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[Zulu_DFA]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Jack Harper sounds familiar.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Jack_Harper

http://en.wikipedia....iki/John_Harper

http://en.wikipedia....ki/James_Harper

Take your pick.

Mine:

http://en.wikipedia...._Harper_(actor) - the voice of Arcturus Mengsk.

Kim Shepard wrote...

I did think it was funny when they called their boss "The Man".

"The Man" is military slang for "Commanding Officer", "General".

Is TIM going to face Ashley's grandpa?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 31 décembre 2010 - 07:25 .

[Kim Shepard]

After checking all of those links... now I have no idea why the name sounds familiar. Strange.

The first thing I thought of when they said "The Man" was police, probably because TIM just handcuffed that turian. It would be interesting if he was really Ashley's grandfather. What a coincidence that every important character in the First Contact War happened to be in the same place at the same time.

[Zulu_DFA]

Kim Shepard wrote...

After checking all of those links... now I have no idea why the name sounds familiar. Strange.

The first thing I thought of when they said "The Man" was police, probably because TIM just handcuffed that turian. It would be interesting if he was really Ashley's grandfather. What a coincidence that every important character in the First Contact War happened to be in the same place at the same time.

Well, as General Williams was in command of the garrison on Shanxi, it's quite natural for him to be there. I'd expect there to be a confrontation: he is about to surrender, and TIM doesn't look like he is gonna fall for the idea.

Then the Alliance relief force must come under Admiral Dresher, with Admiral Grissom and Lieutenant Anderson among them.

But the one person I'd realy be blown away to see is Commander Hackett!!!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 31 décembre 2010 - 07:47 .

[Kim Shepard]

It would be nice to see all of those characters in the comics. I didn't get the idea that Saren and Anderson knew each other in Revelation, but it would be amusing if they did and Saren was just thinking "oh great, this guy again" the whole time. I'm a little curious to know what Hackett looks like too.

Seeing Williams surrender would be great. I've been wondering about the details of that. It's even more interesting now that my favorite characters are involved. I'd like to know how TIM reacts to the surrender. I doubt it's something he would approve of.

[Zulu_DFA]

Kim Shepard wrote...

It would be nice to see all of those characters in the comics. I didn't get the idea that Saren and Anderson knew each other in Revelation, but it would be amusing if they did and Saren was just thinking "oh great, this guy again" the whole time.

Interesting idea. But I don't think it's the case. Even if both of them are in Evolution they'll be on different pages. AFAIK Saren wasn't fighting in the First Contact War himself, so TIM will meet him later (if at all). Maybe Saren will be chasing TIM specifically to avenge his brother.

In Revelation the fact that Anderson fought in the First Contact War was enough for Saren to feel as if Anderson was even more resposible for his brother's death than your typical human.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 31 décembre 2010 - 08:30 .

[Kim Shepard]

I don't think they met before either. It is possible for Saren to have been in the First Contact War though. They never said he was, but they never said he wasn't. I'm guessing the turian TIM captured is either Saren or his brother, but leaning towards Saren. There's another turian on page 3 who looks enough like him to be his brother, but definitey looks too different to be Saren. (Of course, this is all based on the theory that only Saren's family has fringe like that.)

Saren definitely hates the Alliance more than the average human. Maybe TIM isn't the one who killed his brother? TIM's not an Alliance soldier, and if that turian he captured is Saren, then he would know it. TIM being the one who killed him does seem to be the most likely at this point though.

[Zulu_DFA]

Well, we have just to have a little more patience and we'll know it all, in less then three months.



Although one thing I'm sure of already is that Jack Harper's gonna rock!!!

[Kim Shepard]

All of the comics will be finished in less than three months? How many are there?

Yeah, there's no doubt Jack/TIM will be awesome. Saren too. At least we got to see the first few pages before the 19th.

[Zulu_DFA]

Kim Shepard wrote...

All of the comics will be finished in less than three months? How many are there?

