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[IssacG0ndel]

I have to apologize for what follows, it's typical fanboy-ranting. That being said, it's typical for a reason. Because I care, because I love what Bioware has to offer - typically - and because it means alot to me. To my whole family, in fact.

I really, really, hope I'm just mis-understanding something, but I think I need to express how big a deal this is.

I just bought Dragon Age Awakening. I figured that it's okay if my Warden is dead, I'll just play as the Orlesian Warden.

Then, I get home, and I read this ...

Aldaris951 wrote...

The orlesian has its own cannon
background "for example alistair will always be king for him" and other
default choices, Anything u do in DA:O is not effected the orlesian
wardens background choices.

Are you honestly telling me that if, for example, I made Anora queen and made the sacrifice, there's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO CONTINUE MY STORY?!

Tell me there's something I'm missing, because it really looks like Bioware just made an expansion EXCLUSIVELY FOR PEOPLE WHO ENDED THE GAME IN A PARTICULAR SET OF WAYS.

What the hell happened to persistent worlds!

Not allowing us to import our world data with a dead warden is one thing, BUT THEN SPECIFICALLY MAKING THE PLAYTHROUGH EXCLUSIVELY FOR ONLY PARTICULAR SEGMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY!

THAT'S THE BIGGEST MIDDLE FINGER IN THE WORLD!

I mean,the alternative is *IN* the game, right? She has to be programmed in there for people whose Alistair is dead, or is gone away "never to be seen again". Or, at least, an option where you never run into them at all.

It's that simple. Obviously you've programmed an alternative in there - but you SPECIFICALLY MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOME OF US TO CONTINUE.

Why not make an expansion only for Warriors? Except let's not advertise it as such, let's have it be a surprise for when you actually play the damn game!!!!!

[Glage]

This was announced a long time ago, and theres a 40 page plus topic complaining about it but yeah I'm annoyed about it too.

[Jagrevi]

Glage wrote...

This was announced a long time ago, and theres a 40 page plus topic complaining about it but yeah I'm annoyed about it too.

There was a giant thread who, at least for the first few pages or so, complained about the situation with importing dead wardens.

Now, maybe it's because I didn't read all 40 pages, but this

ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO CONTINUE OUR STORY, EVEN THROUGH IGNORING BACKSTORY

thing, That's sure as hell pretty new to me.

[overkill373]

you can either import a da:origins char to awakening

or start a new game as an orlesian warden who has a default story made just for him


if you made the ultimate sacrifice in da:origins u can still import that char and continue playing with him (he is brought back to life)

Modifié par overkill373, 17 mars 2010 - 11:11 .

[Pious_Augustus]

IssacG0ndel wrote...

I have to apologize for what follows, it's typical fanboy-ranting. That being said, it's typical for a reason. Because I care, because I love what Bioware has to offer - typically - and because it means alot to me. To my whole family, in fact.

I really, really, hope I'm just mis-understanding something, but I think I need to express how big a deal this is.

I just bought Dragon Age Awakening. I figured that it's okay if my Warden is dead, I'll just play as the Orlesian Warden.

Then, I get home, and I read this ...

Aldaris951 wrote...

The orlesian has its own cannon
background "for example alistair will always be king for him" and other
default choices, Anything u do in DA:O is not effected the orlesian
wardens background choices.

Are you honestly telling me that if, for example, I made Anora queen and made the sacrifice, there's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO CONTINUE MY STORY?!

Tell me there's something I'm missing, because it really looks like Bioware just made an expansion EXCLUSIVELY FOR PEOPLE WHO ENDED THE GAME IN A PARTICULAR SET OF WAYS.

What the hell happened to persistent worlds!

Not allowing us to import our world data with a dead warden is one thing, BUT THEN SPECIFICALLY MAKING THE PLAYTHROUGH EXCLUSIVELY FOR ONLY PARTICULAR SEGMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY!

THAT'S THE BIGGEST MIDDLE FINGER IN THE WORLD!

