal deductive reasoning skills would be able to surmise that games have been getting shorter and shorter as time goes forward. There are a great many reasons for this, many of which are kids wanting instant gradification rather then building something over time, current games focus more of looking good rather then being good. There is not a seasoned gamer out there that will ever tell you the looks of a game are more important then the game play. Also if the gameplay of a game is really good people want it to last a good while, the reason FPS games are short, is a monkey can master them in 20 minutes and if the story is longer then 8-10 hours no-one will finish it becasue they will be too damn bored to keep going, becasue no matter what ever FPS is ultimately the game thing, you point a gun and kill stuff, all that changes is the background.


this is pointed at people who think that a 15-20 hour expansion si worth nearly the same amount as the original

Mass Effect 2 was also a great expansion. So it is not unreasonable to expect similar value from DAA. 
Bio and EA dropped the ball big time here. It would take some serious DLC and patching to make it even close to being worth the price.  This will certainly provide pause on any future preorders baring the Bioware/EA logo.

grats on the stupid award... Mass Effect 2 was a complete game not an expansion pack....

[worksa8]

@Karmianna I did too- granted I mostly flamed furiously. Same reason others did- in hopes Bioware would listen...Shame they didn't though.

[Karmianna]

Hizoka003 wrote...

Karmianna wrote...

Hizoka003 wrote...

Here are some examples of games that for 50 bucks gave more then 100 hours of gameplay  Baulders Gate, Baulders Gate 2, Final Fantasy 3 - 13, Super Mario Galazy, Super Mario 64, NeverwWinter Nights, Neverwinter Nights 2, The Witcher, Knights of the old Republic, Knights of the Old Republic 2, Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of time, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Mass Effect, Metroid Prime Trilogy, and i am sure there are dozens not listed.


Now if you were a smart person, you would notice that most of thoes games listed were released 5+ years ago. A person with even marginal deductive reasoning skills would be able to surmise that games have been getting shorter and shorter as time goes forward. There are a great many reasons for this, many of which are kids wanting instant gradification rather then building something over time, current games focus more of looking good rather then being good. There is not a seasoned gamer out there that will ever tell you the looks of a game are more important then the game play. Also if the gameplay of a game is really good people want it to last a good while, the reason FPS games are short, is a monkey can master them in 20 minutes and if the story is longer then 8-10 hours no-one will finish it becasue they will be too damn bored to keep going, becasue no matter what ever FPS is ultimately the game thing, you point a gun and kill stuff, all that changes is the background.


this is pointed at people who think that a 15-20 hour expansion si worth nearly the same amount as the original

Mass Effect 2 was also a great expansion. So it is not unreasonable to expect similar value from DAA. 
Bio and EA dropped the ball big time here. It would take some serious DLC and patching to make it even close to being worth the price.  This will certainly provide pause on any future preorders baring the Bioware/EA logo.

grats on the stupid award... Mass Effect 2 was a complete game not an expansion pack....

You are correct.
It was a sequel. I am glad I have you to point out those mistakes. You may go back to coloring now.

[Challseus]

Hizoka003 wrote...

Here are some examples of games that for 50 bucks gave more then 100 hours of gameplay  Baulders Gate, Baulders Gate 2, Final Fantasy 3 - 13, Super Mario Galazy, Super Mario 64, NeverwWinter Nights, Neverwinter Nights 2, The Witcher, Knights of the old Republic, Knights of the Old Republic 2, Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of time, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Mass Effect, Metroid Prime Trilogy, and i am sure there are dozens not listed.

Hmm,  I remember paying $80 for Final Fantasy 6 when it came out in 1994. Rememebr that, SNES games costing $80? Worth every penny...

Yeah... I don't really have a point, just felt like saying that

[xX N7 Xx]

This game doesn't seem to be getting good reviews

[Dam Wookie]

blah blah blah blah blah pedantic nitpicking pointing out the differences between my and your interpretation of the ambiguous English language. Blah blah blah blah blah. Yay I'm on a forum!



DAA should have had better integration with DAO, fewer bugs, and should have been closer to 2/3 rds of the size of DAO. Why? It is what the voices in my head told me, or what my perceptions of what a 2/3 rds priced expansion should be for a game that was supposedly built to accommodate re usable content and modifications.

[Challseus]

mrfoo1 wrote...

Challseus wrote...

Hizoka003 wrote...

Here are some examples of games that for 50 bucks gave more then 100 hours of gameplay  Baulders Gate, Baulders Gate 2, Final Fantasy 3 - 13, Super Mario Galazy, Super Mario 64, NeverwWinter Nights, Neverwinter Nights 2, The Witcher, Knights of the old Republic, Knights of the Old Republic 2, Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of time, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Mass Effect, Metroid Prime Trilogy, and i am sure there are dozens not listed.

Hmm,  I remember paying $80 for Final Fantasy 6 when it came out in 1994. Rememebr that, SNES games costing $80? Worth every penny...

