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Shavon wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Of course I love this thread! It is practically canon for all my games to have Female Shepard. Except for one. Anyway . . .

Female Shepard Launch Trailer!


Epic.

Simply epic. :wub:

Godwood, I remember you from the old boards!  They need to have female trailers for the ME3 marketing, imo.  Do you guys have a group or something?


Group? Dunno anything about starting one up, if that's what you mean. I started this thread after thinking about what to say for a few days now. It was just something that had to be said.

But yeah, they should definitely have female Shepard trailers for ME3.

Modifié par Goodwood, 18 mars 2010 - 12:17 .


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No

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You still might be able to open it up and clean it out. If you're at all confident, see if you can find a youtube or written how-to guide.

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The Female Launch Trailer is indeed epic.... And one nice thing about having the collectors Edition is the promo video that showcase BOTH Meer and Hale.



I thought Meer was unfairly judged the first time around as Hale is a VA with a LOT of experience. It would not be hyperbole to ask -- how good would YOu look stepping on stage with Meryl Streep if you've been doing School Plays up until that moment?



I think he does much better this time around especially with the Renegade lines which sounded a little forced in ME1. Now he sounds a little more Han Solo-ish which is a consequence of the writing and his relaxing and having more fun with the material.


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Femshep is a hero all right...in the kitchen lol



J/K my main Shep is a beautiful olive skinned Femshep who will stomp on your nuts if you cross her.

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They should have both Shepards on the Front cover of the new ME 3 game. This would make it worth everyone's while. Yes we know this is shepards story and yes we know shepard is male and he is female. They should show male shepard split with female shepard on the front art cover. Just across a face this way you know the universe is interconnected. I like my male shepards, because I'm male, but I also like my female shepard, because I get tired of looking at the males azz running around on screen all day long and I'm also a hopeless romantic in the end so watching a female I create get romanced by kaiden is magic in my eyes. Some guys wrote on the Ign article he only kept his female shepard for himself which I think he needs a therapist.



When it comes down to the nitty gritty. We need both. I would definitely like to see a woman best one of the other female characters on the cover art. Plus it might get some of the guys girl friends to get off there azz and leave then alone about playing the game because they might start playing it themselves. hehe. Then you start having arguments over the game console. lol.

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BHRamsay wrote...

The Female Launch Trailer is indeed epic.... And one nice thing about having the collectors Edition is the promo video that showcase BOTH Meer and Hale.

I thought Meer was unfairly judged the first time around as Hale is a VA with a LOT of experience. It would not be hyperbole to ask -- how good would YOu look stepping on stage with Meryl Streep if you've been doing School Plays up until that moment?

I think he does much better this time around especially with the Renegade lines which sounded a little forced in ME1. Now he sounds a little more Han Solo-ish which is a consequence of the writing and his relaxing and having more fun with the material.


Well...

I've done college-level theatre, both in regards to taking college courses in acting and performing in three stage plays (they said I was good, heh). Though I've never done actual voiceover work, one of the plays I did involved an offscreen radio announcement, and I was able to replicate the famous BBC-style genteel British accent quite convincingly. While I'm probably no Keith David, Phil LeMarr, or Dwight Schultz, I'm fairly certain that I could do a decent enough job as a voice actor.

That said, a good actor can make subpar material shine (Harrison Ford as Han Solo, if you count his numerous ad libs), while a bad actor can turn good dialogue into absolute rubbish (Hayden Christenson, in either AotC or RotS). It also comes down to the directior(s); some actors need the assistance of a good director to get the most out of the material and their own talents (according to one interview, Jennifer Hale is one such person), while others can react badly to too much direction. At the same time, certain rare character actors are so good that they can eat glass and crap diamonds, regardless of the script or direction.

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I must say...

I <3 FemShep!!!

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Love the launch trailer, and I agree with all of the pro-FemShep statements... Maybe we could convince them to do a reversable cover. One side with male shep and the other with femme. ^~



MaleShep was definitely better than ME1, but Jennifer Hale still comes out on top (not counting conversations with Jacob...)