I mean,the alternative is *IN* the game, right? She has to be programmed in there for people whose Alistair is dead, or is gone away "never to be seen again". Or, at least, an option where you never run into them at all.

It's that simple. Obviously you've programmed an alternative in there - but you SPECIFICALLY MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOME OF US TO CONTINUE.

Why not make an expansion only for Warriors? Except let's not advertise it as such, let's have it be a surprise for when you actually play the damn game!!!!!

I am King and yeah Anora is my Queen and she greets me as such, Choices carry over but how to import your character in can be confusing since you can also bring your dead warden back to life with no explanation other then Bioware saying on the offical FAQ "If you don't care, neither do we"

[Glage]

You can import your dead Warden and pretend he didn't die, you just can't use an Orlesian Warden with the dead Wardens story, thats what the issue is.

[Jagrevi]

But doesn't importing the dead warden actually make reference to how you made the dark bargain instead?

Isn't it basically the same as saying you can go load up an old save and beat the game again "the right way"?

It's not a "being brought back to life" thing, correct?

Modifié par Jagrevi, 17 mars 2010 - 11:17 .

[Jagrevi]

Pious_Augustus wrote...
 "If you don't care, neither do we"

I do ****g care - I really ****g care.

And the fact that Bioware so bluntly doesn't depresses me greately.

[Default137]

There is only one choice that you'll ever see if you didn't import.

And thats who is the ruler of Ferelden.

Less then 25% of the playerbase choose Anora, and if you take the time to figure in how many USers choose Anora, I think its going to be a fairly small number of people actually affected by this, probably less then 3-4% of all USers will have a what the hell moment.

Its not really that big of a deal.

And the Orlesian gets talked down to alot, and you'll hear about the previous warden and his sacrifice somewhat often, and many people will basically insult you, claim you don't care about them, and all sorts of other things, its very unwelcoming, somewhat like the City Elf in Origins.

And the "if you don't care" statement was applied to bringing a dead Warden back to life, something they did to be nice to the people who only had one character who they killed, but wanted to keep playing, its a choice, not something you have to do.

Modifié par Default137, 17 mars 2010 - 11:21 .

[dirftglass]

This is bull****.



It's not that you can't make an Orlesian Warden that pays attention to how the story was established with your dead warden.



IT'S THAT IF THAT'S THE GODAMN CASE, THEN THE ORLESIAN WARDEN'S STORY SHOULDN'T BE REFERENCING ANY OF THAT STUFF OF AT ALL! OR AT LEAST IT SHOULD GIVE YOU A PROMPT FIRST SO YOU CAN INFORM THE GAME WHICH ONE IT IS.



Bioware, honestly, it really looks like you INTENTIONALLY gave a big "f.u." to a sizeable portion of your community here.

[dirftglass]

Less then 25% of the playerbase choose Anora, and if you take the time to figure in how many USers choose Anora, I think its going to be a fairly small number of people actually affected by this, probably less then 3-4% of all USers will have a what the hell moment.

Its not really that big of a deal.

Excuse me, I'm a dead Warden who has Anora as a leader, and I think it's a pretty big damn deal.

And where the hell are these numbers coming from? And how are you going from 25% to 3-4% of USers.

[Bibdy]

Oh yes, nevermind the potential that it was a mistake, or sadly, had to be omitted due to time constraints. Bioware devs intentionally wanted to put out a product that sent a big middle finger to their fanbase. It all makes perfect sense, now.

Watch out for the next expansion, Dragon Age: All Player Characters Must Die.

Modifié par Bibdy, 17 mars 2010 - 11:26 .

[Chris Priestly]

You have 2 choices when you play Dragon Age: Origins Awakening.

One - You can continue "your" story. Import the saved game/character with the story variables you set and play that way.
Two - Start a new character (the Orlesian warden) with a new story/background that is appropraite to that character.

