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[Lambda Faction]

NEW DISCUSSION THREAD IN ME3 CHARACTER FORUM - social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/7835600



The Illusive Man - "Friend or Foe" of humanity.

Love him or hate him; perhaps the mystery, perhaps his antagonistic ways, perhaps the Martin Sheen factor.

This thread is to discuss T.I.M. within the open forums (serious/non-serious) while additionaly supporting T.I.M. for inclusion in the upcoming Mass Effect 3.



Additional Thread Credit: Vamp44.



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Links:


masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Illusive_Man - (Overview of The Illusive Man through various Mass Effect mediums.)

www.giantbomb.com/the-illusive-man/94-10097/ - (See above.)



Group(s):



social.bioware.com/group/1426/ - (Hound of Hell - The Illusive Man (T.I.M.) Fans)



Topic(s):



social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1600890 - (Cerberus IS part of the Alliance. It never went "rogue".)



Meme/Photo Stream:




flickr.com/photos/53520943@N08/



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half-life.wikia.com/wiki/The_G-Man - (G-Man - Half-Life Series)

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Modifié par Lambda Faction, 18 juillet 2011 - 11:30 .

[SelphieSK]

Weird that he didn't get a support thread earlier...

[Jake the snake 34]

I hate him, and love him

[Lambda Faction]

@SelphieSK: A user by the name Vamp44 was supposed to make one, but, I don't know where they may have run off to. Then again, don't blame 'em. I would have done it sooner myself but I am one of those crazy college students you always hear about.

[Lambda Faction]

@Shandepared: "The end justifies the means," sums up both perfectly.



@JohnnyDollar: Agreed. I know there are more people out there. Come on... we have cooki... er...

[Terraneaux]

I can't stand this character. All respect to Martin Sheen, as his voice acting was great, but a character like this and handled like this is incredibly deprotagonizing to what is supposed to be a role-playing game.

[Zulu_DFA]

I'm not entirely sure TIM needs a support thread, but since it's here, I'm in.



So here is the serious matter to discuss: what cigarets does he smoke. I bet it's Marlboro ("Red") or Lucky Strike.

[Netzach]

Some people fight for the lost. I fight for TIM.

[huntrrz]

Shandepared wrote...

So far I haven't seen any evidence that he is not dedicated to the advancement of human kind. He is ruthless, but then so am I. At the end of the day he does good work.

We know of two successes from Cerberus' efforts:

- Resurrecting Shepard
- Creating and staffing the Normandy SR2

Every other project has involved violence or the callous use of other people (including HUMANS) for 'experimental' purposes.  Cerberus' activities have left them so distrusted that they cannot gain the cooperation of any government against even the threat of GALACTIC EXTERMINATION.  People will not even acknowledge the threat because they do not trust the source.

I'd say their methods were fatally flawed.

I "support" TIM in ME3 because he needs to be there in the end so Shepard can bust a cap in his dome...

[Netzach]

huntrrz wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

So far I haven't seen any evidence that he is not dedicated to the advancement of human kind. He is ruthless, but then so am I. At the end of the day he does good work.

We know of two successes from Cerberus' efforts:

- Resurrecting Shepard
- Creating and staffing the Normandy SR2

Every other project has involved violence or the callous use of other people (including HUMANS) for 'experimental' purposes.  Cerberus' activities have left them so distrusted that they cannot gain the cooperation of any government against even the threat of GALACTIC EXTERMINATION.  People will not even acknowledge the threat because they do not trust the source.

I'd say their methods were fatally flawed.

I "support" TIM in ME3 because he needs to be there in the end so Shepard can bust a cap in his dome...

Cerberus is working for the Alliance, but it's obvious they don't want anyone to know about it because all those projects you are talking about. There was a thread sometime ago talking about the fact that Anderson is hiding something (Banes) and all the travel in ME1 until you reach the first Cerberus mission.

Cerberus is a group working with governments money but classified as terrorist so the Humans don't need to talk about what they are doing or even justify it. That's why "Cerberus is humanity" and that's why EDI says Cerberus is receiving money from several sources even people on the Alliance.

[huntrrz]

I agree that elements of the Alliance are backing Cerebus but I think there are a couple of layers of black ops between the two - the elected officials probably have no knowledge of the relationship.



TIM is still taking the money from his backers, but he's running the show without any oversight.



My other comments still apply, IMO.

[Zulu_DFA]

kanuvis wrote...

huntrrz wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

So far I haven't seen any evidence that he is not dedicated to the advancement of human kind. He is ruthless, but then so am I. At the end of the day he does good work.

We know of two successes from Cerberus' efforts:

- Resurrecting Shepard
- Creating and staffing the Normandy SR2

Every other project has involved violence or the callous use of other people (including HUMANS) for 'experimental' purposes.  Cerberus' activities have left them so distrusted that they cannot gain the cooperation of any government against even the threat of GALACTIC EXTERMINATION.  People will not even acknowledge the threat because they do not trust the source.

I'd say their methods were fatally flawed.

I "support" TIM in ME3 because he needs to be there in the end so Shepard can bust a cap in his dome...

Cerberus is working for the Alliance, but it's obvious they don't want anyone to know about it because all those projects you are talking about. There was a thread sometime ago talking about the fact that Anderson is hiding something (Banes) and all the travel in ME1 until you reach the first Cerberus mission.

Cerberus is a group working with governments money but classified as terrorist so the Humans don't need to talk about what they are doing or even justify it. That's why "Cerberus is humanity" and that's why EDI says Cerberus is receiving money from several sources even people on the Alliance.

