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[Beocat]

swiftfix wrote...

Although I am disappointed that I will not have the opportunity to add the prized "Illium" lithograph to my collection (in one fashion or another), I do understand and respect the decision made by the BioWare Store. Now I just wish something could be done about the unsigned / non-numbered Minuteman Lithograph I won from the BioWare Bazaar .

Thanks for the updates, Jedi.

Lol...I was actually thinking the same thing since my bought litho came unnumbered and unsigned...  it's okay for MM but not Illium?

[Tennyochan]

^they just decided. it'll probably be the case for all unsigned lithos. in the future, except those already given/sold previously in the bazaar, you'll probably still get them.

[hist200066]

BioWareStore Jedi wrote...

Hey Guys - I wanted to update you on the Illium Lithographs. After talking it over with the BioWare team we've decided that we will not be selling any unsigned lithographs. We marketed these as limited edition collector items and selling additional items after something is sold out just doesn't feel like the right thing to do. I apologize for bringing up it, before we had a chance to discuss with the team. We are still going to be releasing the remaining signed and numbered Lithographs on Friday.
J

No worries Jedi. Thanks for all you do to keep us updated.

Any chance you could go back and have the lithographs signed by the artist? There have been other lithographs with print runs of 400 so its not that much of a stretch. And it would be in keeping with the spirit of these being extremely limited signed collector items.

Outside of that what about auctioning off these unsigned lithographs for charity at some point, say like the Dragon Age Child's Play Charity ebay auction. I can't imagine anyone being upset at that. It's just a shame if these Illium lithographs are going to be destroyed when there's still a huge demand for them. I mean just look at the ebay profiteer who recently sold one for $600.

[erik212]

Nooooooooooo... I don't want to have to pay $600 to get the only litho I don't have...

[BioWareStore Jedi]

Also - got an update from the team today. We're working with the art teams for ME2 and DAO to provide 2 lithographs each in June. Still not enough details, but we're making progress.

[iamsaige]

I'm also sad about Illium litho. But I understand the choice made and it makes sense. It's one of the two I'm missing and missed out when released. At least I can get a shot at the other one I'm missing. Guess I'll have to pay a silly price for Illium at some point on ebay.

[Didgeridoo]

BioWareStore Jedi wrote...

Also - got an update from the team today. We're working with the art teams for ME2 and DAO to provide 2 lithographs each in June. Still not enough details, but we're making progress.

June? That's soon! Between this and the DLC coming up, my excitement level is through the roof

I mean, my wallet is crying, but who cares?

[erik212]

Sounds good, now I can redirect the money I would have spent of 2 copies of Illium into the new ones... I wonder what they will be of.

[Dan Matrix]

I'm actually kind of relieved that they decided this, I would have been going for Illium, Citadel and TIM. This hopefully will improve my chances at getting the latter 2 since thats 1 less litho too possibly sell out on me before I can finalize an order.

I missed out on Citadel and TIM because I wasn't watching the store often enough and by the time I realized that new lithos were released, those 2 were sold out.

Modifié par Dan Matrix, 27 mai 2010 - 08:41 .

[Hel]

BioWareStore Jedi wrote...

Also - got an update from the team today. We're working with the art teams for ME2 and DAO to provide 2 lithographs each in June. Still not enough details, but we're making progress.

The possibility of new Dragon Age lithographs turning up at the store might finally be upon us -- huzzah!

[Dsurian]

BioWareStore Jedi wrote...
Also - got an update from the team today. We're working with the art teams for ME2 and DAO to provide 2 lithographs each in June. Still not enough details, but we're making progress.

1) So wait...the theoretical 4 ME2 Litho's that were coming out in May are now the above (2 ME2, 2 DA:O) Litho's - and they got pushed back to June - and there won't be anymore Lithos anytime soon beyond that?  ...or are there now 8 new Litho's coming out in the next month and a half - and that will be the last for a while?

BioWareStore Jedi wrote...
I wanted to update you on the Illium Lithographs. After talking it over with the BioWare team we've decided that we will not be selling any unsigned lithographs. We marketed these as limited edition collector items and selling additionalitems after something is sold out just doesn't feel like the right thing to do. I apologize for bringing up it, before we had a chance to discuss with the team.

2) Who exactly is the 'Bioware Team'?  I mean, is it anyone we would know or could contact?  I get that you, Jedi, are more likely an employee of Treehouse Brand Stores (whoever the hell they are) instead of Bioware...or maybe some go-between for the two companies - but as it doesn't seem to matter, 3) I'm curious if our word matters at all in this particular instance?  I mean, it's obvious that many people here (and elsewhere, likely) still desire the Illium Litho...you have them, even if they're unsigned (which personally, i see no reason why it would be all that complicated to get them signed), so its literally potential profit just sitting in your warehouse...and however many you have, they're still of a limited enough nature for any related excuse to be inconsequential - I mean, you stopped printing them, and there still relatively few in number...4) so how is all this even an issue?

Modifié par Dsurian, 27 mai 2010 - 03:48 .

