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[jselene]

I saw this mentioned on the Zevran thread, skimmed the other spoiler forums, and didn't see anything about this, so I was wondering if someone who finished the expac could confirm that the Leliana and Zevran letters were totally cut?    I mean...gah!  The one I read* was adoreable, and I see no reason not to have it in there; at least it explains why he's gone.  Unless this has something to do with 'romance content disparity' with Morrigan or something, but Alistair actually appears in-game.  :/  So...I don't understand.  Was it really cut?

If no: 
If yes: WHY BIOWARE WHYYYY?  

* the Zevran letter can be found here.  Just...as proof, just in case it really isn't in the base game.  (Would it still be a spoiler, if it wasn't included?  Huh...)  Haven't seen anyone post the Leliana one, but somebody found it in the .tlk...

[screwoffreg]

That is a good letter...I wonder why it is was cut. It would have at least been a better explanation than "whoops, they don't exist, LOL!"

[ejoslin]

It has not been seen in game, even by people who have seen the Zevran epilogue.

Edit: I've looked at the text file it's from, and there is a Leliana letter in there as well.  So, yeh.

Second edit: But I DO have faith in the modding community!

Edit. Please stop with the PMs.  *sigh* The first three people who requested this letter from me ALSO have it!  It's a great letter, but someone PLEASE post it somewhere and link it or SOMETHING.  *sigh*  I know, the Zev fans have it posted elsewhere.

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 mars 2010 - 01:40 .

[screwoffreg]

ejoslin wrote...

It has not been seen in game, even by people who have seen the Zevran epilogue.

Well, at least the epilogues confirm that the romances of Leliana and Zevran are not completely forgotten.  If anything they will likely reappear in whatever great work Bioware intends to release in February, 2011...or so one would hope.  Bioware isn't known for NOT wrapping up loose plot points and the romances of DA:O is so loose that its blowing in the damn wind, lol.

[jselene]

ejoslin wrote...

It has not been seen in game, even by people who have seen the Zevran epilogue.

  I was afraid of that.  But thanks for the confirmation!    I guess I'll be importing my Alistair run-through first...

Modifié par jselene, 18 mars 2010 - 12:42 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

I haven't seen any letters (finished the game)



I have the Leliana epilogue slide, though. It only "spoils" what happens with Leliana after the main Awakening quest, and none of the actual plot.

[Zhijn]

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: I've looked at the text file it's from, and there is a Leliana letter in there as well.  So, yeh.

Could you link or post the Leliana letter?.

[ejoslin]

I will not post it. I will PM it to you.

[screwoffreg]

ejoslin wrote...

I will not post it. I will PM it to you.

Can you send it to me as well please?:innocent:

[Deathstyk85]

i was really expecting a couple of my companions from the first one, i know they said oghren would be there
but at the end, i talked zevran into hanging out with me and continuing our adventures or whatever, so i figured maybe they will be awesome and toss him in there, as an optional thing.
i was also upset that other than wynne, you really have zero contact with anyone from the first game.

[Zhijn]

ejoslin wrote...

I will not post it. I will PM it to you.

Thank you!.

[Slarth79]

& me please

[screwoffreg]

Deathstyk85 wrote...

i was really expecting a couple of my companions from the first one, i know they said oghren would be there
but at the end, i talked zevran into hanging out with me and continuing our adventures or whatever, so i figured maybe they will be awesome and toss him in there, as an optional thing.
i was also upset that other than wynne, you really have zero contact with anyone from the first game.

Well, other than your romance option, most have no reason to stay around in one place.  Assuming Leliana and Zevran are still waiting for you somewhere, and Morrigan is still running wherever, that leaves the rest of the team to their own business.  Oghren got married, Shale is on her quest either to the Deep Roads or to Tevinter, Alistair is king (or dead/exiled), etc etc.  I worry for Dog's safety!  Perhaps dog is faithfully defending your love interest...

[ejoslin]

Ok, I've sent it to three people. You three can send it to others!

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 mars 2010 - 01:04 .

[Sarah1281]

Oghren got married, Shale is on her quest either to the Deep Roads or to Tevinter,

I'm not sure why Wynne decided to ditch Shale, seems kind of heartless. And getting married certainly didn't stop Oghren from tagging along.

[screwoffreg]

Bioware really underestimates their fans zeal when it comes to stuff like this. Don't leave evidence of such things if you don't want it to be found!!!