THIS

[Dethateer]

The only problem I have with TIM is that he appears to think we humans are superior to every other species, and therefore deserve to rule over them. Doubt I'd mind his methods at all if he were more accepting of other sapient species.

[Zulu_DFA]

huntrrz wrote...

My other comments still apply, IMO.

Flawed are the methods of the people who fail to acknowledge the threat of GALACTIC EXTERMINATION and act accordingly. That is, "do whatever it takes" It's a war and humanity is going to take casualties. It has to absorb the hits, suck it up and move on to victory. Or there is only death ahead.

[Zulu_DFA]

Dethateer wrote...

The only problem I have with TIM is that he appears to think we humans are superior to every other species, and therefore deserve to rule over them. Doubt I'd mind his methods at all if he were more accepting of other sapient species.

This point could have been debated earlier. But now we, as players, as well as Shepard in game know that TIM is right. Harbinger has confirmed it.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 18 mars 2010 - 09:02 .

[huntrrz]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

huntrrz wrote...

My other comments still apply, IMO.

Flawed are the methods of the people who fail to acknowledge the threat of GALACTIC EXTERMINATION and act accordingly. That is, "do whatever it takes" It's a war and humanity is going to take casualties. It has to absorb the hits, suck it up and move on to victory. Or there is only death ahead.

What benefit was there in setting Thresher Maws on a unit of marines?  In injecting acidic blood into a survivor? Etc, etc. etc?

All of the "whatever it takes" research took place before the Reaper threat was even discovered.  There was no "war" except the jingoistic EXPECTATION that humanity needed to assert its place in the galaxy BY FORCE or face the same from others.

[The Angry One]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

The only problem I have with TIM is that he appears to think we humans are superior to every other species, and therefore deserve to rule over them. Doubt I'd mind his methods at all if he were more accepting of other sapient species.

This point could have been debated earlier. But now we, as players, as well as Shepard in game know that TIM is right. Harbinger has confirmed it.

Harbinger is the same being who calls Turians "too primitive" (yeah that primitive Turian made thanix cannon sure wasn't effective against that precious cigar ship of yours.. oh wait lol) and the Asari "genetically weak" for relying on other species to reproduce despite the fact that a) they don't rely, they choose and well what are YOU doing with the Human Reaper, Harby?

Besides which Harbinger's criteria for greatness is "being turned into Reaper goop".

[Vamp44]

Modifié par Vamp44, 18 mars 2010 - 09:24 .

[Vamp44]

Lambda Faction wrote...

@SelphieSK: A user by the name Vamp44 was supposed to make one, but, I don't know where they may have run off to. Then again, don't blame 'em. I would have done it sooner myself but I am one of those crazy college students you always hear about.

Yea, I'm not the best at making threads. That's why I kept putting it off.

But, in answer to loving or hating TIM. I love his character. I enjoyed working for him and like that he gets things done. I'm truly hoping we can still have the option to work for him in ME3.

Modifié par Vamp44, 18 mars 2010 - 07:09 .

[atheelogos]

Jake the snake 34 wrote...

I hate him, and love him

QFT

[Lonely_Fat_Guy]

miranda explained it well, i dont belive TIM knows everything that cerebrus is doing.
i dont understand the hate for TIM anyway.

asari have the commando's
salarians the STF guys

so cerebrus seems extreem, it has alot of backing from humans high up.
dont think that the other races look at the humans as equal...thats just naive.
i wish it was a perfect galaxy but it isnt, so humanity must stay strong or we will end up like the volus, unresprected and badly treated by the others. (remember the timeline, the aliens are relativily new too the humans)

as for harbringer it seems funny, they think humans are the better race cause shepard took one down and compared too the other races we apperently have a brighter future.
seeing how humans have progressed over a verry short time into the galaxy is astounding, not even afther a generation or 3 we meet aliens are already integrated in most systeems, where other races have kinda halted the humans are still making big leaps foward.
besids that harbringer is a trash talker.

like it or hate it we need TIM and capping a slug in too his dome would only halter our progress.
short sighted people bah!

go tim go!
(with all the money spend on you he could have made 30 top commando's trying to do what shepard did, so give him some slack)

Modifié par Lonely_Fat_Guy, 18 mars 2010 - 10:40 .

[Big I]

Objectively, I think the Illusive Man was a great addition to the Mass universe. A ruthless pragmatist willing to save humanity, whatever the cost. If you saved the council as a renegade, the turian councilor says "Humanity has a savage, indomitable spirit." To me, that sums up the Illusive Man; the ultimate Renegade.



Personally, I hate the guy. Screw the Illusive Man, screw his experiments, screw his agenda, and most of all SCREW CERBERUS. He deserves to pay, for Akuze, for Kahoku and his men, for Toombs, for Chasca, for the marines killed by the Rachni at the listening posts, and generally for making deals and authorising projects that cost innocent lives across the galaxy. The ends do not justify the means.

[Elnino135]

I dont agree with what Cerberus is doing and all that, but if you put the goals aside, I love Tim as a character!



He's that powerfull corporation kinda guy that just loves to pull the strings. He's neither evil nor good, but will do whatever it takes to accomplish what he puts his mind into.



Which makes him the ultimate good guy, if you agree with his goals, or the ultimate villain if you disagree.



Martin Sheen does a superb job on the vioce acting (I cant help but wonder if he's actully smoking in the sound studio, or just imitating, to make the smoking sound)



So GO TIM \\o/