[Didgeridoo]

Seems to me that the problem is they assigned a number to them- 1/400, or whatever. So if they release any more lithographs than the promised 400, even if they're unsigned, they lied to the people who bought the initial lithos. They would no longer have # 1/400, they would have 1/ however many they decided to release. False advertising, sort of.

[Dsurian]

And if your suggesting the numbers actually matter, I'm gonna go have some fun bashing my head into the nearest wall to relieve myself of the little bit of sanity and intelligence i have left...I'm not saying that they should print a whole bunch more of every other type (which, mind you, is EXACTLY what they did to fulfill the Bazaar) - but since they have these in-stock, and Jedi has already tempted us with them, why not sell them?!?

[modus pwnens]

Saying this as someone who was hoping to get one of the Illium lithographs....

Releasing more prints isn't really fair to the people who already bought them and were told that the print they bought was of a specific limited quantity. I think an argument could be made for releasing the unsigned ones as is, because they already exist, and they are unsigned proofs, rather than part of the numbered set -- but again, that's probably just me rationalizing because I want it. Having them signed would definitely be crossing the line, in my opinion. As would a reprint run, signed or not.

The lithographs aren't expensive, but they aren't cheap, either, and certainly some of their appeal is their limited, collectible nature. If BioWare were to go back on their word (that sounds a little hyperbolic, but you get what I mean), people might be less likely to buy future runs, because hey, BioWare will just release more and devalue it later. That may or may not be worth the few hundred dollars of "pure profit" they are sitting on.

Edit: I'm saying the numbers actually matter. Of course they matter! Scarcity = value. More prints in circulation = less value per print. You're letting your personal sense of entitlement get in the way of logic.

Modifié par modus pwnens, 27 mai 2010 - 03:59 .

[swiftfix]

Dsurian, I think you are overreacting. Let it go.

[quazilogic]

It's clear we're all sorely disappointed about the no sale of Illium, but on the flip side... who's psyched about Citadel tomorrow! Huh, Huh? Jedi, just name the time and we'll all try to be there for sure...some how... some way! I just hope there's enough to go around...

[Dsurian]

modus pwnens wrote...
I'm saying the numbers actually matter. Of course they matter! Scarcity = value. More prints in circulation = less value per print. You're letting your personal sense of entitlement get in the way of logic.

...everything i have said is from the perspective of someone who is NOT interested in Illium (as in, i have no "personal sense of entitlement" in this instance - since pointing that out also apparently means something).

I doubt we're talking about a gross number of reprints here.  There were 300 originally - at most, Jedi's probably talking about another 100 - which won't even surpass other releases in number such as Citadel or TIM (thus, significant change of worth in the Litho or the origonal customers disastisfaction should be a veritable low if anything).  Besides, when someone buys one of these Litho's, only the ebay'ers and Antique Roadshow crazies are likely considering tactile value - its a personal, meaningful value that we fans have for the Litho's we buy.  For instance, 20 years down the road, ME might  be remembered - but if the only reason your buying Litho's now is to sell them for profit later, you're no better than the ebay'ers nowadays (truly, my 271/400 Citadel must seem worthless when compared to a 1/400 Citadel in your eyes, modus).  Then, (lets say) 50 years down the road, it's doubtful that anyone would care about ME - making the Litho's worthless (aside from in the eyes of the fans who bought them, of course) despite any numerical proof of limitedness.

And what about the announcement of selling the few remaining Litho's held back for customer support reasons?  Would the people handing out hundreds of dollars over single Lithos on ebay before the announcement not have similar feelings of discontent over what was a 'legit' re-sale?  I mean, from your perspective, its almost sounding like they should burn any and all Litho's left behind if not for the sake of a relatively pointless numerical scrawl.

Despite your supposed superior logic, modus, i can't help but think how immoral your opinion is.

swiftfix wrote...
Dsurian, I think you are overreacting.

In reference to the head-bashing, probably.  Otherwise, i disagree.

Modifié par Dsurian, 27 mai 2010 - 04:41 .

[RedSinister]

Helekanalaith wrote..

The possibility of new Dragon Age lithographs turning up at the store might finally be upon us -- huzzah!

Agreed. I have been wanting to add some more DA art to my walls.  I hope it involves the party members, or maybe a cityscape. Course a Desire Demon would be most acceptable ;-)

[stardazzled]

Saying this as someone who owns the Illium litho, and with all sympathy for those who don't:

modus pwnens wrote...

Releasing more prints isn't really fair to the people who already bought them and were told that the print they bought was of a specific limited quantity. I think an argument could be made for releasing the unsigned ones as is, because they already exist, and they are unsigned proofs, rather than part of the numbered set -- but again, that's probably just me rationalizing because I want it. Having them signed would definitely be crossing the line, in my opinion. As would a reprint run, signed or not.

Agreed. It's the same with my suitcase LE (different color). I paid extra, had to be extra fast, had to go to a special place to get it (sold in one city worldwide only). I would go soooooo mad when they suddenly popped up on airports like crazy because the color had gone standard. Like those standard grey or black suitcases. Atm, I can identify my luggage in a single moment, and that is exactly why I paid the extra price and went the extra way. With lithographies, I could use the professional print shop next to the university to get the wallpapers enlarged, but official lithos... they are unique. It's not some poster you simply rip off the wall when you're tired of it, lithographies are a statement - to me. And you usually treasure a thing for being limited.

