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[CroGamer002]

Most badass character ever.

And I enjoy hating him.



Also you know he won best character award by IGN?

[Ashwraith]

Psh, naw. We're so out of the loop we didn't even know there was one.
(Yes, of course we knew. And it is awesome.)

You know, I never really thought about it, but... Anderson did kind of shoot himself in the foot a couple of times during Retribution, didn't he?
Well done, Admiral. Well-freaking-done.
And, instead of answering for his actions -which could endanger not only the Alliance's standing but also, potentially, lives- if I recall correctly he quits his post at the end of the book. So not only has he shot himself in the foot, but he's kindly surrendered any political and/or military advantage he previously had.
Anderson. You know I love you. You're Keith David, for crying out loud.
Please- stop acting like a moron. For me?

Modifié par Ashwraith, 17 décembre 2010 - 06:43 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Hmm, seems I need to get myself a copy of this book.

Anderson quits being an Admiral as well as stepping down from any council position he was in (am not fussed about the latter, he wasn't liking it anyway when we meet him in ME2).

Hmm... reminds me of a certain boss of CTU (Bill Buchanan). DAMMIT!

Actually I am looking at re-rolling Jack (avatar) on PS3 and I was going to change some of the default choices (although one of the ones I thought was default might not be). Anyway my point is this, with Jack I basically had him going with the belief of agreeing with what Miranda had said of wishing Cerberus had recruited him earlier. I then decided that he would be doing tasks as he believed Cerberus would want. This even comes to decisions during loyalty missions and whether Jack does them.

Miranda & Jacob - duh, obvious got to keep them focussed

Garrus - what with this new information I seem to have gleamed about TIM and Turians, would he be bothered about us sorting this out. I've always been of the assumption that some humans were on Garrus Omega team and so do it as revenge for them. Course there is the whole process of TIM thinking they all need to be focussed but with his dislike of Turians?

Jack - I like to think of this as us going in to erase all evidence of a Cerberus Op gone rogue, I also like to think that there is a message for us that reads, makes sure she doesn't come back from the suicide mission alive. Her arguing with Miranda helps >

Mordin - Brilliant Scientist, helped with the Genophage, I figure TIM would want any chance of a cure removing so that the Krogans can't pose any threat to Human dominance

Grunt - With the e-mail we get, I see it that basically TIM is saying, if we can manage without it, leave him in the tank so Cerberus can study it. So that is what we do

Thane - This is where I tend to meta-game a tiny bit, but I RP around it by going with the belief that TIM actually knows who Kolyat's target is and so advises us to help ensure the assassination isn't messed up. "Hostages only work when your enemy cares if they live."

Samara - Well, we do receive reports of an attack on a human in Omega, so got to avenge the poor human by killing the nasty daughter.

Tali - This is one I have issues understanding, for some reason when I read a brief synopsis of one of the previous books I was under the impression Cerberus wanted to cause Quarians trouble (so I handed the evidence over ), but then I realised they were just trying to get someone and in the Mission Complete screen it shows TIM wishing to get the Quarians to stop focussing on the Geth to help out with the War. So I figured he wants us to sort the trial out and warn them not to go to war with the Geth, that seem right?

Kasumi - Well, she coming on board if we help and I figured TIM might have an idea what the Grey Box might have? So we go get that... I figured it needs erasing if it is going to have something bad for the Alliance?

Zaeed - Paid for, so we go help. My one wonder is about the workers, they are all human, only thing I can think is that with Vido dead, Blue Suns might splinter. Previous playthrough I went and killed Vido

Legion - Sent to Cerberus of course, for Science... probably a good idea to leave Overlord till after the Suicide Mission though eh

Liara's stuff - Other than meta-gaming to get rid of her assistant, don't see point of messing with her normal quest, but obviously SB does need dealing with.