I believe there is 3 issues to be released, 32 pages each, which makes it 96 total, ~ same as Redemption.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 31 décembre 2010 - 11:40 .

[CroGamer002]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

This is a must see. Seriously.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[CroGamer002]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Yeah I thought as much, oh well, maybe they will help even if Tali does end up getting incinerated due to me not taking the Shield data from her
Current potential playthrough is...
Ship deaths - Tali and Thane (no ship upgrades taken from aliens)
Vent - Garrus (well... he is an Infiltrator, not my fault if he more soldier than engineer unlike Kasumi)
1st TL - Miranda
Biotic - Miranda "I can do it too, technically any Biotic can do it."
Biotic Team - Zaeed and Mordin (Guess Mordin gets to find out what it is like when Seekers mess with him )
2nd TL - Samara (Shep figuring the other team needs a Biotic leading them to protection... oops)
Escort - Jacob (Only Cerberus people escort Cerberus crew)
FB - Jack and Miranda, Base kept, 'mistake' dealt with, Shep catches Miranda and she catches Shep
HTL -Zaeed and Kasumi - all survive

Team Cerberus survives. TIM will be proud I think.

Anyone wonder if the events of Retribution might come up in any of the upcoming Bridging DLC?

If what I've read of it is true, seems a fair few things that would need explaining either in DLC or near the start of ME3. Especially regarding TIM, Anderson and Aria.

You're cruel.<_<

[Dean_the_Young]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Seeing Williams surrender would be great. I've been wondering about the details of that. It's even more interesting now that my favorite characters are involved. I'd like to know how TIM reacts to the surrender. I doubt it's something he would approve of.

Or, on the contrary, he might have. Williams not surrendering wouldn't have benefited anyone, and only heightened the cost. Surrendering then, while unpleasant, can well be seen as bitter necessity to protect the humans on the colony.

TIM might not have liked it, but the greater anger/frustration would be at humans being put in that sort of position in the first place, not at what General Williams had to do from the position he was in.

[Kim Shepard]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I believe there is 3 issues to be released, 32 pages each, which makes it 96 total, ~ same as Redemption.

That's good. Redemption was a nice size for a comic.

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Or, on the contrary, he might have. Williams not surrendering wouldn't have benefited anyone, and only heightened the cost. Surrendering then, while unpleasant, can well be seen as bitter necessity to protect the humans on the colony.

TIM might not have liked it, but the greater anger/frustration would be at humans being put in that sort of position in the first place, not at what General Williams had to do from the position he was in.

I don't know all of the details yet, so it's possible. I think TIM as he is now could see it as necessary, depending on the circumstances. Not sure about TIM 30 years ago when he was right in the middle of the battle, but I agree that he would be more angry at the turians than at Williams.

[Lambda Faction]

Random Note: Looks like I might need to change the title of the thread sometime soon. Jack Harper? Somewhat disappointed at it not being Timothy or something.



On Topic (Comic): "Die Skullfaces"? Eh. All for anything Illusive Man and such (as much as anyone else here), but I hope this comic doesn't do what Retribution did to The Illusive Man in terms of "off-putting" characterization. Even though in Retribution's case it was from Karpyshyn himself.



I will add I kind of like where Zulu is going on a speculation basis.

[Kim Shepard]

Well, at least "skullface" is a better word for turians than "cuttlebone." xD It makes more sense.

I expect that there will be some differences just because TIM is 30 years younger and this is his first encounter with aliens, but I do want him to be enough like present-day TIM to know that he's the same guy. Something like Saren in Revelation - he wasn't exactly the same because the story happened over 20 years before ME1, but still very much like ME1 Saren. Hopefully the change in writers won't make too much of a difference in that. Anyway, I'm happy with the first five pages, and I think I'll be happy with the rest of the comic too.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Are there are more screenshots of TIMShep? TIM rocks when it takes matters into his own hands.

[Mass Erect]

I hope this makes it as the game over screen for people who didn't trust TIM.

