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[Lambda Faction]

He could very well be both. But man, Illusive looks so much better on resumes. Elusive makes him look like he's running from the Police.

[Kim Shepard]

Ashwraith wrote...

I don't know about you, but if I were in his position, I'd be doing everything in my power to get Shepard on my side and keep him (or her) there. Backstabbing the Commander would be a.) way too much of a risk (not to mention potentially hazardous to one's health), and b.) the equivalent of throwing away however many billions of credits it took to bring Shepard back to life.

Even if you can't use a weapon yourself, it's better to have it in your hand than in someone else's. Breaking said weapon would, I think, be a last resort- after all, there's always the off chance you might need it again.

I agree with this. I think Shepard would have to really betray the Illusive Man for him to want to get rid of Shepard. Even if Shepard destroyed the Collector base, TIM doesn't seem like he wants to discard Shepard as a potential ally just yet. For the Shepards who are completely loyal and do everything he says without objection (I have one Shepard like this), they'll probably be just fine unless TIM betrays everyone no matter what for plot purposes... but we're going to hope that doesn't happen, right?

A choice between TIM and the Shadow Broker as an information source could be interesting, but a few of my Shepards probably made the Shadow Broker angry in ME1. xD

[Ashwraith]

That would be an interesting choice. >.>
Although, that said, I'm having a hard time imagining a stable business relationship with someone who tried to sell you to the Collectors (directly) and/or Reapers (by extension).

(Also why am I suddenly picturing a tug-of-war?

TIM: Let go! Shepard's mine!

Shadow Broker: Back off dude, I was here first! *pulls*

TIM: I said, get your own! You had your chance! *pulls back*

Shepard: My mothaf****in' ARMS! ;3; )


Personally, my Shepard thinks the Shadow Broker's face is long overdue an introduction to her fist. Long, long overdue. >.>

EDIT: Liara would make things much more appealing, this is true. And then I really would have to ponder over the choice, rather than going 'hahahaha yeah no, I think I'll just order an orbital strike on your base instead kthxbai.'

Modifié par Ashwraith, 31 mars 2010 - 11:19 .

[Kim Shepard]

...I just realized that I misread, and the post says "Liara as the new Shadow Broker." xD Somehow, I don't see Liara taking over for the Shadow Broker after she kills him, though it would make a hard choice for my Shepard who romanced Liara and sided with TIM. Poor Liara, he would choose the guy who can help him defeat the Reapers over her. (Well, if he says it like that, his choice seems logical.)

As for the original Shadow Broker, my Shepards would want to enter each others games, team up to find him, and bring the heavy weapons. > No one sells their bodies to the Reapers and gets away with it.

Edit: Tug-of-war. xD Didn't see that before I posted. Too bad my Shepard who likes TIM couldn't be awake/alive to hear him say "She's mine! Get your own!"

Modifié par Kim Shepard, 31 mars 2010 - 11:18 .

[DirtyVagrant]

Just a thought I had, perhaps already been mentioned or likewise mused about. But you know the three buttons on TIM's clothes? On his chest, on the sleeves, and then the three dots in his cybernetic eyes arranged in a similar pattern?
Perhaps representative of the three heads of the mythical Cerberus?

Modifié par DirtyVagrant, 02 avril 2010 - 01:49 .

[Notho]

Again with props to Shadow Aeons.

Seriously, I'm looking forward to seeing him in ME3. (Probably through the scope of a sniper rifle)

[Lambda Faction]

Vagrant:



Demon eyes or not, I like 'em. I wish I had a pair. I'd go around scaring people at night. (Though, I could stare at his eyes all day.)



No killing of Illusive Man so quickly. You'll make most people in this thread very sad (or angry. They'll send the "army" after you, if you catch my drift.)



Starting to miss Zulu. ¬_¬

[Kim Shepard]

I never noticed that the three dots in TIM's eyes could relate to the three heads of Cerberus. That's interesting. I've seen that comparison with the buttons before, but I didn't realize it could apply to the eyes too.



"Stare into my glowing demon eyes." Awesome. xD Some of my Shepards happen to like staring at the Illusive Man's eyes. The one who has a crush on him is spending a longer time debating about keeping her scars/red eyes than she did for any major galaxy-altering decisions. (She would like the glowing red cybernetic just-like-TIM demon eyes, but not the scars.)