Suicide Mission
I figure humanity needs to ensure that all humans in the team that are either paid for by Cerberus or work for them are priority to getting out alive, everyone else is expendable, especially Jack (Subject Zero, not Jack Shepard )

Do you reckon TIM would be proud of that summary?
(originaly playthrough I did, came out with just Miranda, Jacob, Kasumi, Zaeed and full crew)

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Tali - This is one I have issues understanding, for some reason when I read a brief synopsis of one of the previous books I was under the impression Cerberus wanted to cause Quarians trouble (so I handed the evidence over ), but then I realised they were just trying to get someone and in the Mission Complete screen it shows TIM wishing to get the Quarians to stop focussing on the Geth to help out with the War. So I figured he wants us to sort the trial out and warn them not to go to war with the Geth, that seem right?

Cerberus' "attack on the Migrant Fleet" was because a Cerberus operative betrayed TIM and smuggled an asset onto the Migrant Fleet for safe harbor. The Quarians brought it on themselves by giving them safe harbor. It had nothing to do with TIM wanting to harm the Quarians. He just wanted the asset back.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

This is a must see. Seriously.

[ZJR7621]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

This is a must see. Seriously.

The best link in the history of the Mass Effect forums

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Yeah I thought as much, oh well, maybe they will help even if Tali does end up getting incinerated due to me not taking the Shield data from her

Current potential playthrough is...

Ship deaths - Tali and Thane (no ship upgrades taken from aliens)

Vent - Garrus (well... he is an Infiltrator, not my fault if he more soldier than engineer unlike Kasumi)

1st TL - Miranda

Biotic - Miranda "I can do it too, technically any Biotic can do it."

Biotic Team - Zaeed and Mordin (Guess Mordin gets to find out what it is like when Seekers mess with him )

2nd TL - Samara (Shep figuring the other team needs a Biotic leading them to protection... oops)

Escort - Jacob (Only Cerberus people escort Cerberus crew)

FB - Jack and Miranda, Base kept, 'mistake' dealt with, Shep catches Miranda and she catches Shep

HTL -Zaeed and Kasumi - all survive



Team Cerberus survives. TIM will be proud I think.



Anyone wonder if the events of Retribution might come up in any of the upcoming Bridging DLC?



If what I've read of it is true, seems a fair few things that would need explaining either in DLC or near the start of ME3. Especially regarding TIM, Anderson and Aria.

[Markinator_123]

The Illusive Man is awesome!

[Dean_the_Young]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Do you reckon TIM would be proud of that summary?
(originaly playthrough I did, came out with just Miranda, Jacob, Kasumi, Zaeed and full crew)

Personally? No.

I think you missed a turn awhile back. TIM didn't bring Shepard back to be a Cerberus grunt who would do everything TIM wanted without question. TIM brought back Shepard because Shepard was an independent symbol for humanity, and because Shepard could think for himself.

It's one thing to share beliefs with TIM, which might make him impressed, but to do something simply because TIM might (or might not) prefer it isn't what impressed him in the first place (which was Shepard's ability to think for himself). It's the difference between someone who you agree with, and someone who simply seeks to please you by agreeing with what you say.

I mean, it's as valid a roleplay as any other, but I don't think 'aiming to please TIM' as a motivation would actually get you TIM's respect.


Moreover, there's a lot of aspects in which 'what's best for humanity' (TIM's goal) is far more nuanced than the level of detail you've gone into. Let's take the Turian politician, for example: he's anti-human, so it's easy to assume TIM would want him killed. But on the other hand, TIM might NOT want him killed, on the grounds that killing him would radicalize his base of anti-human sentiment to Humanity's disadvantage. Your cure can well be worse than the disease, in which case TIM wouldn't want that.

TIM isn't hesitant about letting you have alien allies either, and Garrus is distinctly separated from the Heirarchy and Turian race politics. Screwing over Garrus simply because he's a Turian not only undermines TIM's objective of giving you the best team possible for you to mold, but also loses the chance to co-opt Harkin's Fade network. TIM wouldn't like that (if he knew the opportunity cost).

We can go along with this for awhile. There are a lot of nuanced interpretations of advancing human interests. I think you've missed out on that a great deal.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Thanks Dean, I actually had pondered about that, the above summary was my initial playthrough (and potential replay) but I figured would run the idea by some fellow people who were keen on a 'Cerberus' Shep for some clarification if I was doing it the right way. With regards Garrus I did end up doing his mission beforehand and your right, the Turian hierarchy ain't nothing to do with Garrus so no issues there.