Just the strength of the character wins me over with my FemShep, since shes the Survivor of Akuze, rather than the Butcher of Torfan. The strangest thing I find is seeing a FemShep with a different face than mine... kinda the same with MaleShep. Just odd hearing that voice come out of a different head. XD

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Most of my FemSheps are Colonists with either the Sole Survivor or War Hero profile. I've only actually imported one Shepard so far, a Colonist/War Hero infiltrator named Kiria. She's pretty good-looking, too, if I may say...and maybe I'll post a picture.

I'm not sure if I'm going to import any others -- I tried to start a "fresh" female character in ME2 but the preselected choices made me want to start over ASAP. Maybe in a few months I'll start a new ME1 character to take through to the second game.

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I'd rather have a male canon Shep.  Boys should be taught to be strong leaders, and not male feminists. :P

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You could just look at masseffectsaves.com for a shepard you want (assuming you're on PC) ... and download the ME1 save file (for import purposes), and masseffect2faces.com to find a look for her.



Me, I may think female shepard > male shepard, but I don't mind the canon being what it is.

It's not like meer will be voicing graphic novels, and sheploo actually looks ok on print.



Inside a mass effect game, I have my custom male and female sheps.

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Goodwood wrote...
Group? Dunno anything about starting one up, if that's what you mean. I started this thread after thinking about what to say for a few days now. It was just something that had to be said.

But yeah, they should definitely have female Shepard trailers for ME3.


Ahem.

*points at her sig*

I've already started up a Jane Shepard group (which is also listed in the sticky at the top, I might add), no need to split us over more than one group.

:D

I've been thinking about what to post on the main forums about this for a while too, but it seems like you beat me to it, Goodwood.

Bioware have maintained for quite a while now that there is no canon Shepard. Sadly, excluding Jane from the promotional materials for ME2 kind of gives lie to that.

I don't think we should get rid of Sheploo at all, I just think Janeshep needs more of a presence. Especially since Jane is one of those few female protagonists who aren't portayed with breasts the size of melons, and scantily clad.

Modifié par Zandilar, 18 mars 2010 - 04:28 .


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I like female Shepard's voice better than male, but I thought they both did a good job.

I don't mind that the "main character" in the series (promotional) is a guy. Usually when I play video games, I tend to like the male characters better. Most of the female characters are either :
(1) ****ty (Samara- could they make her boobs stick out anymore?! I actually like her personality and back story too, but her boobs are annoying.)
(2) stupid
(3) damsel in distress

Edit:
and now this thread has got the song: she's a lady by tom jones stuck in me head

Modifié par AliceTheGiraffe, 18 mars 2010 - 04:35 .


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Shavon wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Of course I love this thread! It is practically canon for all my games to have Female Shepard. Except for one. Anyway . . .

Female Shepard Launch Trailer!


Epic.

Simply epic. :wub:

Godwood, I remember you from the old boards!  They need to have female trailers for the ME3 marketing, imo.  Do you guys have a group or something?

OI! He's not GodWood, I am Image IPB
This GodWood however also does support the idea of FemShep getting more marketing attention in ME3 though.

Modifié par GodWood, 18 mars 2010 - 07:03 .


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I approve of this topic, and once again state there is no canon.
The default mascot is not canon and never will be. BioWare understand that. BioWare's marketing department on the other hand don't, and need to get it into their thick heads the FemShep has every right to the spotlight ManShep does.

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Sorry but Hale's voice acting is NOT much better than Meer's. Equal, maybe slightly better, depending on what kinda dialogue, but let's not exaggerate here.



How are male protagonists boring? That's an opinion.



You know what I find boring? A FORCE feminine protagonist. I personally can't stand it when they force heroism or a heroine. If it fits.it fits.



For example; I find Hale's voice acting as Shepard to be full of forced masculinity, and the whole time it just gives me the feeling that she is trying way, way to hard to make Shepard sound strong.