[screwoffreg]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Oghren got married, Shale is on her quest either to the Deep Roads or to Tevinter,

I'm not sure why Wynne decided to ditch Shale, seems kind of heartless. And getting married certainly didn't stop Oghren from tagging along.

That is rough.  Poor Shale.  There is going to be one pissed of female dwarf in the future.  As for the letters, its sort of heavy handed how Leliana and Zevran seemingly have to disappear randomely, but its clear they are STILL your active romances.  Interesting that they were left out.  The epilogues pretty much make the point clear as well, though.  They are out there...waiting.  I call this sort of romance route the "Liara treatment".  I will laugh if you run into Leliana and she is now toughs as nails, cold, and embittered by cruel acts.  Bioware, noooooooo!

[Andros_Hanarak]

I'm guessing they were left out in this expansion because they might still be other expansions/DLC in the future where they will be back. Or at least I hope so.

[Chasseresse]

Hm... I read the Zev letter and it still doesn't explain much. Like... why? is he where he is, doing what he's doing? Especially after in most people games where they romance him, he makes it pretty clear he intends to stay with you and not go... somewhere.

[ejoslin]

It's tied in with the ultimate sacrifice epilogue. And yes, NONE of the epilogues are followed, so, yeh.

[AndreaDraco]

I've read the letter. It was awesome! I really hope that they will bring Zevran and Lelian back in a DLC or in a future expansion, but now that I've read the letter, I will certainly play Alqua as if he received the letter no matter what!

[ejoslin]

AndreaDraco wrote...

I've read the letter. It was awesome! I really hope that they will bring Zevran and Lelian back in a DLC or in a future expansion, but now that I've read the letter, I will certainly play Alqua as if he received the letter no matter what!

You are a smart man, Andrea.  You're right.  NOTHING is stopping me from playing that I saw that letter in game!  

[Deathstyk85]

ejoslin wrote...

It's tied in with the ultimate sacrifice epilogue. And yes, NONE of the epilogues are followed, so, yeh.

this made me sad, i also replayed the ending of the original game a few times, and i said the same exact things, that i was going to stay in denerim, i mentioned looking for morrigan maybe to alistair, and that zev should accompany me. and i got a different epilogue everytime lol. one time it said something about zev, one time it mentioned me looking for morrigan, and another time it says i stayed in denerim and anora was annoyed by how much freedom/power al gives me. i thought it was interesting
but ya i found it sad how pretty much none of the epilogues were followed up by the expansion
i found it funny how all of the characters had cookie cutter responses to the main character (except for like two specific parts) until you mention "umm wait we have met remember in the other game" and their like oh yeah sure sure.  all of the responses seem tailored to the sacrifice ending

Modifié par Deathstyk85, 18 mars 2010 - 01:47 .

[Deathstyk85]

screwoffreg wrote...

Deathstyk85 wrote...

i was really expecting a couple of my companions from the first one, i know they said oghren would be there
but at the end, i talked zevran into hanging out with me and continuing our adventures or whatever, so i figured maybe they will be awesome and toss him in there, as an optional thing.
i was also upset that other than wynne, you really have zero contact with anyone from the first game.

Well, other than your romance option, most have no reason to stay around in one place.  Assuming Leliana and Zevran are still waiting for you somewhere, and Morrigan is still running wherever, that leaves the rest of the team to their own business.  Oghren got married, Shale is on her quest either to the Deep Roads or to Tevinter, Alistair is king (or dead/exiled), etc etc.  I worry for Dog's safety!  Perhaps dog is faithfully defending your love interest...

well yeah i meant dog/zev/leliana.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

screwoffreg wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Oghren got married, Shale is on her quest either to the Deep Roads or to Tevinter,

I'm not sure why Wynne decided to ditch Shale, seems kind of heartless. And getting married certainly didn't stop Oghren from tagging along.

That is rough.  Poor Shale.  There is going to be one pissed of female dwarf in the future.  As for the letters, its sort of heavy handed how Leliana and Zevran seemingly have to disappear randomely, but its clear they are STILL your active romances.  Interesting that they were left out.  The epilogues pretty much make the point clear as well, though.  They are out there...waiting.  I call this sort of romance route the "Liara treatment".  I will laugh if you run into Leliana and she is now toughs as nails, cold, and embittered by cruel acts.  Bioware, noooooooo!

B-b-but...but my Leliana likes cute nugs and shoes!
Hope Bioware is smarter than that. Otherwise I'll have to dust off my pitchfork and grab a torch...

Modifié par DrunkDeadman, 18 mars 2010 - 01:53 .