As for the 'aiming to please' that was just a bad choice of words really. I'll revise some of the things when I do the playthrough, saving the Turian, upgrading the ship (always good to utilise tech), only casualty being Jack... even if TIM isn't interested in her being gone, Shep is because he wants to make sure the loose cannon can't attack Miranda, so keeping them both at the final battle in his sight, best way to do so. Then at the end, bam, one dead 'mistake'

Bleh, I'll just have to 'blank' out the scene where Shep is standing over that coffin at the end

Going back to Grunt, do you think it is reasonable for Shep to look at that e-mail and see the latter comment by TIM as a better option if he thinks there is no need for the Krogan? The way I always read it is that he is saying "If you can find a use for him, go ahead but if not, keep hold of him so we can study him." I'm thinking along the lines that, Grunt is the last pickup before Horizon, he is yet to decide what to do with him when we get the call to go Horizon, then after with the additional 3 dossiers (having got Kasumi and Zaeed already) Shepard figures that it is best to keep the Krogan stored so that when possible TIM can get someone to take him off the Ship to be studied.


Anyway thanks again, it's really valuable input as I do want my Shep to be consider himself a proper leading force for Cerberus rather than just some mindless 'anti-alien' grunt.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 17 décembre 2010 - 11:08 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Thanks Dean, I actually had pondered about that, the above summary was my initial playthrough (and potential replay) but I figured would run the idea by some fellow people who were keen on a 'Cerberus' Shep for some clarification if I was doing it the right way. With regards Garrus I did end up doing his mission beforehand and your right, the Turian hierarchy ain't nothing to do with Garrus so no issues there.

I'm glad you didn't take offense. There are whole variety of things that could be hemmed and hawed either way.

As for the 'aiming to please' that was just a bad choice of words really. I'll revise some of the things when I do the playthrough, saving the Turian, upgrading the ship (always good to utilise tech), only casualty being Jack... even if TIM isn't interested in her being gone, Shep is because he wants to make sure the loose cannon can't attack Miranda, so keeping them both at the final battle in his sight, best way to do so. Then at the end, bam, one dead 'mistake'
Bleh, I'll just have to 'blank' out the scene where Shep is standing over that coffin at the end

I can always appreciate a pre-meditated attempt, but I also suggest trying to establish a guiding rational before playing: sometimes the results will surprise you, and it can add a logical coherency that strictly pre-choosing can lose.

Going back to Grunt, do you think it is reasonable for Shep to look at that e-mail and see the latter comment by TIM as a better option if he thinks there is no need for the Krogan? The way I always read it is that he is saying "If you can find a use for him, go ahead but if not, keep hold of him so we can study him." I'm thinking along the lines that, Grunt is the last pickup before Horizon, he is yet to decide what to do with him when we get the call to go Horizon, then after with the additional 3 dossiers (having got Kasumi and Zaeed already) Shepard figures that it is best to keep the Krogan stored so that when possible TIM can get someone to take him off the Ship to be studied.

I think TIM's intent was simply a 'don't lose the body if you do use him, but I'll leave it entirely up to you' I really don't think he was advocating for or against Grunt at that point.

Anyway thanks again, it's really valuable input as I do want my Shep to be consider himself a proper leading force for Cerberus rather than just some mindless 'anti-alien' grunt.

One thing to consider is that, yes, the Illusive Man can be wrong, and he can overlook things. He is a visionary, but he's far from infallible. Your Shepard, and you, should never forget that, nor should you ever come to think that a disagreement with TIM is a sign that you are wrong. Disagreeing with TIM or doing something in a way he wouldn't is neither a sin nor an assertion that either of you are wrong.

Quite possibly the most productive working relationship you can have is one in which you compliment TIM's strengths, rather than duplicate and enhance. Yes, a pro-Cerberus Shepard can believe everything TIM does and enable TIM further. But a pro-Cerberus Shepard can also do things TIM doesn't, or wouldn't. The Veetor decision is probably the single best example in the game, if only because TIM does have a stated position: TIM would have taken Veetor. But Shepard, perhaps relying on past relations with Tali, can make the diplomatic Paragon move that not only sees Cerberus get data, but also form new tenuous ties with the Quarians.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 17 décembre 2010 - 11:56 .

