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[Karaliecaitsith]

 SO upon wrapping up the expansion I got to thinking.  If given a choice, what do you think Alistair would do and why?

1.  Burn Amaranthine to save Vigils Keep as most of the population has been infected or killed

or 

2.  Let Vigils Keep fall and clear out Amaranthine?

[HoonDing]

Karaliecaitsith wrote...

 SO upon wrapping up the expansion I got to thinking.  If given a choice, what do you think Alistair would do and why?

1.  Burn Amaranthine to save Vigils Keep as most of the population has been infected or killed

or 

2.  Let Vigils Keep fall and clear out Amaranthine?

Without anyone around to make the decision for him, I think Alistair would just curl up in a fetal position and cry.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Probably try to save the village, and any kittens that happen to be trapped in trees.

[Sarah1281]

He would totally make you make the decision, much like with everything else in the first game. Except possibly to slay the Archdemon if he loves you, but even then he accepts being left at the gate.

[Corti78]

As much as I like Alistair, I doubt he could come to a decision without someone pushing him toward one. Even as King I get the feeling that my PC (Queen) and Eamon are the ones that are actually running the show with Alistair just playing the figurehead.

[nos_astra]

I'd say he'd let Vigil's Keep fall. It's the Wardens who should sacrifice everything to save people from the Darkspawn. I think, he would probably see it this way.

He would totally make you make the decision, much like with everything else in the first game. Except possibly to slay the Archdemon if he loves you, but even then he accepts being left at the gate.

Game mechanics?

[errant_knight]

klarabella wrote...

I'd say he'd let Vigil's Keep fall. It's the Wardens who should sacrifice everything to save people from the Darkspawn. I think, he would probably see it this way.

He would totally make you make the decision, much like with everything else in the first game. Except possibly to slay the Archdemon if he loves you, but even then he accepts being left at the gate.

Game mechanics?

Yep. If this was a book instead of a game, you wouldn't be there having to make each and every decision. You're the director--decisions are your function. You folks get that, right?

And I agree with you, Klarabella. I think that's exactly how he'd see it. The one I have a bit more trouble figuring out is if he'd ally with the Architect to defeat the Broodmother. I suspect he wouldn't, even if the Architect could end the blights.

[LadyDamodred]

Is it really a question? Save a city full of defenseless people or burn it to the ground so you can rush to the aid of a fortified keep full of soldiers and Wardens? I'm gonna say he goes with saving a city full of people who have no one else but him.



As for the Architect, I don't think he let's him live. Just my opinion from how I see his character in my head.

[Sarah1281]

Well, it's not like we even know there are survivors until we choose saving the city. It makes more sense that they would all be dead or tainted and your limited number of men couldn't save Amaranthine.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 22 mars 2010 - 03:36 .

[Efesell]

Alistair? Make decisions?

[LadyDamodred]

I find it incredibly unrealistic that every person in the coty would already be dead. I think even the guard says most are dead, but they don't say they're all dead. I just look at what Alistair said about Denerim at the end of DAO. He knows the city is screwed, but he's not willing to give up if there's still a chance. Regular soldiers might not have a chance at saving Amaranthine, but the Heroes of Ferelden do.

[Thalorin1919]

Alistair would make me make the position.



That scream at me about it afterwards, even though he made me make the decision.

[Sarah1281]

Denerim is the capital of Ferelden, where the horde is heading, you have an army and the Archdemon is there. The city is just a trading city, although it is very important to the Arling it is still not as irreplacable as Denerim, Vigil's Keep is also under attack, and it's basically you and the few men you brought with you against a full-scale attack.

[krylo]

Unhardened?

He would point at someone he trusted, and say, "You there. Make a decision!" Or maybe flip a coin.

Hardened?

The wardens are prepared to sacrifice all to keep the people of Thedas safe from the darkspawn, blight or no. If the keep must fall so that these people may live, then so be it.


On architect:

Unhardened:

Initially consider taking it, may change his mind depending upon companions and what they say. Unhardened Alistair is easily swayed and the Architect is charismatic and compelling when he needs to be.

Hardened:

He killed the wardens of Vigil's keep, and his lieutenant caused Velanna to murder all those humans out of a misunderstanding. Monster must die.

Modifié par krylo, 22 mars 2010 - 03:41 .

[Nobody Important]

Alistair would stand around and constantly whine that he would have to make a choice. After that he would try to murder the guards for suggesting something he doesn't like.

[Sarah1281]

Alistair would make me make the position.







That scream at me about it afterwards, even though he made me make the decision.

You mean he'd say that while he didn't like the situation,it made more sense to burn the city rather than let the darkspawn use it and then when you listen to him complain that you should have gone back to the Keep, defeated the siege there, and brought reinforcemence back to the city a la the Connor situation?

[Addai]

Bah, give the guy some credit (and get over yourselves ). He's king now and obviously making decisions every day, with or without you.

He would save the town. It's what a monarch does.

Modifié par Addai67, 22 mars 2010 - 03:42 .

[Sarah1281]

He's king now and obviously making decisions every day, with or without you.

Unless he's unhardened without Anora and you're chancellor. Then one had better hope the PC had the sense to bring Eamon in as the replacement decision-maker or the crown got nothing done during all of Awakening.

[errant_knight]

Addai67 wrote...

Bah, give the guy some credit (and get over yourselves ). He's king now and obviously making decisions every day, with or without you.

He would save the town. It's what a monarch does.

Nah, they know he'd make the decision. They'd have to be stupid not to, we see him functioning well as king in Awakening. They're just enjoying a good bash because haters gotta hate and it's been a week or so between hate threads. They're jonesing.

Silly me for thinking we could have a complex discussion comparing and contrasting character ethics and beliefs.

Modifié par errant_knight, 22 mars 2010 - 03:47 .

[Efesell]

Addai67 wrote...

Bah, give the guy some credit (and get over yourselves ). He's king now and obviously making decisions every day, with or without you.

He would save the town. It's what a monarch does.

My epilogue basically says that he avoids actually being a King at every possible opportunity.

[Thalorin1919]

Efesell wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Bah, give the guy some credit (and get over yourselves ). He's king now and obviously making decisions every day, with or without you.

He would save the town. It's what a monarch does.

My epilogue basically says that he avoids actually being a King at every possible opportunity.

Thats because he was un-hardened.


When you harden him, he becomes a very good King in fact. He studies governance and spends alot of time in court. Compared to Maric and Cailan, he is technically a better King then both of them.

[Addai]

I refuse to believe that even unhardened that he is so inept as to not make basic decisions, especially military ones. Does anyone's epilogue say that the country descends into chaos? I didn't think so.

[Efesell]

Un-hardened he still has either the PC or Eamon to fall back on.

[Addai]

Efesell wrote...

Un-hardened he still has either the PC or Eamon to fall back on.

Eamon's a chancellor, not a military leader.  Even Eamon tells you that this is Alistair's strong point, along with his sense of justice (edit: regardless of hardening).  Both of those are things which figure in to such a decision as presented in Awakening.

Modifié par Addai67, 22 mars 2010 - 03:57 .

[Auresta]

@Efesell: in Origins? Unhardened, right? Hardened he does pretty well I think.



I think Alistair would save the city; he'd hate leaving Vigils Keep behind but he wouldn't be able to live with himself if he didn't at least attempt to save innocent lives.

And of course he'd kill the Architect: what he's doing is (although the end could POSSIBLY be good) monstrous, taking Grey Warden blood for his own and having started the last Blight; Alistair is concerned with how good and positive the means are to get to the end, not with the ends.