Yeah... I don't really have a point, just felt like saying that

I wish I paid 50 bucks for those games he mentioned.

Actually, now that I think about it, those N64 games (Super Mario 64 & Ocarina of Time) where expensive as hell too, since Nintendo was sticking with cartridges, while everyone moved on to CD's...

I get his point though, not that I agree with it...

[Ahlek Da'Kitar]

***SPOILER WARNING***



I have to agree what most people have posted here. DA:A was indeed too short, especially for the price that I paid for it. I was expecting it to be twice as long as it actually was (about 40 hrs.). It really felt like the last half of the game was extremely rushed. The last part member I picked up, Sigrun (sp?), wasn't even able to partake in the Joining because I was immediately forced to go to Amaranthine. I was also disappointed in the lack of interaction available with the party members (including no romance option).



With that being said, there is some great new stuff available: rune slots for armor, more custom Wade pieces, and even some (not all) of the additional class abilities.



IMHO, I do not believe the expansion was completely worth the whole $40 I paid for it; more like $20. Even though I believe that, I don't really feel 'ripped-off' or 'cheated'. As another person posted, every game company has a hiccup, even Bioware. This doesn't change the fact that I'm a huge fan of theirs (own NWN, KotOR, JE, and ME 1 & 2), but I do hope they take the criticism in this thread and learn from it.



I eagerly look forward to another expansion to DA:O. The ending to DA:A came much too abruptly for this to be the end of the story for the Commander of the Grey, especially since I want to know what happened to Morrigan and the baby.

[mousestalker]

Bio-Boy 3000 wrote...

xX N7 Xx wrote...

This game doesn't seem to be getting good reviews

Expansion tend to be less favoured by the critics out in the media and by those that think they are getting something more than the same.

That and there are a fair number of bugs. And the content seems thin for the money.

If a bug fix comes out and the price drops, I'd recommend buying it. Just don't buy it right now.

[Feelz1976]

I don't mind the length but I have a problem with the quality of the product. It really feels like something they've put together in a hurry just to cash-in on the popularity of origins. For 40$ I expect a polished product, not a game bug ridden with horrible frame rate , graphic clipping, screen tearing and I could go on...

It's like they've done zero testing, got a few people to patch up a story together and voila... here's a new expansion for 40$

And to the people comparing the price with the price of a movie; don't you feel ripped off when the movie completely suck? I have no problem paying 12$ for a good movie or 60$ for a good game but when the movie is crap I feel that it was a waste of 12 bucks and 2 hours of my life. That's how I feel about awakening... the exact same way I feel when I come out of a bad movie.

[L33TDAWG]

I was disappointed with dragon age origins awakening completely... It was short, I beat it in 15 hours, by the time i had wade make vigilance i only had 6 hours to use it, and if you get married to alistair nothing happens it is a queen anora.. and i was hoping you'd find morrigan... also i had anoras father become a warden and he was no where to be found. the ending was horrible too. only one ending period. there was only two major choices also help the father or kill him. Save the keep or the town. it was definetely only worth 20 dollars like most expansions. The fact that you couldn't carry over your DLC crap was BS.

[SozoC2K]

I thought I was the only one that felt like this lol. It started out great, even the only being commanderl of it all was really cool... and some of the concepts they used with that but then I noticed it was about as fleshed out as a child's book. I am almost 10 hours and from the looks of it, I'm almost done. I have done a good deal of side quests, and it really feels like the game is basically almost over. Yes, I know this is an expansion, I am aware is merely expands on the original, but the EXPANSION should not seemingly take content out of what made the original fun.



It really feels they left most the expansion at a "concept" stage. There were a number of things I was really looking forward to doing more then once, then was like, oh that is it... I guess TBH, the whole expansion felt like a really expensive DLC.

[malkum75]

Hmm... I was contemplating the idea of buying the expansion pack but after looking at the price and the hours of play, 8-20 hours max, I will probably wait till it drops in price to let's say $20-25. I heard its a good game but the overall theme of the reviews I have read so far is that it isn't a good value.
Now IMHO about the value of a rpg game is the min hours for a good game should be about 50 hours minimum and that includes replayability etc. Now for $50 / 50 hours we are looking at $1 / hour and anything above the 50 hour line is all gravy. Since the price currently is approx $40.00 it's about $40 / (8  to 20 hours)  $5-$2 an hour which is way higher compared to what I paid for the main game. So for me it's an easy decision to say hell no I'm not going to buy it at that price point. I know for some of you my logic to it may not make any sort of sense but that's what I go by when looking at purchasing games emphasis on games.

Modifié par malkum75, 21 mars 2010 - 06:02 .

[Hizoka003]

i dunno where you guys were buying games, but where i lived no game was over 49.99... i guess the guy at your video store saw you walking in a figured he would take extra money from you