[Zulu_DFA]

[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Actually I am looking at re-rolling Jack (avatar) on PS3 and I was going to change some of the default choices (although one of the ones I thought was default might not be). Anyway my point is this, with Jack I basically had him going with the belief of agreeing with what Miranda had said of wishing Cerberus had recruited him earlier. I then decided that he would be doing tasks as he believed Cerberus would want. This even comes to decisions during loyalty missions and whether Jack does them. [/quote]
Pro-TIM playthough, huh? Godspeed, Sir!


[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Miranda & Jacob - duh, obvious got to keep them focused[/quote]
So what's the best way to keep them focused? I'd say it's don't encourage Miranda to talk with sister and let Ron Taylor live (if not, let him die in the hands of his crew, but not by Jacob's pistol!).


[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Garrus - what with this new information I seem to have gleamed about TIM and Turians, would he be bothered about us sorting this out. I've always been of the assumption that some humans were on Garrus Omega team and so do it as revenge for them. Course there is the whole process of TIM thinking they all need to be focussed but with his dislike of Turians? [/quote]
I don't think avenging (or saving) individual Humans (unless they are somehow important in the "Big Picture") is much of a concern for TIM, but he couldn't care less about Sidonis, so there is no point to hang in Garrus' scope.


[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Jack - I like to think of this as us going in to erase all evidence of a Cerberus Op gone rogue, I also like to think that there is a message for us that reads, makes sure she doesn't come back from the suicide mission alive. Her arguing with Miranda helps >
[/quote]
Very shady business there. I don't buy the idea that TIM was in the dark about anything that had happened there and maybe those logs were planted by the first clean-up team for whatever reason... Anyway, no Big Choice here either, so boom it goes, and Aresh dies there (no need to get an e-mail from him in ME3).


[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Mordin - Brilliant Scientist, helped with the Genophage, I figure TIM would want any chance of a cure removing so that the Krogans can't pose any threat to Human dominance. [/quote]
Check.


[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Grunt - With the e-mail we get, I see it that basically TIM is saying, if we can manage without it, leave him in the tank so Cerberus can study it. So that is what we do [/quote]
Check.


[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Thane - This is where I tend to meta-game a tiny bit, but I RP around it by going with the belief that TIM actually knows who Kolyat's target is and so advises us to help ensure the assassination isn't messed up. "Hostages only work when your enemy cares if they live."
[/quote]
Or, make sure Kolyat succeeds. No need to implicate Shepard in another murder. Plus what Dean said. No need to turn the Turian politician into a martyr of a rogue Human spectre, when there is a chance for him to die in a sort of gang-bang.


[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Samara - Well, we do receive reports of an attack on a human in Omega, so got to avenge the poor human by killing the nasty daughter. [/quote]
As I've said already, revenge for every single Human who gets in trouble, is too petty a task for TIM, smells bad with primitive racism, and is actually questionable from a more sophisticated PoV: according to Darwin, with every accident happening the the weak, the race gets only stronger. And in the "mission comlete" report TIM expresses  interest in the Ardat Yakshi and her unique... er... "talent". (But truthfully, I recruited Morinth in the end because she likes playing chess, and wears a "standard issue" Asari commando suit, as opposed to the ridiculous Samara's outfit).


[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Tali - This is one I have issues understanding, for some reason when I read a brief synopsis of one of the previous books I was under the impression Cerberus wanted to cause Quarians trouble (so I handed the evidence over ), but then I realised they were just trying to get someone and in the Mission Complete screen it shows TIM wishing to get the Quarians to stop focussing on the Geth to help out with the War. So I figured he wants us to sort the trial out and warn them not to go to war with the Geth, that seem right?[/quote]
In full honesty, one must admit that Admiral Daro'Xen has a point, and she is a Quarian analogue of TIM to an extent, but hell, who cares? So to ensure that the Quarians under no circumstances will be able to go to war with the Geth -- divide and conquer! Befriend Admiral Zal'Koris, have him talk to Legion about the possibility of peace, etc. (And f*ck Tali.)

