All what Timmy will recive from my Shep will be bullet from Cain in his forehead... END OF THE STORY.
The Illusive Man (T.I.M.) Discussion/Support Thread - ME3 03/06/12
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Posté 18 mars 2010 - 01:03
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We know of two successes from Cerberus' efforts:
- Resurrecting Shepard
- Creating and staffing the Normandy SR2
Cerberus also was largely responsible for the creation of the Normandy SR1.
We don't know for certain what was gained or not gained by their other experiments. The rachni experiment failed, fair enough. However you only fail if you try, and you if aren't willing to try you'll never succeed.
What Cerberus did manage was to create two very powerful biotics, even if they lost control of both for a time. They also were successful in infiltrating and attacking the Migrant Fleet. Shame they were done in by a traitor and two misguided Alliance personnel.
You also greatly underplay the significance of bringing back Shepard. Cerberus is one of the few organizations that recongizes the Reaper threat and is willing to do something about. Without Cerberus' aid Shepard could not have stopped the Collectors.
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The only problem I have with TIM is
that he appears to think we humans are superior to every other species,
and therefore deserve to rule over them. Doubt I'd mind his methods at
all if he were more accepting of other sapient species.
It
is not about humanity ruling them, it is about humanity striving to
achieve the very pinnacle of power so as not to be ruled or influenced
by anyone else.
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Posté 18 mars 2010 - 04:07
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And, by extension, giving in to human nature and using that power to rule over everyone else. We're too young a species to be given the kind of power TIM wants for us, is my point. Hell, every single invention so far has had its usefulness as a weapon analyzed carefully.
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Posté 18 mars 2010 - 04:28
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Ahhhh. I've been waiting for this thread. c:
Anyway.
From my perspective, the Shepard I'm using as 'Canon' has a very... complicated relationship with Cerberus and the Illusive Man in particular- which is exactly as it should be.
I want to feel conflicted. I want to struggle with the moral decisions I make in this game. I much prefer a world of gray-and-gray morality, rather than clear delineations of 'good' and 'bad'.
Add to that the fact that this guy is absolutely everything I love in an antagonist: he's charming, driven, intelligent, manipulative and actually competent. I went into the game expecting -determined, in fact- to hate him; instead, TIM wound up as my favorite character.
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Besides, what can I say? I never could resist a man in a three-piece suit.
Anyway.
From my perspective, the Shepard I'm using as 'Canon' has a very... complicated relationship with Cerberus and the Illusive Man in particular- which is exactly as it should be.
I want to feel conflicted. I want to struggle with the moral decisions I make in this game. I much prefer a world of gray-and-gray morality, rather than clear delineations of 'good' and 'bad'.
Add to that the fact that this guy is absolutely everything I love in an antagonist: he's charming, driven, intelligent, manipulative and actually competent. I went into the game expecting -determined, in fact- to hate him; instead, TIM wound up as my favorite character.
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Besides, what can I say? I never could resist a man in a three-piece suit.
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Posté 18 mars 2010 - 07:10
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Lambda Faction wrote...
OP's Topic o' The Day (Patent Pending): Do you think T.I.M. will kill himself off before Mass Effect 3 with all the smoking? (=P)
God...I hope not. I mean maybe if he'd cut back on smoking before every sentence he'd have more of chance of not dieing before ME3. Although I'd rather he not die at all...
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Posté 19 mars 2010 - 12:22
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Sorry about the format, wanted to get replies in on one post:
@Terraneaux: Fair enough. I suppose deprotaganizing goes a lot farther here, but having a hard time putting thoughts into words. Herding to a certain ending maybe, predictable outcome given the choices? Something like that. I suppose at the end of the day it's still a game with a set out "plot" and set characters so there's not as much "Free Will" as one would expect in an RPG such as this. (If I am understanding you correctly, if not I apologise and may have read the statement wrong.)
@Zulu_DFA: That's a good question. I'd want to say Red Apple, but that's the Tarantino fan in me. Also, going to put a link to your thread in the original post. Interesting theory you have going.
@huntrrz: Hey, at least that gives your Shepard a goal. Fantastic!
@The Angry One: As much as I like T.I.M. as a character, the opposing comments make me laugh. (Awesome sig.)
@Vamp44: No worries, glad to see you back
. Of course, you're more than welcome to... co-host (?) the thread. 'Tis why I added your name up there in the credits. Also, I'd laugh so hard if there was a report next game saying there was a "local" man who died from an old habit. Amazed they haven't switched to something else that far into the future. He's just classic like that I guess.
@LookingGlass93: I almost wish Bioware would spotlight the aliens a bit more, as I'm sure they have their own little agendas to account for (to make a twist.) Right or wrong, seems like human nature without the morality. (Even then, morality is conditioned.)
@Elnino135: Very well put.
@Asheer_Khan: I'll miss him *sniffles*. THEN who will everyone hate? Guess it's back to Udina.
@Ashwraith: Heya Ash! Good to see you here. Well, even if people don't feel conflicted, at least it gives them someone to despise, and that's always something. Hear hear on the suits.