[Zulu_DFA]

I've been having a little discussion in another thread starting with the following post -

http://social.biowar...4253/13#5615112,

and a question striked me (TBH, not for the first time):

Would TIM / Jack Harper be interested in the role of a revolutionary? I mean if one day he calculates that Cerberus' goals can be achieved more easily by going public and staging a coup with the aim to reform the whole of the Systems Alliance to make it even more efficient and suitable for the "preservation and advancement of the Human kind", will he go for it?

He sure has got a lot of revolutionary vibes about him already: the "Manifesto", the "cause", zealous followers. And he does subtly reshape the Alliance via assassinations of undesirable political figures. So what's going to stop him from upping the stakes to the extreme, once he deems the juice worth the squeeze? Or maybe if Cerberus gets cornered after a lot of paragon action against them and it's an "all or nothing" situation?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 03 janvier 2011 - 09:53 .

[Thundertactics]

Mass Erect wrote...

I hope this makes it as the game over screen for people who didn't trust TIM.

Oh, that's just great. Finally my vid is used properly outside of my usual .gif, now I just can't stop laughing!

[Kim Shepard]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I've been having a little discussion in another thread starting with the following post -

http://social.biowar...4253/13#5615112,

and a question striked me (TBH, not for the first time):

Would TIM / Jack Harper be interested in the role of a revolutionary? I mean if one day he calculates that Cerberus' goals can be achieved more easily by going public and staging a coup with the aim to reform the whole of the Systems Alliance to make it even more efficient and suitable for the "preservation and advancement of the Human kind", will he go for it?

He sure has got a lot of revolutionary vibes about him already: the "Manifesto", the "cause", zealous followers. And he does subtly reshape the Alliance via assassinations of undesirable political figures. So what's going to stop him from upping the stakes to the extreme, once he deems the juice worth the squeeze? Or maybe if Cerberus gets cornered after a lot of paragon action against them and it's an "all or nothing" situation?

I agree that TIM is very much like a revolutionary, probably even more so when he was still called Jack Harper. When he sent a message after Shanxi calling for humanity to "take its rightful place", and being in the middle of the battle taking turian prisoners, seems like revolutionary action to me. Cerberus as it is now doesn't give off as much of a revolutionary vibe as his past does though. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because of the experiments and their history with the Alliance.

TIM definitely wouldn't start a revolution until the Reapers are dealt with, but after that, it's possible. In some ways, it would be the perfect time for a revolution when the galaxy is trying to rebuild, and after a human was the one to save them (at least I assume ME3 will end this way). There could also be a lot of resentment towards the Council and the Alliance if they don't take any action until right before it's too late, or not at all - Cerberus might get a lot of people on their side by making it known that they were the ones who did something. They brought back the hero who defeated the Reapers when the Council and Alliance did nothing. So yeah, I can see TIM doing something like that if he thought it would work best.

This could be interesting and lead to revolution as well (one of your quotes from the other thread):

I think TIM is indeed prone to losing the grip at some point. Like a professional poker player, he has always won so far, so why not rise the stakes every time, when sky's the limit? Personally, I don't think it's happened yet, but can TIM really control it no matter what? Kinda like Saren and his gamble with Sovereign didn't go too well.

Although, if it happens this way, there's probably a better chance that it won't end well. Bad things seem to happen when TIM gets overconfident. The main example I'm thinking of is in Retribution when he wants to watch Grayson's indoctrination in person (as he said, he knew he didn't have to be there) and almost got killed during the attack.

[Zulu_DFA]

Kim Shepard wrote...

TIM definitely wouldn't start a revolution until the Reapers are dealt with, but after that, it's possible. In some ways, it would be the perfect time for a revolution when the galaxy is trying to rebuild, and after a human was the one to save them (at least I assume ME3 will end this way). There could also be a lot of resentment towards the Council and the Alliance if they don't take any action until right before it's too late, or not at all - Cerberus might get a lot of people on their side by making it known that they were the ones who did something.