Does this mean I don't think femshep deserves attention? Absolutely not. She does.



By that I mean there should be a canon femshep. A real Jane Shepard, not just a computer generated face.



But you don't to attack male protagonists, or Meer's voice acting simply to further your own agenda.

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KainrycKarr wrote...
But you don't to attack male protagonists, or Meer's voice acting simply to further your own agenda.


I agree. Whether or not you like Mark Meer's voice acting is completely subjective. I, personally, don't like his voice - for some reason I find it abrasive. But that's just me and my ears. :)

So lets just set that aside, as it has little to do with this topic (even though the OP made it an issue, just take it as read that "in my opinion" prefaces those bits in his post).

One of the things that frustrated me about the ME2 promos was the whole "this band of brothers" angle the trailers took. Umm... Bioware? Tali, Miranda, Jack, and Jane all wish to lodge a protest! ;) (Not to mention Liara, Ashley, and Kelly!)

I should also point out that in an interview, Jennifer Hale has said she'd like to see more Jane Shepard too! (You can find the interview here, the relevant comment is at ~02:45.)

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KainrycKarr wrote...

For example; I find Hale's voice acting as Shepard to be full of forced masculinity, and the whole time it just gives me the feeling that she is trying way, way to hard to make Shepard sound strong.


Shepard is strong, and has been to hell and back.
You should perhaps try not to associate strength of character with masculinity, that too is a stereotype.

By the way I'm an exclusive FemShep player, but I don't hate ManShep or Meer, though I consider Meer dull in comparison. But only because I get the feeling he's been told to. Meer can deliver the goods on many characters (Biotic God!!1one).
Hell I'll fight for the rights of custom ManShep as well as FemShep over the tyranny of Sheploo. Well, over-dramatic but you get the idea.

Modifié par The Angry One, 18 mars 2010 - 09:11 .


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The Angry One wrote...

I approve of this topic, and once again state there is no canon.
The default mascot is not canon and never will be. BioWare understand that. BioWare's marketing department on the other hand don't, and need to get it into their thick heads the FemShep has every right to the spotlight ManShep does.


QFT.

I paid out for the CE in part because I greatly preferred the stylish, neutral cover art to the Sheploo group pose on the standard edition. However, I pull my tin from the slip case only to find myself confronted by... Sheploo! :blink:

I know BW have invested a great deal to use the likeness, but when we can't even use the CE to escape him... I do feel as if I'm being thoroughly beaten over the head.

Modifié par The Uncanny, 18 mars 2010 - 12:22 .


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Hope this works.  I don't always get the little [ ] things right.

Goodwood wrote...

Back on the old BioWare forums, I was a big advocate of female Shepard over male Shepard, and for a plethora of reasons beyond their voices. But, to be frank (and to get that argument out of the way), Hale's performance is just orders of magnitude better than Meer's, whose charactarization has all the charisma of a tin can. That's just the most obvious argument, and like Samara says, if there are three humans in a room, there will be six opinions.


I love Hale's performance but I have to say that I am starting to like Meer's voice acting for my male Shepard.  I've even started noticing some tonal changes when he's talking to different NPC's and he's just the voice of my male Shedpards so I'm used it it.  And I agree - get six people in a room and you will have six opinions.  :)

Moving right along, there are two very improtant reasons why, I feel, that a female Shepard should be embraced as a "canon" protagonist..


In ME1  I was really hoping for a cover like they have done in the past  without the main charcter on it.   I perfered what they did with KOTOR  or Neverwinter Nights.   I didn't want either Shepard on the cover and if they had to do it I wanted both of them.  Something to show that you could play either sex just by looking at the cover and reading the description.  As much as I'd like to see Fem Shep acknowled I doubt if they will change it for ME3. 

1. There are, already, far too many masculine heroes and main protagonists out there not only in video game land, but in other media such as literature, television, and film. This is, obviously, an artifact of most human societies being dominated by the male ethos; only within the last few decades have females come into their own as plot-centered characters in mass media. The Mass Effect games, so far, give a real sense of how a woman is just as capable of being such a driving force as any man out there, and demonstrates the value of diversity.


