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[Lalandrathon]

Oh shut up.

[Goodwood]

Lalandrathon wrote...

Oh shut up.

*snerk*

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

Bachuck, I hate to say it, but there is a lot more to marketing than you think there is. Not that I'm an expert (though I did work for a couple of years at a marketing concern), but I do know that a significant percentage of folks base their video game choices on what they see in the store while looking at the box. Of that group, many don't even bother to check things out on the internets either before or after said purchase. This is why so much effort is put into making the box for a video game; developers and especially publishers are acutely aware of how the minds of most impulse buyers work. I, and others, just happen to feel that EA missed an opportunity to increase sales by doing things such as putting a female Shepard on the package alongside a male Shepard, leaving Shepard off the box entirely (a la KotOR I's box art), and/or making alternate promotional videos depicting the default FemShep.

That's just about all I got to say to you in this regard. Reply if you must, but don't expect any further responses from me.

[GodWood]

Bachuck wrote...

GodWood wrote...

I could make this long but I won't, that'd be pointless.

Straight up, there is no canon Shepard, the default Shepard is not the real Shepard, he exists soley as a recogniseable face for the ME trilogy (marketing purposes) the default ME2 choices are not the REAL choices, they are for new gamers who want to play the game without being confused.
You know why?
Bioware said so, the creators of the game.
Want further proof?
Never in any of the other merchandise (the 2 books, the 3 comics and the iphone game) have they specifically mentioned Shepard's looks, gender, choices, romances or alignment because they didn't want to take away players choices.
How do I know this?
Bioware have said so. 

(Oh and a Mass Effect movie is the most fail idea ever, especially if it was based on the trilogy)

I'll make this even shorter.

Currently there's no canon Shep in regards to decisions we make in the game, this is true. When the right film deal presents itself, Bioware will need to supply the filmmakers with a story bible as reference. You better believe Shepard will have a canon history because no company wants to hear that Bioware can't supply the necessary information because some vocal gamers think the idea is the "most fail idea ever".

Your basing your whole stance on the assumption that their will be a ME movie, which is simply foolish.

Its like you haven't ever seen a movie based off a videogame.

[The Angry One]

It doesn't matter if they make a movie or not.

If they make a movie with some Shepard, then that Shepard will be canon FOR THAT MOVIE and nothing else.

Sorry to burst your bubble there.

[Destructo-Bot]

Red-headed femsheps unite?

[Bachuck]

Goodwood wrote...

Bachuck, I hate to say it, but there is a lot more to marketing than you think there is.

Considering I'm in film marketing, I'm sure I know more about it than you, but if your feeble attempt to make me seem like a amateur makes you feel superior, continue

Goodwood wrote...
That's just about all I got to say to you in this regard. Reply if you must, but don't expect any further responses from me.

It's hilarious, you never addressed my questions. You just continued talking the same nonsense about how marketing and development are separate, even though in this case both are housed under the same roof. You created a thread for a purpose, can't really justify said purpose and now you're retreating like a coward instead of having a conversation.

If that's the kind of progressive thinking women in America would employed, they never would have gained the right to vote, earn equal wages, etc., but hey, progress your way onward tiny dancer.

GodWood wrote...

Your basing your whole stance on the
assumption that their will be a ME movie, which is simply foolish.

Its
like you haven't ever seen a movie based off a videogame.../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png

Has nothing to do with a possible film version. It's based on the fact that Bioware have used the same Shepard since 2005. You have quite a talent to quote a post but not actually read it.

The Angry One wrote...

It doesn't matter if they make a
movie or not.
If they make a movie with some Shepard, then that
Shepard will be canon FOR THAT MOVIE and nothing else.
Sorry to burst
your bubble there.

Let me burst yours since you obviously know nothing about how the real world works.

No one in the real world gives a damn about your femsheps. Bioware have consistently promoted Shepard as being male. If a film company puts up millions of dollars to finance a film, they're going to want the adventures of a recognizable Shepard and they're not going to give a damn about your feelings either.

Destructo-Bot wrote...

Red-headed femsheps unite?