If killing TIM is an option in ME3... I don't know if I'd be able to make the Shepards who would want to kill him actually do it. D: I guess it depends on what he does in ME3, but he's one of my favorite characters. So, obviously, TIM just needs to give my paranoid Sole Survivor Shepard (and a few others) a good reason to keep him alive.

[smudboy]

[Ashwraith]

Lawl Batman. XD
Hey, I thought that was Garrus's job.

Anyway! I'm throwing in my lot with the people who could stare into TIM's glowing demon eyes all day. XD
I quite like his eyes- and that's an interesting theory about the triple-dot motif. It's possible, and a much better explanation than the one I had up to that point. (Namely, he's secretly the owner of Linux.)

I do hope we aren't forced to kill him in ME3. That would make me... displeased.
Although that said, it would be understandable if the player had taken the Paragon ending, as Cerberus is gunning for you now.
...Then again, I wouldn't expect he'd try anything until after the Repers were dealth with, because yanno... still kind of a problem. And stuff.

It'd be very interesting to see divergent storylines in ME3, depending on which path you chose at the end of the previous game. We had a taste of it already, with the galaxy being much more bitter and hostile toward you if the Council was left to die in ME1.

Of course, really I just want an excuse to start calling my Shep 'Supreme Commander Servalan'.
(Though Joker does that already. >.> )

[Kim Shepard]

I have one Sole Survivor who will give the base to the Illusive Man. He really wants TIM to say that the experiments on Akuze were done by a faction that went rogue, even if it's a lie. xD If TIM was actually behind it, and he tells that Shepard, I can definitely see him saying, "What did you tell me that for? You know I can't handle the truth!" Then he'd keep working with Cerberus anyway because he kind of told off the Council/Alliance and he's really glad that TIM brought him back to life.

The other Shepards... they can be convinced to keep TIM alive if it's for the sake of defeating the Reapers. Saving the galaxy is the most important thing, after all. Still, if killing him is an option, I'll play through the Shepards who like him first (or most of them, and save some for later so my last playthrough doesn't end like that). I want him to live! D: My favorite characters tend to get killed off.

There isn't a limit on number of playthroughs, is there? >.>; Because I've planned a lot of them.

[Saurumn39]

The Illusive Man and Commander Shepard... The beginning of an unstoppable Enterprise. I looked at it this way. My favorite Shepard playthrough was an Earthborn, Ruthless Renegade who saved the council, spared the Rachni, and had Anderson's back. I was pragmatic, leaving everyone in my debt, and fulfilling my obligations. With that said, as soon as the old crew disbanded, and my former allies dusted me after everything, not even trying to persuade me to leave Cerberus or give me proof, I knew right then that working for The Illusive man was the way to go.



The Illusive Man is Charismatic, practical, and to be honest, I can empathize with his interest in experimentation. My biggest problem with saving the Collector base, is how Anderson will react, and how the galactic community will respond. Luckily there are a few ways to look at it.



1.) Cerberus is rogue, so Humanity as a whole won't suffer



2.) Cerberus dominates the Universe. Shepard has been loyal so he and T.I.M. build Rome, as Ceasar did.



3.) T.I.M. Takes over, Shepard is expendable. Shepard returns to The Alliance. I have inside info on Cerberus, Humanity is badass. If the Council freaks out, make them a deal. Cerberus is rogue. I'll protect you, Humanity is given respect because, as Shepard, I could have let them railroad you. So I've saved your lives AGAIN!



4.) If The Alliance and The Council hate me, so be it. I'll play the villain. I'll be a worthy adversary, so if the Alliance wins, they deserve to rule. If not, survival of the fittest. Cerberus gave me toys. The Counceil gave me zippo.



The races can't be judged and damned all together. Shepard and The Illusive man don't represent ALL of Humanity, just like the Turian Councilor doesn't represent ALL Turians. (Thank the Gods for That...) What I'm saying is, NO ONE besides Cerberus is taking any initiative, and the Council REALLY doesn't care about it's citizens. The Utopia they think they are protecting is admirable, but it just felt right to offer them the chance to join the fight, they spit on the hand I offered, so I am with Cerberus to the end.