@Terraneaux: Fair enough. I suppose deprotaganizing goes a lot farther here, but having a hard time putting thoughts into words. Herding to a certain ending maybe, predictable outcome given the choices? Something like that. I suppose at the end of the day it's still a game with a set out "plot" and set characters so there's not as much "Free Will" as one would expect in an RPG such as this. (If I am understanding you correctly, if not I apologise and may have read the statement wrong.)
@Zulu_DFA: That's a good question. I'd want to say Red Apple, but that's the Tarantino fan in me. Also, going to put a link to your thread in the original post. Interesting theory you have going.
@huntrrz: Hey, at least that gives your Shepard a goal. Fantastic!
@The Angry One: As much as I like T.I.M. as a character, the opposing comments make me laugh. (Awesome sig.
)@Vamp44: No worries, glad to see you back
. Of course, you're more than welcome to... co-host (?) the thread. 'Tis why I added your name up there in the credits. Also, I'd laugh so hard if there was a report next game saying there was a "local" man who died from an old habit. Amazed they haven't switched to something else that far into the future. He's just classic like that I guess. @LookingGlass93: I almost wish Bioware would spotlight the aliens a bit more, as I'm sure they have their own little agendas to account for (to make a twist.) Right or wrong, seems like human nature without the morality. (Even then, morality is conditioned.)
@Elnino135: Very well put.
@Asheer_Khan: I'll miss him *sniffles*. THEN who will everyone hate? Guess it's back to Udina.
@Ashwraith: Heya Ash! Good to see you here. Well, even if people don't feel conflicted, at least it gives them someone to despise, and that's always something. Hear hear on the suits.
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Posté 19 mars 2010 - 09:59
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Lambda Faction wrote...
@Vamp44: No worries, glad to see you back
Ah yes, I'll do that. I'll send you things I can find on him via PM and you can edit them into the original post.
And if that was a news report then I'd laugh...then probably feel disheartened since my favorite mysterious smoking guy with cybernetic eyes just died.
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Posté 20 mars 2010 - 09:10
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Sounds like a plan.
Aww, that sounded so... forlorn. Then the heat is back on Udina, wah wah wah.
His eyes are awesome. However, was wondering about indoctrination (i.e. Saren's eyes.) There was a thread somewhere about that claim, but damned if I remember where it went. Too late PST to think about possibilities, even for a good laugh.
Aww, that sounded so... forlorn. Then the heat is back on Udina, wah wah wah.
His eyes are awesome. However, was wondering about indoctrination (i.e. Saren's eyes.) There was a thread somewhere about that claim, but damned if I remember where it went. Too late PST to think about possibilities, even for a good laugh.
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Posté 20 mars 2010 - 12:27
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Lambda Faction wrote...
Sounds like a plan.
Aww, that sounded so... forlorn. Then the heat is back on Udina, wah wah wah.
His eyes are awesome. However, was wondering about indoctrination (i.e. Saren's eyes.) There was a thread somewhere about that claim, but damned if I remember where it went. Too late PST to think about possibilities, even for a good laugh.
My guess was that he burned his real eyes staring at those there suns for so long. Then he got cybernetic replacements. And yea I saw that one thread.
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Posté 20 mars 2010 - 12:29
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Martin Sheen's voice makes me swoon.. We should try to get him as a LI too!
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Posté 20 mars 2010 - 12:33
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Jake71887 wrote...
Martin Sheen's voice makes me swoon.. We should try to get him as a LI too!
Maybe then I'd finally finish a Femshep playthrough...lol.
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Posté 20 mars 2010 - 12:44
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Jake71887 wrote...
Martin Sheen's voice makes me swoon.. We should try to get him as a LI too!
http://social.biowar...index/1351092/1
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Posté 20 mars 2010 - 12:45
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Skilled Seeker wrote...
Jake71887 wrote...
Martin Sheen's voice makes me swoon.. We should try to get him as a LI too!
http://social.biowar...index/1351092/3
Interesting, but I am no thread necromancer...
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Posté 20 mars 2010 - 12:46
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Jake71887 wrote...
Skilled Seeker wrote...
Jake71887 wrote...
Martin Sheen's voice makes me swoon.. We should try to get him as a LI too!
http://social.biowar...index/1351092/3
Interesting, but I am no thread necromancer...
Its not necromancing if you have something to add. Better to bump an old thread than make a new one about the exact same thing.
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Posté 20 mars 2010 - 12:48
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Skilled Seeker wrote...
http://social.biowar...index/1351092/1
Bumped. For the sole reason that there are new people on the forums who may not have known about it.
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Posté 20 mars 2010 - 04:00
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Jake71887 wrote...
Martin Sheen's voice makes me swoon.. We should try to get him as a LI too!
Is it terrible that I would absolutely love that? >.>
Seriously. Bear with me here.
Paragon Shep.... I can't see as ever being interested, but... factor in Renegade Shep, and things become very, very intriguing. Blame my love of contrast, if you like.