I agree.  But unfortunately, untill we get some more game developers including some women, who have the same type of vision as Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk willing to make the games showing women as capable as her male counter part, I'm not sure it will happen very often.  Which is why I've bought more BioWare games than any other company. 

2. Girls and young women need more strong female role-models, both fictitious and real, and a female Shepard can be lauded as being such a role-model. Given the interactive nature of the Mass Effect games and how a player can imprint their own personality onto their chosen avatar -- even more so, given the possibility of molding Shepard to appear as a self-portrait of sorts -- this drives the point home even further. A female Shepard shows that standing tall against long odds is something that anyone can do if they have the gumption.


I agree with the idea of this, and would like to see some games for the under 16 group something like The Legend of Zelda with Zelda being able to save herself and her kingdom.  :)   I played video games with my step-daughter when she will younger and tried to make sure at least some of the games had a female that didn't faint or need to be rescued even if she wasn't the main character.  Shining Force and Chrono Trigger were her favorites. 


To sum it all up, male protagonists are boring and staid. It's time to change things up by showing that women are just as capable of saving civilization as men are, without suffering any of the stereotypes so commonly (and unfortunately) applied to women today.

Oh, and before anyone asks, I am a thirty year old man with a progressive point of view.


I don't find all male protagonists boring, but I'm all for change and showing that women can save the world, and probably help destroy it  too.  :P  and so they know.  I'm a  59 year old female who hopes someday we will travel to the stars and there will be women like Shepard doing some of the exploring. 


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arek_celera wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

2. Girls and young women need more strong female role-models, both fictitious and real, and a female Shepard can be lauded as being such a role-model. Given the interactive nature of the Mass Effect games and how a player can imprint their own personality onto their chosen avatar -- even more so, given the possibility of molding Shepard to appear as a self-portrait of sorts -- this drives the point home even further. A female Shepard shows that standing tall against long odds is something that anyone can do if they have the gumption.


While I prefer femsheps for a number of reasons, I'm not sure I'd want my daughters idolizing the Butcher of Torfan.


Are you sure that's who they would pick?  Maybe they would want to idolize the Hero of Elysium.  But if your saying young girls shouldn't be playing, I agree. 

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Goodwood wrote...

To sum it all up, male protagonists are boring and staid. It's time to change things up by showing that women are just as capable of saving civilization as men are, without suffering any of the stereotypes so commonly (and unfortunately) applied to women today.

A while ago I've started a poll about playing MaleShep or FemShep. The reasons that people give to play one or the other are true for them. I don't think the FemShep players seem to be hindered by any stereotypes to make the choice of playing as a female character. FemShep is rather popular. Some of them want BioWare to improve some FemShep aspects (like character animation and customization). At least that's what I read a lot on these forums. Thanks to BioWare my FemShep already saved the galaxy on a number of occasions. She seems very capable already.

So, I scratch my head a bit about what this topic is really about.

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Shavon wrote...

Of course I love this thread! It is practically canon for all my games to have Female Shepard. Except for one. Anyway . . .

Female Shepard Launch Trailer!


This was amazing!!  I'm sending the link to my step-daughter and all my friends.  Thanks for sharing.

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Goodwood wrote...

Most of my FemSheps are Colonists with either the Sole Survivor or War Hero profile. I've only actually imported one Shepard so far, a Colonist/War Hero infiltrator named Kiria. She's pretty good-looking, too, if I may say...and maybe I'll post a picture.

I'm not sure if I'm going to import any others -- I tried to start a "fresh" female character in ME2 but the preselected choices made me want to start over ASAP. Maybe in a few months I'll start a new ME1 character to take through to the second game.


I wanted to see what the "fresh" start was like and then got rid of it immediately.  I've got something like 6 or 7 I could import but I'm also thinking about starting one in ME1 to import.  I didn't realize most of my saves were so alike.