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[Imperator Augustus]

I don't feel like this is DLC. I think it's probably just unused data from a plot point that was changed. She's not the only character with hidden dialogue. I feel like the Shadow Broker will have a much more important role in Mass Effect 3, especially considering your interaction with him in Mass Effect 1 with regards to the Cerberus data you collected. It seems weird to kill him off in such an arbitrary side mission.

[ObserverStatus]

The Governator wrote...
Yeah, I mean Revan was given a second chance, a character I loved (female Revan). Liara could travel completely down that dark path and still be redeemed. Look at Saren. Shepard was (paragon) still willing to offer Saren a chance even after all he had done.

What, do you mean a full paragon Shepard will be rewarded to the sight of Liara shooting herself in the head?
Personally I think she is going the way of Paragon Branka from DA:O, she doesn't seem anything like the archaeologist Shepard finds on Therum.

[FlintlockJazz]

Pryce86 wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Pryce86 wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Yeah, if they are telling the truth then Liara becoming the SB would a great consequence for cheating ("This will teach you for spurning me for that ho Miranda Shepard!  Bwa hahahahaha!").  Though then this raises the question of what would happen if you cheated on Ash/Kai and what happens if you didn't romance them to begin with.

I think you're mocking me on this one , lol ...

Not at all, I would love for a big consequence like this to happen as a result of choices in earlier games.  It would in essence be a good way of introducing a villain that truly does have a strong connection with the main character and especially the player, since it was the player's choices that resulted in it.

I just hate the idea about Liara gone rouge , she was the most lovable character in Mass Effect ( At least for me )

What they did to Liara is a fairly typical variation of the trope called 'Break the Cutie' which Bioware seems to have a tendency of doing, for instance Imoen from BG1 to BG2, though Imoen still maintained a similar personality throughout all the games, and Liara underwent the variant known as 'Corrupt the Cutie' rather than the standard breaking.  A better explanation of the Break the Cutie trope is here: http://tvtropes.org/...n/BreakTheCutie and the Corruption version here: http://tvtropes.org/...CorruptTheCutie

I personally never particularly cared for Liara: she never felt properly fleshed out to me, and her VA doesn't seem to match her personality or appearance in either ME1 or ME2.  I think the whole SB stuff is an attempt to give her a personality, but its one that has still left me going 'meh'.

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 18 mars 2010 - 08:10 .

[aksoileau]

There are many parameters here. For starters that could have been stuff that was cut from the game. Secondly, that may be the renegade selection since it is kind of dark. Remember Tali's reveal video about her being exiled? When I played the actual game, it turned out that was just one possibility. I'm a big Liara fan and she was my romance option, but I'm not surprised. Everyone knows that SB has it coming to him. Liara isn't a soldier, she's a scholar and she will be better as the new SB. Tali and Miranda look even better now!

[The Governator]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Pryce86 wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Pryce86 wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Yeah, if they are telling the truth then Liara becoming the SB would a great consequence for cheating ("This will teach you for spurning me for that ho Miranda Shepard!  Bwa hahahahaha!").  Though then this raises the question of what would happen if you cheated on Ash/Kai and what happens if you didn't romance them to begin with.

I think you're mocking me on this one , lol ...

Not at all, I would love for a big consequence like this to happen as a result of choices in earlier games.  It would in essence be a good way of introducing a villain that truly does have a strong connection with the main character and especially the player, since it was the player's choices that resulted in it.

I just hate the idea about Liara gone rouge , she was the most lovable character in Mass Effect ( At least for me )

What they did to Liara is a fairly typical variation of the trope called 'Break the Cutie' which Bioware seems to have a tendency of doing, for instance Imoen from BG1 to BG2, though Imoen still maintained a similar personality throughout all the games, and Liara underwent the variant known as 'Corrupt the Cutie' rather than the standard breaking.  A better explanation of the Break the Cutie trope is here: http://tvtropes.org/...n/BreakTheCutie and the Corruption version here: http://tvtropes.org/...CorruptTheCutie

I personally never particularly cared for Liara: she never felt properly fleshed out to me, and her VA doesn't seem to match her personality or appearance in either ME1 or ME2.  I think the whole SB stuff is an attempt to give her a personality, but its one that has still left me going 'meh'.

Yeah, DEFINITE parallels there. 

[carilynn46]

I just think it sucks for those who have her as a LI.... this is definite more reason to cheat on her lol

[Mallissin]

FlintlockJazz wrote...
What they did to Liara is a fairly typical variation of the trope called 'Break the Cutie' which Bioware seems to have a tendency of doing, for instance Imoen from BG1 to BG2, though Imoen still maintained a similar personality throughout all the games, and Liara underwent the variant known as 'Corrupt the Cutie' rather than the standard breaking.  A better explanation of the Break the Cutie trope is here: http://tvtropes.org/...n/BreakTheCutie and the Corruption version here: http://tvtropes.org/...CorruptTheCutie

I personally never particularly cared for Liara: she never felt properly fleshed out to me, and her VA doesn't seem to match her personality or appearance in either ME1 or ME2.  I think the whole SB stuff is an attempt to give her a personality, but its one that has still left me going 'meh'.