For one thing, here are two characters whose strengths and weaknesses offset each other perfectly. There was a half-serious theory submitted a while back that TIM represented max paragon (blue eyes) while Renegade Shep represented... well, max Renegade (red eyes). This is actually plausible, if you bend the way those traits are viewed.
Instead of 'good' and 'evil', try viewing Paragon as 'Manipulation' (they usually try to negotiate/charm their way out fo a problem) and Renegade as 'Direct Action' (they just shoot/intimidate their way out).
Another way to look at it would be to percieve the two as Politics versus Military Strength.
Now, a relationship between FemShep and TIM would certainly not be a simple or even a pleasant matter (and to be honest, I have a very hard time seeing it end well), but it has the potential to be very interesting if played as a subtle power struggle between the two.
(Psychological warfare, you say? Why yes, please, I'll have one to go.)
Mind you, I'm 99% certain it will never be implemented.
(That did not stop me from kindasorta drawing fanart along those lines oh god I hate myself. >.> )
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Posté 20 mars 2010 - 04:14
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I already have my own support banner hehe. Your are cool, but I made my own. lol. Galaxy ruler suckas! and I support your cause!
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Posté 20 mars 2010 - 10:31
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@Vamp44: Ha, I like the sun theory even more. Gave me a good laugh 
. Eyes probably are some sort of cybernetic appendage (?) (wonder why they always have that blue-ish glow.) Indoctrinated T.I.M. would make for a good story in itself, though.
LI... not sure what to say on that one. Damned if you do, damned if you don't? BUT, given his personality (etc., etc.) I certainly wouldn't mind it. I'll add it as a link to topics for those interested in continuing that specific thread.
@Ash: I've seen some crazier things out there. (Mind you I like Kaidan as well, but you should see some of the things the Kaidan party comes up with. XP)
@ Tooney: Cute idea.
. Eyes probably are some sort of cybernetic appendage (?) (wonder why they always have that blue-ish glow.) Indoctrinated T.I.M. would make for a good story in itself, though.LI... not sure what to say on that one. Damned if you do, damned if you don't? BUT, given his personality (etc., etc.) I certainly wouldn't mind it. I'll add it as a link to topics for those interested in continuing that specific thread.
@Ash: I've seen some crazier things out there. (Mind you I like Kaidan as well, but you should see some of the things the Kaidan party comes up with. XP)
@ Tooney: Cute idea.
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Posté 20 mars 2010 - 10:51
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I actually didn't think I'd like the Illusive Man at first, but now he's one of my favorite characters. And I have a Renegade FemShep who would totally support a TIM romance option.
And I have a Renegade FemShep who would totally support a TIM romance option.
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Posté 20 mars 2010 - 10:54
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I like him, he reminds me of a rich, powerful version of me.
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Posté 20 mars 2010 - 11:06
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I like the Illusive Man, because he can be a very interesting antagonist and/or a complex, shady ally. Even my Paragon Shepards have a hard time being rude or confrontational with him. I hope he's back in ME3.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 11:27
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@Vamp44: Ha, I like the sun theory even more. Gave me a good laugh
^^. Hmm it would. Like for example if you decided to give him the base he could use that to assist the Reapers in some way.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 03:29
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TIM is the best non-joinable NPC Bio has made in quite a while. I hope he isn't a classic villain (other then the Reapers of course) in ME3. I hope he returns as an ambiguous character presenting Shepard with a hard morale choice in the main quest. One that isn't pure paragon or pure renegade, but something in between. TIM would be the perfect vehicle for that.
TIM is the kind of character you love to hate. And whether you like him or not, he gets more done then the Alliance.
TIM is the kind of character you love to hate. And whether you like him or not, he gets more done then the Alliance.
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Posté 22 mars 2010 - 06:43
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You people drive a hard bargain with this LI stuff. 
Make with the fanart, Ash. I'm curious now. (This thread needs more pictures, anyway.)
@Landline: Is that so?
@Vamp: Something like that. Reapers = More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_goo. T.I.M.my = Mini-Terminator. (I wish I could be serious, but... I can't. *evil laugh* I'll leave that to another time or other people. I'll come up with a well thought, hypothetical indoctrination post someday.)
@LFG: Good to see you here. Thanks for the post. Yes, yes he does.
@Jean: I hope they do something along those lines. (It was mentioned in the CE Art Book "charming billionaire," anyway. I don't see "true evil" fitting that bill. I still stand by my earlier human nature comment.)
Make with the fanart, Ash. I'm curious now. (This thread needs more pictures, anyway.)@Landline: Is that so?
@Vamp: Something like that. Reapers = More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_goo. T.I.M.my = Mini-Terminator. (I wish I could be serious, but... I can't. *evil laugh* I'll leave that to another time or other people. I'll come up with a well thought, hypothetical indoctrination post someday.
)@LFG: Good to see you here. Thanks for the post. Yes, yes he does.
@Jean: I hope they do something along those lines. (It was mentioned in the CE Art Book "charming billionaire," anyway. I don't see "true evil" fitting that bill. I still stand by my earlier human nature comment.)
