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Feraele wrote...

One thing I keep noticing..for approvals, you get disapproval points from someone..like say Oghren, for something entirely outside of what you did personally..it has to do with Felsi or it has to do with something else. This is my second-run through started noticing that. Also if you deal with the chantry, even if someone isn't in your party at the time, the disapproval thing comes up for say...Nathaniel. Is this a bug? If it is..it needs fixing, if it isn't..its not how it worked before.

How can someone disapprove of your actions if they are back at base and not with you? I witnessed this with two companion characters.

Losing approval this way doesn't seem fair....does it? Yes..yes I know..life isn't fair. Still...Bioware??


Actually it is an extension of what happens in Origins with the Ashes quest. Even if Wynne is not in your party she will confront you about defiling the ashes and will leave. Lelianna also will confront you if she is not in the party and you defile the ashes except you can lie to her. Your party members talk to each other not just the ones in your party. Is it fair? Life happens that way doesn't it.

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the real Bioware died after mass effect 2

I hear its called EA now.....

Modifié par Masticetobbacco, 22 mars 2010 - 01:24 .


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I will get this expansion if they release a boxed copy in the UK for the PS3. I never expect too much from expansions as they normally add one additional environment and change some of the skills etc, this seems to have done more than this so I would be happy with it I think (although it is something I would have to make my own mind about)



The thing for me is that for some really bizarre reason the UK does not get a boxed PS3 version? why not? Blu-Rays too expensive for EA?

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I enjoyed the story and the game in general the only part I didn't like was the fact that it costs $40.

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HAHA suckers Dawn of War II expansion totally owns Dragon Age Expansion, i made the right purchase from what ive read.


that's a joke right? chaos rising was lame.. so short, and useless.. now if you'd turned into a chaos commander unit upon getting full evil, that would have been spanktastic.. and the fact you couldn't redeem yourself but the other squadmates could.. don't get  me started..

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back on topic though.. yeah i wasn't impressed with Awakening, especially considering the asking price.. it's meant to be an expansion yeah.. so why so many changes, it should add to, not deviate from.. and why can't you carry items over (and none of this "cos they said you couldn't bollox" i want a proper answer as to why - financial constraints, time constraints, whatever it may be...) honestly the textures are there already there's no valid reason i can think of why the gear wont carry over other than they were being lazy and wanted to release a half-assed expansion to ca$h in on DA:O



just my $0.02 worth

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Masticetobbacco wrote...

the real Bioware died after mass effect 2

I hear its called EA now.....


unfortunately EA got their claws, paws, tentacles.. whatever.. into bioware long before ME2.. i still say Bioware is a great design company, they just picked the wrong backers.. EA have never had a good reputation as far as i'm concerned and if this wasn't a bioware product, i wouldnt have bought it purely cos of the EA tag

Modifié par ChaosUndivded, 22 mars 2010 - 02:50 .


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It is a fail in some ways. But in my opinion it was released to soon it is bugged and glitched to all hell, crash bugs, and runtime error crashes to name two. I've completed the expansion twice and the game crashed 20-30 by the time of completing 1 run through.



With my computer specs that should not be an issue.



I7 920 overclocked to a 3.6 Ghz, EVGA X-58 Motherboard, Corsair Dominator DDR3 Triple channel 12 GB, 1600, Western Digital 640GBx2 32mb cache black edition HD run in raid 0, EVGA GTX 275 1792mb Superclocked Editions x2 in SLI, Creative SB X-FI Pro Gamers sound card, Antec 1000w power supply, Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit OS

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Masticetobbacco wrote...

the real Bioware died after mass effect 2

I hear its called EA now.....


You know... I loved Bioware when it was still Bioware. Bioware meant very little troubleshooting (if any) and great interaction with the public. I still remember going to every IRC chat meeting with the developers when Baldur's Gate and it's follow-ups (Icewind Dale, Neverwinter Nights, etc.) and feeling like I was part of the 'team.' Now... in my opinion, it's gone from being a player-oriented community to a corporate juggernaut. The amount of problems I've had with Dragon Age on a custom-built machine is just horrendous. It's on par with Ubisoft's Pool of Radiance. What has happened to Dr. Ray Muzyka? Did EA just buy him off or does he not care anymore about the products Bioware produces. I can care less what the PR people say... the quality of the product has not improved when there are so many technical problems. It's a shame. I can only hope the Dragon Age team wakes up and reads the forums and actually try to find solutions to all the bugs. In the meantime, I am going to play Betheseda games (former Black Isle staff) until the fixes come in for Awakenings. I am so disappointed in blowing $40 for an expansion that isn't compatible with OFFICIAL DLC that I blew money on. What a ripoff.

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It was not an "Epic Fail", it just wasn't the "Epic Masterpiece" people were hoping for.

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ChaosUndivded wrote...

back on topic though.. yeah i wasn't impressed with Awakening, especially considering the asking price.. it's meant to be an expansion yeah.. so why so many changes, it should add to, not deviate from.. and why can't you carry items over (and none of this "cos they said you couldn't bollox" i want a proper answer as to why - financial constraints, time constraints, whatever it may be...) honestly the textures are there already there's no valid reason i can think of why the gear wont carry over other than they were being lazy and wanted to release a half-assed expansion to ca$h in on DA:O

just my $0.02 worth



Only $0.02 worth...I think you're undervaluing your opinion.

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Ubertax wrote...