I wouldn't mind a give-away like general raffles (e.g. Bazaar) or convention raffles. Because it's something special, too. And the fuss won't be any greater than now (now: about reprints, then: about a region not included/raffle not accessible to anyone).

@BWS Jedi: (about the new lithographies) Sweet!  - But, please, create a new topic, then.

[SiD the Turtle]

Jedi any update on roughly what time (and timezone) the lithos will go up tomorrow?

[erik212]

Seconding creating a new topic for the next batch of lithos. No Illium is sad, but oh well. I can definitely understand the decision, and I would be mad if I was one of the people who bought one originally. If anything, we should be happy that Bioware cares about the collectible value of the lithos, since I am sure there are plenty of publishers/other people who would prefer to make the extra profit at the cost of their previous customers' happiness.

[SiD the Turtle]

Hmm Afterlife (which was out of stock anyway) and Collectors has disappeared from the art page.

[Didgeridoo]

Eh, nobody was buying the collectors one anyhow.



Didn't look pretty enough, I guess.

[Tennyochan]

Yes make a new thread soon so i can subscribe to the thread, before the long break of no lithos.

Dsurian wrote...
And what about the announcement of selling the few remaining Litho's held back for customer support reasons?  
*snip* 
I mean, from your perspective, its almost sounding like they should burn any and all Litho's left behind if not for the sake of a relatively pointless numerical scrawl.

modus pwnens wrote...
Releasing more prints isn't really fair to the people who already bought them and were told that the print they bought was of a specific limited quantity.

thats exactly why the're not selling the spare/unsigned prints. It doesnt matter how much the unsigned/spare  lithographs are worth in 10, 50 yrs or if the're not signed/even have a number on them or how much money  bioware can make.

There not being sold because the seller and buyer have an agreement they would exchange $29.95 for a limited edition release lithograph. Now if bioware turn around and continue to sell/re-sign spare lithographs it wouldn't be fair to the previous buyers under the previous exchange/agreement. and if someone/everyone-that-purchased-them gets mad, they we're sold something falsely advertised they could take bioware(or whoever) to court.

Now they have previously sold heldback/signed lithographs which is fine, there part of the original lot. So with the issue of those unsigned lithographs recently, they probably just realised this issue and decided to stop selling Illium/future spare lithographs.

It doesn't matter how WE feel that we couldn't get the items after the annoucement or if they burn them or put them up in their offices or if they dont have a "pointless numerical scrawl". The seller has to abide by the previous/advertised agreement.

For instance, there was a concert here titled 'a farewell tour' or a 'Last Time tour'. now everyone bought tickets to this guys concert because they thought it was his last. After the intial tours and 53million dollars richer, he continued to go on tour later in the years. So the consumer watchdog was called to investigate claims of false
advertising where a consumer believes a class action of fans could ask for ticket refunds.

If there is an issue/product defect on an advertised/announced product the seller has a right/obligation to hold the sales of the items...

edit: typos everywhere! im nothing without spellcheck :<

Modifié par tennyochan, 28 mai 2010 - 07:21 .

[EnderGDL]

tennyochan wrote...

Yes make a new thread soon so i can subscribe to the thread, before the long break of no lithos.

Dsurian wrote...
And what about the announcement of selling the few remaining Litho's held back for customer support reasons?  
*snip* 
I mean, from your perspective, its almost sounding like they should burn any and all Litho's left behind if not for the sake of a relatively pointless numerical scrawl.

modus pwnens wrote...
Releasing more prints isn't really fair to the people who already bought them and were told that the print they bought was of a specific limited quantity.

thats exactly why the're not selling the spare/unsigned prints. It doesnt matter how much the unsigned/spare  lithographs are worth in 10, 50 yrs or if the're not signed/even have a number on them or how much money  bioware can make.

There not being sold because the seller and buyer have an agreement they would exchange $29.95 for a limited edition release lithograph. Now if bioware turn around and continue to sell/re-sign spare lithographs it wouldn't be fair to the previous buyers under the previous exchange/agreement. and if someone/everyone-that-purchased-them gets mad, they we're sold something falsely advertised they could take bioware(or whoever) to court.

Now they have previously sold heldback/signed lithographs which is fine, there part of the original lot. So with the issue of those unsigned lithographs recently, they probably just realised this issue and decided to stop selling Illium/future spare lithographs.

It doesn't matter how WE feel that we couldn't get the items after the annoucement or if they burn them or put them up in their offices or if they dont have a "pointless numerical scrawl". The seller has to abide by the previous/advertised agreement.

For instance, there was a concert here titled 'a farewell tour' or a 'Last Time tour'. now everyone bought tickets to this guys concert because they thought it was his last. After the intial tours and 53million dollars richer, he continued to go on tour later in the years. So the consumer watchdog was called to investigate claims of false
advertising where a consumer believes a class action of fans could ask for ticket refunds.

If there is an issue/product defect on an advertised/announced product the seller has a right/obligation to hold the sales of the items...

edit: typos everywhere! im nothing without spellcheck :<

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