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[Giggles_Manically]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Maybe. I'm not that familiar with different actors, so I would have no clue if he ended up looking like anyone else until someone mentioned it. I only knew that TIM looked like Martin Sheen because of the forums, and then I thought "his name sounds familiar." xD I've only seen him in one movie, but it was amazing how much his character was like TIM.

Martin Sheen did say:
I dont think I would trust TIM even.

[Kim Shepard]

In that case, most of us on the TIM thread have Shepards who trust tim more than the guy who plays him. Hopefully, that's not a bad sign. TIM does know how to lie so well that it fools Aria though, which is a good enough reason for a lot of people not to trust him. They'll never know if he's really telling the truth. In some cases, I think it's safe to assume that he is, like when he lied to Shepard about the trap on the "derelict" Reaper. He didn't really want to kill Shepard off (there's no reason for that when he still needs Shepard), so I believe that explanation. As for the worst Cerberus experiments being done by rogue factions, I'll believe that until the game says otherwise, but that's one of the things that's more likely to turn out to be a lie. I don't see it as in-character for him to approve of some of those things, mainly the scientists in Jack's loyalty mission going too far. Akuze and Kahoku's team are very possible, but I have one Sole Survivor who would rather TIM lie to him about that.

[Snowship]

Actually it's very easy to trust people like TIM.

"Trust" everything that he tells you is going to be a lie. and base you actions upon that.

[Giggles_Manically]

I cant stand that excuse anymore.



"It went rouge"

Honestly its wearing thin, Teltin, Overlord, and all the others that go out of control are just to many. EDI says:

There are no more than a dozen cells operating at anyone time, any more and it would strain TIM's ability to multitask, since he likes to maintain PERSONAL OVERSIGHT on all the projects.



Honestly he is either lying, or incompetent to lose control, or miss that the cells are doing horrible things. If he said :"Why yes I ordered them to do that". Then I would have less problems with him.



But to deny and keep saying "It went rouge/I was unaware| every damn time is not only lame, but insulting.

[Kim Shepard]

I think the "it went rogue" excuse works for Teltin. In the case of Project Overlord, that's a completely different kind of going rogue. I would just call that losing control of the project, whether the scientists didn't take precautions that they should have or were just experimenting with something too powerful to control. No one planned that the whole place would be hacked and scientists would be killed off. For the other projects like Teltin and Akuze, someone definitely planned what happened there. If they went rogue, it was because they were trying to get results by using methods that TIM didn't approve of, not by making a mistake that nearly destroyed all of their work like in Overlord.

[Ashwraith]

I don't trust the Illusive Man any further than I can throw him, and neither do my characters.
Doesn't stop them from having a perfectly equitable working relationship.
I think of association with Cerberus as being a lot like a game of chess: you just have to stay two steps ahead of your opponent. Exploit any advantage that presents itself. Plan for the unforeseen. Always assume that the other player has an ace up their sleeve.

Trust comes later, when each side of the partnership has proven their value. If you can present a solid case for getting the job done, there's no reason for betrayal to enter into the equation. This is where the term 'mutually beneficial' comes into play.
Having the Illusive Man on your side is, I think, a lot like dancing on the edge of a knife- you'd probably never be able to completely let your guard down, but that's what makes it fun. Equilibrium isn't supposed to be easy to achieve.
Or, as my Canon!Shep puts it: "I enjoy a challenge."

Now then, as to the 'rogue cell' excuse... I buy it for some cases, such as Teltin (and maaaaaybe Overlord, if you squint at it and look sideways- after all, in that case it was Archer who crossed the Moral Event Horizon, not TIM- he was preparing to shut the project down, when it went dark).

However, other projects -I'm looking at the 'Missing Marines' questline in ME1 here- I would say were not rogue at all. I'm pretty sure he knew exactly what he was doing- and it's not even TIM who denies involvement; in that case it's Miranda. And it's very obvious that she views Cerberus through rose-tinted glasses... perhaps understandably, but I choose to take what she says with a grain of salt.

As for Akuze, we haven't been given enough information for me to make a judgment for or against TIM's involvement. I'm going with 'maybe' for the time being. I really wish they'd touched on that background in ME2.