If The Illusive Man asks me to Kill Anderson though, we'll have a problem. Anderson is the only thing the council has going for them. If I could persuade Saren to kill himself, I can persuade Anderson to join me, otherwise... I guess he's a regrettable sacrifice.



On a personal note: I enjoy the thought of Shepard being more dangerous then Saren, and being with Cerberus the Council and The Alliance declare me a traitor, so they send another Human SSPECTRE to take me down in ME3. The politics are so promising...



Anyway, that's my two cents. The Illusive Man brought me back from the dead and gave me everything I wanted. If the Council cares, they'll step up. If not, I still have Clan Urdnot, The Geth, The Rachni, My Crew and Cerberus behind me. Let's see the Council Top THAT!

[LKR79]

[Lambda Faction]

I am inclined to inform you, LKR, that the above is most awesome. Keep up the good work.



Too bad Anderson doesn't go all out Samuel L. Jackson-ish. I doubt there would be a problem then.



Ha, in random related news, there was a radio commercial with Martin Sheen. Couldn't help but say "Hey, it's the Illusive Man!" He was selling auto fix-its. (I know I'm a nerd, shh.)

[Jean de Valette]

LKR79 wrote...
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Liked him better when he was still known as the ellusive Cancer Man. Later in the series his character became too prominant and they changed his name.
But yeah TIM looks quite a bit like the Cancer Man. The one from the older series. Not sure TIM ever assissinated people like JFK or MLK though.

He actually strikes me as a crossover between the Cancer Man and Gordon Gekko from Wall Street.

[zr0iq]

Everytime I see him I stare at his ubuntu eyes.

[Vamp44]

@Saurumn



I like your logic. I never thought of saving the Rachni and the Council simply that they would owe me. But, now....

And possibility #2 sounds the best. haha

[LKR79]

Jean de Valette wrote...

LKR79 wrote...
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Liked him better when he was still known as the ellusive Cancer Man. Later in the series his character became too prominant and they changed his name.
But yeah TIM looks quite a bit like the Cancer Man. The one from the older series. Not sure TIM ever assissinated people like JFK or MLK though.

He actually strikes me as a crossover between the Cancer Man and Gordon Gekko from Wall Street.

I'm with you on that one as well. I liked the character more when he was more mysterious, not when he was claiming to be Mulder's father.

[Lambda Faction]

I liked early X-Files, can't say I followed much after that.



Needs more T.I.M. love... or something. Rather dead, methinks.

[scorptatious]

I like him because his VA (Martin Sheen) is the same guy who plays the president in "The West Wing". It's just a really odd coincidence, I watch that show in Government class and than when I bought ME2, there he is again. It's like he's following me...

Modifié par scorptatious, 06 avril 2010 - 05:47 .

[Lambda Faction]

Heh, I wonder if that's an even better conspiracy theory than Ubuntu. Cute, nonetheless.

[Ashwraith]

Lambda. Your new icon.

I would say something about it, but it just comes out as a jumble of disconnected syllables.

Cinematic trailer TIM had this effect on me, too. Oh ho ho Ihatemyself. >.>



In other news, I've never actually watched the X-Files. I'll have to do that some time, if for no other reason than to educate myself on who, precisely, the aforementioned Cancer Man happens to be.

[Lambda Faction]

I share the sentiment, let me assure you.

*laughs* Don't hate yourself. T.I.M. supporters are the "bestest."

(Edited - Because making a post on a touch screen is a PITA.)

Modifié par Lambda Faction, 06 avril 2010 - 09:59 .

[Vamp44]

Because...*ahem*..TIM supporters are well behaved.


Like the new avatar y'got going there, btw.

[Commissar Gash]

My Spacer/Ruthless Soldier Shephard supports Shephard and Cerberus fully.

They gave me a new ship, my Shephard is only happy if he's on a ship.

Cerberus doesn't ask me stupid questions, they just give me resources and say do it.

Me and TiM have the same goals (stop The Reapers, take over The Galaxy, better seats in space ships etc.)



If TiM orders me to kill Miranda/Legion,/Garrus/Anderson/Joker or do something against Humanity I won't do it.

If he orders me to kill the New Council or to commit genocide of the Quarian or Batarian Race, I will do it without asking any questions, but I will need bigger guns.



I'm proud that I'm a part of Cerberus and if Council or Ash don't like it then they go f*ck themselves.