Oh god, please no. Your collective femsheps are ugly enough. Let's not add more.

Modifié par Bachuck, 20 mars 2010 - 01:14 .

[yummysoap]

o hai gais. I play Vanderlooian manshep. I also love Mark Meer's voice acting. I'm practically the anti-christ in this thread.



You all rock on with your femsheps, though. One of the main selling features of the Mass Effect series was to create your own Shepard to look and play however you want. I don't know why other people have trouble accepting that.



A film that dictates a "default" Shepard would suck balls and be a massive fuck you to all its players that choose to go against the Vanderloo grain. I'd only ever watch it so I could be angry at it, and Bioware's well aware how many people they'd end up pissing off.

[OneBadAssMother]

Oy! My wife has a FemShepard.

[The Angry One]

Bachuck wrote...

Let me burst yours since you obviously know nothing about how the real world works.

No one in the real world gives a damn about your femsheps. Bioware have consistently promoted Shepard as being male. If a film company puts up millions of dollars to finance a film, they're going to want the adventures of a recognizable Shepard and they're not going to give a damn about your feelings either.

How does this change the simple fact that any movie's Shepard would only be canon for that movie and have absolutely no bearing on the game?
That's right. It doesn't. Fail more please.

Oh god, please no. Your collective femsheps are ugly enough. Let's not add more.

[Landline]

And in this thread we have people trying to say that their opinion is better then the other peoples opinions using arbitrary evidence based on opinions.

[Goodwood]

yummysoap wrote...

o hai gais. I play Vanderlooian manshep. I also love Mark Meer's voice acting. I'm practically the anti-christ in this thread.

You all rock on with your femsheps, though. One of the main selling features of the Mass Effect series was to create your own Shepard to look and play however you want. I don't know why other people have trouble accepting that.

A film that dictates a "default" Shepard would suck balls and be a massive fuck you to all its players that choose to go against the Vanderloo grain. I'd only ever watch it so I could be angry at it, and Bioware's well aware how many people they'd end up pissing off.

You're not the anti-christ of this thread, mate, it's all good (aside from the fact that I myself am atheist). Glad you support our stance against a "default" Shepard.

[JamieCOTC]

My 2 cents. I only have two Shepards and they are both female. I love Jennifer Hale's voice, (no disrespect to Meer), as I find her a bit better on Paragon. I support this thread and support the betterment of female protagonists in popular media. That said, getting any kind of acknowledgment from Bioware on femShep is just chasing windmills. If chasing windmills is your thing, more power to you and I wish you the best of luck. As for me, I know what MY Shepard looks like and she isn't the guy in the trailer, but that's okay. (but yes, the femShep trailer is epic).

[Destructo-Bot]

Bachuck wrote...
Oh god, please no. Your collective femsheps are ugly enough. Let's not add more.

The door is that way --->

Never could make sense of people coming into threads that they don't want to contribute to.

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 20 mars 2010 - 08:22 .

[Llandaryn]

Zandilar wrote...


@AngryFrozenWater and @Llandaryn

Did you see the trailers for Mass Effect 2? Jane Shepard was no where to be seen. It was typical "Hide Your Women" fare, because not even the female NPCs made appearances.

Now that you mention it, no I didn't. I pre-ordered the game 10 months in advance, forgot about it, then ordered another copy when I heard it was about to be released. So now here's me with 2 copies of the game, not caring about what gender my Shepard is or what the trailer looks like.

Though I admit, I am within the kooky minority.

[mopotter]

[quote]Llandaryn wrote...

[quote]Zandilar wrote...


@AngryFrozenWater and @Llandaryn

Did you see the trailers for Mass Effect 2? Jane Shepard was no where to be seen. It was typical "Hide Your Women" fare, because not even the female NPCs made appearances.

[/quote]

Now that you mention it, no I didn't. I pre-ordered the game 10 months in advance, forgot about it, then ordered another copy when I heard it was about to be released. So now here's me with 2 copies of the game, not caring about what gender my Shepard is or what the trailer looks like.

Though I admit, I am within the kooky minority.