However, if you send Legion to Cerberus (or haven't done the IFF level yet) then you can't possibly know about the True Geth and their side of the story,so you have to encourage the Quarians to go to war, and side with Xen.


[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Kasumi - Well, she coming on board if we help and I figured TIM might have an idea what the Grey Box might have? So we go get that... I figured it needs erasing if it is going to have something bad for the Alliance?[/quote]
Check.


[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Zaeed - Paid for, so we go help. My one wonder is about the workers, they are all human, only thing I can think is that with Vido dead, Blue Suns might splinter. Previous playthrough I went and killed Vido [/quote]
Vido needs to get shot. Simple as that. But there is also this Jack's recruitment "mission comlete" report siting the necessity to retaliate at the Blue Suns, so that's practically a clear instruction. Plus there is this convo between two guests at Donovan Hock's party:

"Have you heard? Santiago was attacked at his own base!"
"OMG! By who?"
"Zaeed Massani, believe it or not. The mad dog killed poor Vido in cold blood!"

"Poor Vido". Priceless!


[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Legion - Sent to Cerberus of course, for Science... probably a good idea to leave Overlord till after the Suicide Mission though eh [/quote]
See, metagamingly, I immediatly knew that it wouldn't be the case, but from the RP-ing PoV, who says you can't send the Geth to Cerberus after activating it? Again metagamingly, I'm sure this is the most stupid (worst) Renegade choice ever, and if something is going to "bite you in the arse" in ME3, this is it. Without doing Legion's loyalty mission, all Geth get hacked by the Heretics and attack en masse in ME3. If only to even out the stupidest Paragon choice to free the Rachni queen.

Not so sure about the choice on Legion's loyalty mission, kinda was the toughest braincracker for me, but in the end I think it's better to go with the standard "better safe than sorry" procedure. Especially since Legion himself can't be sure that the Heretics won't flip back to worshipping the "Old Machines" after rejoining the True Geth, infecting them too with this "perspective". And with the Reapers still out there one must take no chances.


[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Liara's stuff - Other than meta-gaming to get rid of her assistant, don't see point of messing with her normal quest, but obviously SB does need dealing with.
[/quote]
Observer is the Krogan! A female Krogan!


[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Suicide Mission I figure humanity needs to ensure that all humans in the team that are either paid for by Cerberus or work for them are priority to getting out alive, everyone else is expendable, especially Jack (Subject Zero, not Jack Shepard )
[/quote]
Since it's a "suicide mission" TIM is ready to expend everyone, including Shepard, on it, so I felt free to go ahead with all kinds of non-Cerberus-related metagaming on it ("dramatic purposes", punishing the characters for their improper
outfits, and them being fan service -- nothing felt so good as frying Tali in the Engine Room, then installing the advanced shield after the SM, lol).



[quote]Dean_the_Young wrote...

[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Do you reckon TIM would be proud of that summary?
(originaly playthrough I did, came out with just Miranda, Jacob, Kasumi, Zaeed and full crew)
[/quote]Personally? No.

I think you missed a turn awhile back. TIM didn't bring Shepard back to be a Cerberus grunt who would do everything TIM wanted without question. TIM brought back Shepard because Shepard was an independent symbol for humanity, and because Shepard could think for himself.
[/quote]

That's just the flip side of the coin. The main task of Shepard was to be a bait, which TIM could use to play the Collectors. Kind of a MacGuffin. TIM didn't ever fully understand why the Collectors wanted Shepard, but he saw it as a chance to get to them. As such, it's totally irrelevant what's in Shepard's head, so TIM accepts the necessity to put up with anything that's in there, even if it's the most stupid alien-loving paragon BS. Of course, he can't disrespect independent thinking as a man's character trait. But he also does have this thing, that he, TIM, is the smartest of all with such a trait. And in the end, loyalty to the Cerberus cause, which, it so happens, is defined by him, is what TIM can't help but appreciate in people.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 18 décembre 2010 - 03:41 .