To say that 25% cannot play the game is overstating the issue. You can play, but you play with teh backstory as set by the design team. Again, if you want any of "your" story elements to be present, import your character and play that playthrough.

[dirftglass]

Bibdy wrote...

Oh yes, nevermind the potential that it was a mistake, or sadly, had to be omitted due to time constraints. Bioware devs intentionally wanted to put out a product that sent a big middle finger to their fanbase.

Complete and egregious apathy is a middle-finger. They didn't go out of their way to do it, but they certainly seem to be doing it out of apathy - in the same sense that I don't have to go out of my way to "not try to stop my car" when I'm about to run over someone's cat.

It's insult through apathy, inaction, and complete inconsideration, if that's even a word.

[dirftglass]

I want to be respectful since you bothered to post in here, so please read this in as respectful a tone as possible...

Chris Priestly wrote...

To say that 25% cannot play the game is overstating the issue.

I think that's just assuming 50/50 on sacrifice or not, and 50/50 on Anora or Alistair. Perhaps that's not exactly how people chose, but if you tell people who say

Hey! Everyone overhere doesn't have a liferaft, and we're like 25% of the population"

that "That's overstating it - you're only like 10%". That doesn't come off well. That really comes off like you don't care.

Chris Priestly wrote...
 Again,
if you want any of "your" story elements to be present, import your
character and play that playthrough.

But the game won't let me do that without altering my backstory, since I'm dead, which makes  the whole thing moot to begin with! I'm not even "brought back to life", there's no explanation, not even a black screen with one plain text-paragraph saying "and then some wizards brought you back to life". No, it's going back and changing my actual backstory - they very thing we're talking about preserving.

[Jagrevi]

dirftglass wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

To say that 25% cannot play the game is overstating the issue.

I
think that's just assuming 50/50 on sacrifice or not, and 50/50 on
Anora or Alistair. Perhaps that's not exactly how people chose, but if
you tell people who say

Hey! Everyone overhere doesn't have a liferaft, and we're like 25% of the population"

that "That's overstating it - you're only like 10%". That doesn't come off well. That really comes off like you don't care.

I have to agree, that's more than a little insulting.

Chris Priestly wrote...

Two - Start a new character (the Orlesian warden) with a new story/background that is appropraite to that character.

To say that 25% cannot play the game is overstating the issue. You can play, but you play with teh backstory as set by the design team. Again, if you want any of "your" story elements to be present, import your character and play that playthrough.

Hold up - our stories (Anora being the queen)  ... "aren't appropriate"? But their appropriate for non-Orlesian Wardens? Alistair HAS TO be the ruler for an Orlesian Warden? Really?

Honestly, pretend that everyone who lived in, oh I don't know, Ohio, had one of the companion's face just green. You'd fix that, right? And that's a far smaller % then the dead wardens with Anora. And it a far less game-breaking problem than this.

So honestly, what's so wrong with making the game so that everyone can play it in their backstory? How horrible would that patch or DLC be to implement - the "Anora is the leader" programming is already in the game, you just forgot to offer that to us!

[IssacG0ndel]

Jagrevi wrote...
Hold up - our stories (Anora being the queen)  ... "aren't appropriate"? But their appropriate for non-Orlesian Wardens? Alistair HAS TO be the ruler for an Orlesian Warden? Really?

Honestly, pretend that everyone who lived in, oh I don't know, Ohio, had one of the companion's face just green. You'd fix that, right? And that's a far smaller % then the dead wardens with Anora. And it a far less game-breaking problem than this.

So honestly, what's so wrong with making the game so that everyone can play it in their backstory? How horrible would that patch or DLC be to implement - the "Anora is the leader" programming is already in the game, you just forgot to offer that to us!

Hold up. This is already considered a "problem", correct?

Are you implying that they don't already even have intention to fix it?

[Jenocide]

not sure how a dead person could come back to life. (unless your a zombie) but if you wanna import him or her import a save before the last boss fight.