Kai Leng... I kind of pictured as looking like Paz, but that's because I'm a huge nerd who needs to stop watching Ghost in the Shell. >.>

As far as flesh-and-blood actors are concerned...
Yeeeeeeap. Got nothin'.

Modifié par Ashwraith, 16 octobre 2010 - 05:51 .

[Kim Shepard]

That reminds me of a movie quote - "first we try, then we trust." It would have been nice if there had been a similar line in ME2, because that's exactly how one of my Sole Survivors feels about TIM. He starts out angry, but not knowing who to trust when the Alliance and Council betrayed him, and ends up giving TIM the base in the end. He still doesn't have complete trust, but he does trust TIM not to kill him now, at least not until the Reaper battle is done and if he stays loyal. One thing he learned about TIM is that he always has a reason for what he does, so that got rid of the worries about being killed in his sleep on the whim of a madman (but just the one madman). He still has that Cerberus information from one of the earliest missions that he keeps all to himself just in case. If he ever hands that over, it'll be the day he finally trusts TIM.

And TIM certainly does his best to get Shepard's trust. He's so nice to Shepard. xD I replayed Horizon a few days ago and chose some different conversation options in the talk with TIM afterwards, and when Shepard said she enjoyed all the battles, TIM said "so now you've got a taste for it" and then something about giving Shepard enough battles to keep her satisfied. He really seems to get along well with Renegades.

I could probably find a good anime-style picture that looks like how I imagine Kai too. I have a clear look in mind, just wouldn't be able to draw it well enough.

[Giggles_Manically]

[Lambda Faction]

(Sorry guys and gals. Busy with school papers and tests again, seems there are a lot more this semester. AND there's a Zulu sighting!)

I might have mentioned it before, but T.I.M. really strikes me as a "typical", cut-throat, business man. People like him do "lie" to get ahead, I can't say I blame them. Not much more to comment on as I haven't had a chance to play the added missions.

Modifié par Lambda Faction, 12 décembre 2010 - 08:53 .

[Lambda Faction]

Finally, got the 360 repaired. Will be able to add more to the conversation in the future.



So, fellow T.I.M. appreciators, looking forward to the comic release date getting closer?

[Dean_the_Young]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I cant stand that excuse anymore.

"It went rouge"
Honestly its wearing thin, Teltin, Overlord, and all the others that go out of control are just to many. EDI says:
There are no more than a dozen cells operating at anyone time, any more and it would strain TIM's ability to multitask, since he likes to maintain PERSONAL OVERSIGHT on all the projects.

Honestly he is either lying, or incompetent to lose control, or miss that the cells are doing horrible things. If he said :"Why yes I ordered them to do that". Then I would have less problems with him.

But to deny and keep saying "It went rouge/I was unaware| every damn time is not only lame, but insulting.

What other projects have claimed to have gone rogue?

[GracefulChicken]

I dont know if I trust TIM, but we have the same goals (I want humans to have as much power as possible), so I have no issues working with him. He's been furthering humanity, probably alot more than we know about (LotSB video of Cerberus-Anderson conversation comes to mind), so Ill support him and help out as much as I can. Hes put Shepard in danger a couple of times, but I dont think he'd try to get Shepard killed. After all, Shepard is the most expensive investment TIM has made, plus he needs him/her more than anyone else right now, so why would he? Hes put Shepard in a position to do basically whatever he/she wants, so that implies atleast a certain level of trust, so I'll trust him a little bit. He's more or less funded Shepards entire ME2 career, as well as breathing life back into our hero. For that, I owe him enough to not give him a hard time. If you ask me, I'd rather work with Cerberus than the alliance. Atleast Cerberus backs me up and doesnt dismiss everything I say and send me on useless errands (like fighting minor geth incursions like the alliance does in the intro to ME2). Using me is fine, but use me to my full potential, not like some alliance grunt.

[Kim Shepard]

I thought you guys might want to know that Game Informer made a list of "The 30 Characters Who Defined A Decade" and TIM is #17. Congrats to him! (And in the screenshot, he's drinking in celebration. Well, not really, because he's always drinking... but he does look pretty proud of himself there.)

Lambda Faction wrote...

So, fellow T.I.M. appreciators, looking forward to the comic release date getting closer?

Definitely looking forward to it. I'm not sure if it'll come out in stores right away, or if it'll come out online first and I'll have to wait like I did with Redemption, but I'll get to read it eventually. xD And you guys will post the spoilers for me to read if you get the comic first, right?