[SovietSpring]

well I think the Illusive man is an interesting character
however i can soundly say the option to assassinate him not only will come up but is planned. I discovered this after playing the Shadow Brokers Lair DLC. I believe its either in the dossier section about cereberus (discusses potential assassination) or Liara hints at it. Anyway the guy has got to go. hes an enigmatic character but i dont particularlly enjoy commander shepard being used by some other human who sits on his ass and watchs as shepard destroys reapers, gods, whatever is dumb enough to get in his way, etc etc.
Also heres food for thought, what about his origins. His eyes are definately not human, unless the definition for human eyes changed significantly. So overall he does not sit well with me. I feel like he is going to betray shepard at some point.
Goodbye Elusive man, shepards gonna put a bullet in your head shortly

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

@Dean regarding pre-meditated and guiding rational, I've got to admit whilst the only time it kind of hit me with JackShep on that was the Tali situation, I think my main instance when I felt that was with my main Renegade FemShep who I had worked out wouldn't activate Legion but the moment I came to the scene (she was my first playthrough) where we see him, it put the thought in my mind as to whether she would just send him off. When it came to the choice I did ponder for a moment but then went back with my pre-meditated idea. Even when I replayed her to get Kasumi to swap in for Grunt (this shep never recruited Wrex, so logical to leave grunt in tank) I still chose that decision because I knew that she probably wouldn't have bothered with his loyalty mission and he would have ended up as shield bait anyway (as she didn't recruit Tali either because she never wanted her in ME)

@Zulu Yeah even in my first JackShep playthrough I didn't get Miranda to go over to her sister, as for Jacob I think I did choose one of those options in the first playthrough too, (my renegadefemshep gave him Jacob's pistol though, although more I think about it I think she probably should've just left him to get killed by the hunters).

As for Samara/Morinth ignoring the 'revenge' angle, I just see it that JackShep thinks Morinth sounds like a despicable person who needs putting to a stop that and the idea of her being on the ship with potential victims, he sees it as him ensuring she can't kill him or other members of his team/crew when they least expect it. It is all good TIM stating how Ardat Yakshi interests him, but as Dean said, Shep can think for himself what is best and I think he would be nuts to get her on the ship just so that maybe once the mission is done they can take her off somewhere so she can be studied.

With regards Tali/Legion, for the latter I think besides the obvious credits, the fact that we just met one that talked, I think could be shown as us having concern that they are evolving and so this particular one needs to be studied to find out what is going on. For the former, I see it as a case that just like Shepard, TIM knows the Geth aren't the main threat. Yes they are potential allies for them, but we will need all the help we can get with the Reapers (unless we really are thinking we are that damn good). I think Kal'Reegar points out the obvious that if it came to a ground fight, Quarians would get massacred whereas an orbital bombardment they stand a chance. I agree that TIM probably would lean more with Xen out of the trio, though with leanings towards Qwib Qwib too (even if he does have a silly name ).
So I figure TIM and Shep would be more for getting them focussed on the Reapers then afterwards they can go tear each other apart if they want. I do really wonder if our 'opinion' of what they should do will have any real effect.

As for suicide mission, yeah I've done that where got people killed on ship and upgraded after (even at a cost in some cases due to Mordin being a casualty on some playthroughs). Am not sure about this one yet, I think I'll just do the suicide mission on the fly. But Jack (Subject Zero) is definitly dying in this playthrough.

@SovietSpring I think most of us are aware that the chances of such a situation occuring are likely. I just hope that if it does it isn't just forced on us for the simple reason that he's been classed as an 'evil' man by lots of people. Nor do I really want it to be sort of like 'darkside' ending in which we kill him just to take power. I think that would just be out of place in the Mass Effect 'verse but maybe am wrong.

[philiposophy]

My fellow TIM fans, what is your favourite moment from the great man?

I think that TIM exudes such an air of awesomeness that I can't really pinpoint a single instance. One moment I do like very much however is the pre-relay conversation with him. There's just something about the way he says, "Be careful, Shepard" at the end.

[Xilizhra]

I respect TIM for doing what he believes is right, and if he makes me kill him in ME3, I'll make it fast.

[Ashwraith]

philiposophy wrote...

My fellow TIM fans, what is your favourite moment from the great man?

From an objective standpoint?