That's what I had in mind when I created the ME4: Civil War! thread yesterday. The problem is that if its another single-player oriented game making the main villains out of Cerebrus will be too tempting. Kind of like Sons of Korhal and Arcturs Mengsk turn into villains in the StarCraft series, and the player is "shoehorned" it identify with Jimmy Raynor. The job was done very nicely though: you're a good guy, but at the same time you're a terrorist to the rest of the world until you score a big victory.

But possibilities are limitless in that scenario for interesting character development of TIM. Say, TIM puts Saracino in charge, but after a while the latter accumulates enough power for himself and goes out of control, sidelines TIM and the old Cerberus "Guard", rounds up aliens into concentration camps, begins to create vile super-powerful transhuman soldiers with salvaged Reaper tech and stuff. So half-way through the game TIM and the few that would remain loyal to him may even join the PC's effort to put Saracino down, realizing his mistakes and maybe even redeeming himself by going out "in a blaze of glory" in the finale. The Epilogue could be a cuscene of a funeral service, revealing the monument on his tomb. The inscription could read: "Here Rests Jack Harper, the Best, the Worst, the Man".

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 04 janvier 2011 - 01:10 .

[Kim Shepard]

The main issue with that idea I can think of is, "Where is Shepard during all this?" I'd rather not have a required death for Shepard in ME3, and it seems unlikely that Shepard would stay out of something that big. If they can think of a reason why Shepard is alive but not involved, even if it makes no sense, I would be fine with that. It could make an interesting game. It would be nice if we had the option to work with TIM from the start and already be a member of Cerberus, but I guess it would be easier to start everyone out the same. Personally, in that scenario, I'd like to play an escaped super-soldier with Reaper tech who ends up working with TIM.

More character development for TIM would be great. That's a nice message for his tomb too, not that I want him to die. It would make him the second character in my top five favorites who sacrificed their life to redeem themselves. I'd like to see him redeem himself. Although, in my opinion, bringing Shepard back already made up for a lot.

[Rogerthegood]

The Illusive Man is certainly one of my favorite characters in the Mass Effect Universe. What i like about him is not specially his pro-human convictions but his personality and manners which make him charismatic.  Having just finished the novel "Retribution" (yeah I know I'm late on this) I was pleased to see that we could see other sides of his personality. Despite the final discussion with him at the end ME2 I'm sure we're not done with him and his organization and given the attack of the Reapers on Earth we saw in the first ME3 trailer writers could still give him a no-secondary role. 

[MisterJB]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I did think it was funny when they called their boss "The Man." xD I think TIM probably came up with the title later, after creating Cerberus, but it could have been influenced by the man who lead the early pro-humanity group he was part of. Now that we know he didn't come up with it because his name's really Tim. 

TIM didn't came up with the name "The Illusive Man". It was the Alliance who refered to him as such and the name just stuck.

[DirtyVagrant]

Last issue solicitation for April I'm sure Illusive Man fans would be interested in, the last point being particularly interesting!

http://www.comicbook...rticle&id=30276

MASS EFFECT: EVOLUTION #4 (of 4)
Mac
Walters (W), John Jackson Miller (W), Omar Francia (A), Michael Atiyeh
©, Massimo Carnevale (Cover), and Joe Quinones (Variant Cover)
On sale Apr 20
FC, 32 pages
$3.50
Miniseries
Mass
Effect 2 lead writer Mac Walters brings the origin of the Illusive Man
to its explosive conclusion! The fate of mankind may come down to this
moment, as the newly enlightened Illusive Man launches a movement that
will upset the balance of power across the galaxy. But will he prove to
be the universe’s savior—or its destroyer? This story will have a
long-lasting impact on the Mass Effect saga, and is essential reading
for fans of sci-fi action and intrigue!
• These comics are an essential, canonical part of the Mass Effect epic!
• Concludes the secret origin of the Illusive Man, a pivotal figure in the upcoming Mass Effect 3 video game.

http://www.comicbook...tEvolution4.jpg
http://www.comicbook...olution4Alt.jpg

Modifié par DirtyVagrant, 13 janvier 2011 - 08:14 .