I swear I'll do it, Bioware. BAG OF POOP 4 U!

God damnit, I see where they're going. The whole "she was sweet when she hide from society but now that she's dealing with society she's turning into a cold-hearted ****" thing. Poor Cuties being Corrupted for the sake of allegory. Alright, fine...no poop. I concede.

Modifié par Mallissin, 18 mars 2010 - 08:51 .

[Blameless77]

What doesn't make any sense about this dialogue as future DLC is how Shepard would get the info in the first place. She says Cerberus told her were to find the Shadow Broker. Why in the world would TIM give Shepard info on the Shadow Broker?



If this DLC is supposed to happen prior to the suicide mission then it seems pretty unlikely TIM would want Shepard worrying about anything that isn't the Collectors/building the squad. If it's supposed to happen after...well, there's a pretty good chance a lot of Shepards are no longer on good terms with TIM.



It also seems a little too easy. "Oh hey Shepard, we found the the galaxy's most elusive being. Here you go!" I have to imagine that it will be Liara finding the Shadow Broker via data you've given her, either in DLC or ME3.

[screwoffreg]

Blameless77 wrote...

What doesn't make any sense about this dialogue as future DLC is how Shepard would get the info in the first place. She says Cerberus told her were to find the Shadow Broker. Why in the world would TIM give Shepard info on the Shadow Broker?

If this DLC is supposed to happen prior to the suicide mission then it seems pretty unlikely TIM would want Shepard worrying about anything that isn't the Collectors/building the squad. If it's supposed to happen after...well, there's a pretty good chance a lot of Shepards are no longer on good terms with TIM.

It also seems a little too easy. "Oh hey Shepard, we found the the galaxy's most elusive being. Here you go!" I have to imagine that it will be Liara finding the Shadow Broker via data you've given her, either in DLC or ME3.

Yeah, the dialogue is really bad and in light of the current game makes no sense.  You don't need Liara's help AT ALL to get a the Collectors.  Honestly, you could've figured out about Thane and Samara just by asking around anyway. 

It could just be total junk dialogue like Kasumi's current audio files...

[aksoileau]

The more I listen to it I think this was cut ME2 material. Instead of SB they went with the observer instead. Think of the continuity as well. I told TIM to shod off... I don't think he would give info. Seriously, you could easily place those audio files in ME2 but now its the observer instead.

[screwoffreg]

aksoileau wrote...

The more I listen to it I think this was cut ME2 material. Instead of SB they went with the observer instead. Think of the continuity as well. I told TIM to shod off... I don't think he would give info. Seriously, you could easily place those audio files in ME2 but now its the observer instead.

I am going for the TIM romance option so I gave him everything he wanted...and more.

Let's just say you have to work hard to repay certain debts.

[M8DMAN]

I hope you can turn her back to the good side with the power of LOVE!

[screwoffreg]

M8DMAN wrote...

I hope you can turn her back to the good side with the power of LOVE!

The GLORY Of LOve, from the Karate Kid II.

[ObserverStatus]

M8DMAN wrote...

I hope you can turn her back to the good side with the power of LOVE!

I'm guessing that trying to do that would go about as well as giving Garrus a Widow anti-material rifle, and asking him to climb a clock tower.

[MagicalSarai]

Blameless77 wrote...

What doesn't make any sense about this dialogue as future DLC is how Shepard would get the info in the first place. She says Cerberus told her were to find the Shadow Broker. Why in the world would TIM give Shepard info on the Shadow Broker?

If this DLC is supposed to happen prior to the suicide mission then it seems pretty unlikely TIM would want Shepard worrying about anything that isn't the Collectors/building the squad. If it's supposed to happen after...well, there's a pretty good chance a lot of Shepards are no longer on good terms with TIM.

It also seems a little too easy. "Oh hey Shepard, we found the the galaxy's most elusive being. Here you go!" I have to imagine that it will be Liara finding the Shadow Broker via data you've given her, either in DLC or ME3.

But it's also no secret that the Illusive man has no love for the Shadow Broker either... he may give you this information, hoping that you'll elliminate a problem for him (even if you aren't on good terms with TIM). I think the chances of getting rid of SB would far outweigh the annoyance of having to send a rouge Shep a piece of information. He could even send it anonomously.

[M8DMAN]

bobobo878 wrote...

M8DMAN wrote...

I hope you can turn her back to the good side with the power of LOVE!

I'm guessing that trying to do that would go about as well as giving Garrus a Widow anti-material rifle, and asking him to climb a clock tower.

Hey it worked for Bastila in KOTOR

[noobzor99]

Pryce86 wrote...

Mass Effect Redemption The series will be released in four parts and
examines the events leading up to Mass Effect 2. The Comics is Connected
to the Main Storyline Of The Game .

I'm pretty sure that
Miranda Lawson met Liara T'Soni in Mass Effect Redemption .

And
I'm pretty sure that i took Miranda a punch of times while meeting with
Liara .

Does anyone have a valid hypothesis on this
one ?

The same reason that taking Tali and Garrus evict no response- the devs got lazy with Liara