...I'm not really sure, actually. I think I'll go with the flow and say that I like the Omega-4 debrief the
best, too. It being Martin Sheen, naturally, I'd listen to anything he had to say, but there's just something about that speech. I dunno. Maybe it's just that he's finally letting the stoic mask slip, just a little.

(...Well, we assume. He is a master manipulator, after all.)



















...From a purely fangirl-oriented perspective, though, there are his last few lines after you give him the Collector base. His voice gets really soft; I like the intensity.


(don'tlookatmeeeee)

Modifié par Ashwraith, 19 décembre 2010 - 02:09 .

[GodWood]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
(But truthfully, I recruited Morinth in the end because she likes playing chess, and wears a "standard issue" Asari commando suit, as opposed to the ridiculous Samara's outfit).

HA! I'm not the only one!

[Kim Shepard]

Favorite TIM moments: It's hard to choose just one, but the pre-relay talk is a favorite of mine too. TIM telling Shepard to be careful and that he appreciates the risk Shepard has to take is such a nice change from the Council in ME1. (They never really seemed to care about Shepard. Of course, TIM might just sound worried because his four billion credit project could be killed off, but I'd like to believe he cares about Shepard. xD) And I like the line where Shepard invites him to go along - even though he turns it down, he does say it's tempting.

[Zulu_DFA]

Best TIM's moments:

If Shepard preserves the C-Base, but gets confrontational with TIM in the end:

"Don't presume to judge me or my motives."


If Shepard dies and Joker reports to TIM:

"Mr. Moreau, how is my ship?"

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 19 décembre 2010 - 03:07 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Favorite TIM moments: It's hard to choose just one, but the pre-relay talk is a favorite of mine too. TIM telling Shepard to be careful and that he appreciates the risk Shepard has to take is such a nice change from the Council in ME1. (They never really seemed to care about Shepard. Of course, TIM might just sound worried because his four billion credit project could be killed off, but I'd like to believe he cares about Shepard. xD) And I like the line where Shepard invites him to go along - even though he turns it down, he does say it's tempting.

Yup, agree with the pre-relay speech. Specially the bit about inviting him to come along, the way Sheen delivers the response to that is spot on imho.

Someone remind me, is there a way to do the post-SM speech without the line from Shep of "Human dominance, or just Cerberus!" IIRC you can't which kind of irks me a little bit from the whole PoV of my Shep seeing the two things being one and the same like TIM does.

Actually I just remembered, my most favourite speech though is the one after Jacob's Loyalty Mission when he goes on about how if he had anything to do with leaking the information to Jacob, he would be smiling about the outcome... the way he delivers the next line that just makes it perfect "I am not smiling!"

[Zulu_DFA]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Someone remind me, is there a way to do the post-SM speech without the line from Shep of "Human dominance, or just Cerberus!" IIRC you can't which kind of irks me a little bit from the whole PoV of my Shep seeing the two things being one and the same like TIM does.

Yes, it's the renegade line.

The paragon one goes: "We must dedicate every possible resource to fight the Reapers, blah, blah".

But the next Shepard's option down the convo is a silly line about "soul of the species", so I had to shut TIM off to avoid it. RP'd it as Shepard is too tired and needs to get a shower, and isn't in mood for TIM's BS, since the business is done.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 19 décembre 2010 - 06:02 .

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Yeah, the fact that you are forced to be confrontational with TIM after the "suicide" mission whether you kept the base or not has always irked me.

[philiposophy]

I think it's clear foreshadowing that TIM won't be the mission giver figure in ME3. While I fully expected that would be the case, it's disappointed that you're forced to be so confrontational to arrive at that destination. You can be pretty pro-Cerberus in the game and outright state that you want to be with them to Miranda, yet you always have to get pissy at the end over... I'm not sure, in all honesty. *sigh*

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

philiposophy wrote...

I think it's clear foreshadowing that TIM won't be the mission giver figure in ME3. While I fully expected that would be the case, it's disappointed that you're forced to be so confrontational to arrive at that destination. You can be pretty pro-Cerberus in the game and outright state that you want to be with them to Miranda, yet you always have to get pissy at the end over... I'm not sure, in all honesty. *sigh*

That's the most frustrating thing. We just won a major victory over the Collectors. I have no idea why my Shepard is so angry.