[/quote

I pre orderd because the devs assured us we would be happy with the RPG elements and we would have a female Shepard to play.  :P    I trust them.  I would not have bought it otherwise. 

When I buy a BioWare game I expect certain things.  Choice is one of them.  When they no longer offer these choices I'll no longer be a customer.  Since I don't expect that to happen any time soon,  I'll probably just be dead and of course then I won't care.  But I think marketing wise they were wrong.  Showing choice would not have stopped men who wnat to play Male Shepard from buying the game.  Not showing Female Sheparde did possibly stop some women from buying the game.  May not have been many, but at $50+ a game, it would add up.

JMO  :)

[Zandilar]

Bachuck wrote...
Let me explain something to you - if a person uses the term "African American", it probably means they're talking about black people from AMERICA. Not about anyone from the UK, Jamaica or anywhere else that isn't AMERICA. Have you ever heard a black person born and raised outside of the USA refer to themselves as African American? I haven't, so when I said African Americans in my earlier post, that's precisely the specific group of black people I was referring to.

I clearly misread something you wrote. I'm sorry for that.

[Dark Glasses]

Is it wrong if I like both MaleShep & FemShep equally? Or Am I supposed to hate the other one?

[Nynaeve]

I support Femshep for sure...whats with some of the hostility folks? If you don't like Femshep then don't frequent a thread dedicated to her...simple huh? though trolls will troll

[Goodwood]

Dark Glasses wrote...

Is it wrong if I like both MaleShep & FemShep equally? Or Am I supposed to hate the other one?

Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks, mate. <_<

I personally don't "hate" MaleShep, I just prefer FemShep for the reasons listed in the original post. Hate is such a strong word, and it's a pity that it gets thrown out so much.

Just my two kopecks.

Modifié par Goodwood, 20 mars 2010 - 11:02 .

[Chaos-fusion]

Dark Glasses wrote...

Is it wrong if I like both MaleShep & FemShep equally? Or Am I supposed to hate the other one?

I am absolutely with you on that. I cannot hate either. But being female myself, and love having strong women as main characters (not tag-alongs with a great rack) makes me feel I should show suppoft for all the femsheps out there.

So, woo for female Sheperds!

[aznsoisauce]

I support the missed opportunity that is Jane Shepard.

And Bachuck needs to shut the **** up and quit derailing this thread. To me, those arguments are null. Sheploo is for marketing purposes and it seems to be going over Bachuck's head. But I will not argue with an opinion that is apparently oh so superior.

[JamieCOTC]

Dark Glasses wrote...

Is it wrong if I like both MaleShep & FemShep equally? Or Am I supposed to hate the other one?

Not at all.  The best Shepard is the Shepard you like, whether that be male or female or both.  This thread isn't (or sin't supposed to be) about hating anything. It's supposed to be acknowledging that there is an alternative to the promo male Shepard and that it would be a good thing for BioWare to notice this.  At least that is what I got out of the OP. 

[Lord Coake]

arek_celera wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

2. Girls and young women need more strong female role-models, both fictitious and real, and a female Shepard can be lauded as being such a role-model. Given the interactive nature of the Mass Effect games and how a player can imprint their own personality onto their chosen avatar -- even more so, given the possibility of molding Shepard to appear as a self-portrait of sorts -- this drives the point home even further. A female Shepard shows that standing tall against long odds is something that anyone can do if they have the gumption.

While I prefer femsheps for a number of reasons, I'm not sure I'd want my daughters idolizing the Butcher of Torfan.

I would.

Then again, I was always taught to refuse to fight until there really was no other choice, but if/when that choice is made, take no prisinors, don't hold back anything, and leave your opponent(s) incapable of ever coming againt you again.

I went Earthborn / Ruthless on my Paragon Femshep though, and she still has two renegade bars full.  Tactical brutality has it's uses.

[Chaos-fusion]

Lord Coake wrote...

Then again, I was always taught to refuse to fight until there really was no other choice, but if/when that choice is made, take no prisinors, don't hold back anything, and leave your opponent(s) incapable of ever coming againt you again.

A fan of Machiavelli, eh?