[Jagrevi]

IssacG0ndel wrote...

Hold up. This is already considered a "problem", correct?

Are you implying that they don't already even have intention to fix it?

I'm assuming you mean this kind of rhetorically. No, of course not. At least based on the attitude we keep hearing, no.

Chris was nice enough to actually post in thread, but what do we get?

Us: "We can't continue our game with the Orlesian Warden, because it completely contradicts."

Them: "You don't have to play the Orlesian Warden, you can import your dead character".

Us: "We can't import our dead character, because it changes what our ending was, and completely contradicts"

Them: "Well, you don't have to play as your old Warden, you can always be the Orlesian Warden"

Us: "We're like a quarter of the community right? Chose B on questions 1 and 2? We can't even play the game!"

Them: "Eh, you're not really THAT much. Certainly not enough to care about".

Us: "But you realize this is a problem right?"

Them: "The design team did what they felt was appropriate, which does not include making it work with your game."

Us: "So after promising us a persistent world, us buying your game on this promise, you don't think it's a big deal when you completely fail on this in a very obvious way that would be incredibly easy to fix?"

Them: "That's how the design team wanted it. They think it's a better story if it doesn't continue from YOUR story. The other players' work better".

[Jagrevi]

Honestly, what I would like is just an actual explanation from Chris or any other official source, on why the inability to continue our stories does not outweigh the cost it would take to patch or even paid-dlc in a black screen with plain text that asks us "IS ANORA OR ALISTAIR THE REGENT"?



Is completely alienating part of the community, no matter "how much less than 25%" we are, really worth saving the effort of patching in something so simple?



Surely the PR difference alone is worth it.

[angj57]

I agree that it seems to have been a poor choice-- it would be much better to import the world state and start with an orlesian warden then be able to import a dead character and have him be brought back to life. But seriously guys, if you care this much about the game I assume you have multiple playthroughs. right? Just import from a game where your character didn't die.

[Chris Priestly]

I did not mean to imply that any percent of players being unhappy was fine with me, I meant that you could play it. You may personally choose to have probblems with the story set or importing a dead character or whatever, and I am not dismissing your concern, I am saying that you CAN play it. There are people who do cannot as it is not released yet where they live. There are people who cannot for whatever techinical issue that may have.

You CAN play it, you are choising not to. That is what I meant. If I were the mean and nasty fella everyone thinks, I would have changed the title of the thread to "WTH! Did BioWare really just make an expansion that I choose not to play for story reasons!", but that would have been wrong.

Now, as to the back story as set by the Devs, yes. That is what the Dev team does. They create the story and the lore for the game. In the same way that in DAO we set your origin stories, we set the origin story for the Orlesian warden. While I understand you may dissagree and want "your" story choices for the Orlesian wardens origin, this is not the case. In the same way that you chould not choose the "what happened before" in your origins in DAO. This is the same for DAA. Again, if you want whoever to be king or queen, who lived or died, etc you can choose to import a save and continue that story.

[Chalmes]

well look at it this way, bioware design team cares less of the players and what they want and as far as bioware goes they care less too, all they want is you to First fork out cash for the DLC"s then bring out an expansion that cost you $40.00 dollars on top of the DLC you paid for and only one dlc carries over and thats return to ostagar,(is what i hear and understanding) so now your out of the cost of the DLC's you paid for that IS NOT carried over and now no good and cant use with awakening, BAMM money lost-bioware gains then expansion, BAMM bioware wins again, BUT dont get me wrong i love the games just hate the company and they way they operate. Ill keep playing there games just cause im a gamer but ill would never refer bioware to anyone, my friends or famliy.

Modifié par Chalmes, 18 mars 2010 - 12:02 .

[dirftglass]

angj57 wrote...

But seriously guys, if you care this much about the game I assume you have multiple playthroughs. right?

Uh, no.

I care about this game enough that I have a cannon. I actually care about what happened when I played the game, I don't go and play it a different way.