GracefulChicken wrote...

Atleast Cerberus backs me up and doesnt dismiss everything I say

This is probably what I liked most about working for TIM in ME2. Sure, Shepard's interactions with the Council were amusing (especially the Renegade dialogues), but give the poor hero a break. It's nice to have the guy in charge believe Shepard for once. I actually didn't expect to like working for Cerberus at first, but my Shepard seemed to get along really well with TIM in their conversations. Much better than with the Council/Alliance, and a lot more casual too.

[Lambda Faction]

I didn't know about that list. Very awesome that T.I.M. is #17. Thanks Kim.

I don't mind posting spoilers about the comic. Though, as always, going to make use of some sort of spoiler tag(s).

Yes, nothing more aggravating then dying, coming back, and someone saying they don't believe you. Too bad Shepard didn't come back as a brain eating zombie, show the council what's what. Sure that would create too many problems for T.I.M. and Cerberus on the other hand...

Modifié par Lambda Faction, 19 novembre 2010 - 09:46 .

[Lambda Faction]

Who's excited for Mass Effect 3 (Estimated Release Date: Holiday 2011) and (hopefully) more T.I.M.? Wonder what role he'll play this time around since it appears the Reapers are now attacking Earth full force.

[Zulu_DFA]

Lambda Faction wrote...

Who's excited for Mass Effect 3 (Estimated Release Date: Holiday 2011) and (hopefully) more T.I.M.? Wonder what role he'll play this time around since it appears the Reapers are now attacking Earth full force.

Leading Humanity to the galactic dominance, against the Reapers and beyond, of course.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 12 décembre 2010 - 12:33 .

[Lambda Faction]

Ah, I should have known, Zulu. Obvious answer is obvious. You win this round.

[philiposophy]

Lambda Faction wrote...

Who's excited for Mass Effect 3 (Estimated Release Date: Holiday 2011) and (hopefully) more T.I.M.? Wonder what role he'll play this time around since it appears the Reapers are now attacking Earth full force.

I hope he'll be providing me with pimped out tech reverse engineered from that base I gave him. Oh, and putting some of his vast resources and intel to good use.

I think TIM will be sidelined though. Your final conversation with him can't go well, can it? No matter what, Shepard always argues and walks out. Grr.

[Zulu_DFA]

I'm sure TIM will play a heavy role closer to the end of the game. One possible plot development may be that Shepard gets indoctrinated at some point (as a device to tell the player the ultimate truth about the Reapers, their motives and origins), and who do you think is going to have the capability to de-indoctrinate him?



And anyway, where is the damn preview of the TIM comic, BioWare???

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 12 décembre 2010 - 04:15 .

[DirtyVagrant]

Naturally TIM will be sending all available Cerberus resources into defending Earth.

As for the comic, you should ask that to Dark Horse, Zulu!

[DirtyVagrant]

Mass Effect: Evolution #3 cover.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I hope Evolution is better than Redemption. It will be a shame if they screw up TIM.

[DirtyVagrant]

Yeah. Redemption was alright, I don't condemn it as much as other folks, but I hope there is a better balance between story and action with Evolution. There is a good opportunity for Mac Walters to shine some light on the First Contact War, I hope he takes it, and doesn't have TIM simply jumping from fight scene to fight scene.

Modifié par DirtyVagrant, 15 décembre 2010 - 10:45 .

[Zulu_DFA]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Mass Effect: Evolution #3 cover.

Great!

There are more cover illustrations and vague spoilers @ Darkhorse.com.

Looks like TIM will likely be crossing paths with Saren there. What if it was he who killed Saren's brother?


***

Also, the IGN named TIM the "best character of the year", and rightfully so!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 16 décembre 2010 - 12:47 .

[Kim Shepard]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Looks like TIM will likely be crossing paths with Saren there. What if it was he who killed Saren's brother?

I thought about that too. I hope he didn't kill Saren's brother, but either way, more information about two of my favorite characters and the First Contact War is great.

And thanks in advance to Lambda Faction for posting the spoilers. It'll be a long enough wait for the comics without waiting an extra few months for them to be released in stores.

Also, the IGN named TIM the "best character of the year", and rightfully so!

Wow, congrats again to TIM.