Only $0.02 worth...I think you're undervaluing your opinion.


no no no :P trust me.. that is the cheap/abbreviated version.. i'm the guy the teachers used to hate cos a 3 page essay turned into a short novel.. i had to learn to be brief, it was difficult..

Modifié par ChaosUndivded, 22 mars 2010 - 03:45 .


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It's an average product from a company that isn't known for releasing an average product. The problem is that people expected a lot better from Bioware and that's why there's such backlash against DA:A. A lot of the fixes are simple as well, maybe taking a couple months at most to fix. Normally, Bioware would have taken those extra months to turn DA:A from an average expansion pack to a well done product. Instead, it feels like a complete cash grab; it's almost like Bioware didn't really care for DA:A. And it shows: the dialogue system could have been an augment to the DA:O dialogue system, the combat could have been more interesting instead of using the same failed formula from DA:O, etc etc.

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0mar wrote...

It's an average product from a company that isn't known for releasing an average product. The problem is that people expected a lot better from Bioware and that's why there's such backlash against DA:A. A lot of the fixes are simple as well, maybe taking a couple months at most to fix. Normally, Bioware would have taken those extra months to turn DA:A from an average expansion pack to a well done product. Instead, it feels like a complete cash grab; it's almost like Bioware didn't really care for DA:A. And it shows: the dialogue system could have been an augment to the DA:O dialogue system, the combat could have been more interesting instead of using the same failed formula from DA:O, etc etc.


Yep, about right.

Companions not developed properly, combat too easy and way to many glitches. Also, the story assumes that you read the Calling.

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Skimmed through a few pages here and didn’t see anything about how long the game play is in this expansion.

So I’ll ask, about how many hours do you get with Awakenings? Is that game time worth the $40 you have to pay to get it?

I can go get Koei’s Dynasty Warriors: Strikeforce for $49.99 and that’s a full game. Paying $40 for an expansion just doesn’t feel right to me.

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For a bioware game the franchise of DA is Epic Failure. They finally caved in to the whiners and made an RPG that you can beat while snoozing at the keyboard.

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Sylixe wrote...

For a bioware game the franchise of DA is Epic Failure. They finally caved in to the whiners and made an RPG that you can beat while snoozing at the keyboard.

Yeah, those damned casuals getting all those free epics!
Oops, sorry. Wrong game, thought this was the World of Warcraft forums. The amount of crying and complaining is identical.

If you don't like it use the toolset to make it harder like other people have been doing. There are various mods that make Nightmare more of a challenge (and some that make it less, in which case you have no right to complain). If you bought the console version then that's you're own shortcoming.

Bioware are known for immersive and well written stories with good character development, not super-duper-rip-your-hair-out-and-melt-your-face difficult games. From a business point of view if a game's selling point would be it's difficulty, you'd make a lot less money and receive a lot more negative critique. Do not forget Bioware are a business before anything else.

I digress, as this is a topic about Awakening. I agree there were some holes in the game but I enjoyed it just as much as the original.

I'm just disapointed it doesn't add anything to Origins, like the talents :<

Darth Drago wrote...

Skimmed through a few pages here and didn’t see anything about how long
the game play is in this expansion.

So I’ll ask, about how many
hours do you get with Awakenings? Is that game time worth the $40 you
have to pay to get it?

I can go get Koei’s Dynasty Warriors:
Strikeforce for $49.99 and that’s a full game. Paying $40 for an
expansion just doesn’t feel right to me.

The expansion lasted me an entire day of power gaming, where Origins lasted me 2/3. I think it was well worth the money. Mind you this was only with 1 character, i've got 8 or so now.

Modifié par Fuuljo, 22 mars 2010 - 06:43 .


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Awakening was okay. I was hoping for more polish. I'd rather have an expansion that enhances the original game. Maybe add a Human commoner origin, Qunari race/origin option, new classes, more side quests, better ending etc.



Awakening offers more, but it really doesn't feel finished. It wasn't bad but it wasn't great either. Bioware needs to stay above the bar they set, otherwise people might lose interest.

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Tikkidew wrote...

Awakening was okay. I was hoping for more polish. I'd rather have an expansion that enhances the original game. Maybe add a Human commoner origin, Qunari race/origin option, new classes, more side quests, better ending etc.

Awakening offers more, but it really doesn't feel finished. It wasn't bad but it wasn't great either. Bioware needs to stay above the bar they set, otherwise people might lose interest.


I agree.

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For 40 dollars as an expansion it sucks as it really doesn't expand the game but by about 10 hours. So at around 60% of the cost of the full game you get an extra 10% of play time. The whole thing is too poorly implemented to be worth the price based on quality alone. The story lines are weak, having to keep hitting tab to know when you have a dialog chance, or watch for the flying boat to click on or the statue or a rock. It was ok for a 15 dollar DLC which is what it felt like, it took me 10 mins to download it, that should have been a clue it was going to be weak.

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DAO A = Epic Win! Best expansion since ToB

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yes it is a fail.. by bioware standards... fail yes.

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Sylixe wrote...

For a bioware game the franchise of DA is Epic Failure. They finally caved in to the whiners and made an RPG that you can beat while snoozing at the keyboard.


Agreed.

Well, not the keyboard part, but console controller and snoozing for sure. I wish I never bought it.

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Fuuljo wrote...

Sylixe wrote...

For a bioware game the franchise of DA is Epic Failure. They finally caved in to the whiners and made an RPG that you can beat while snoozing at the keyboard.

Yeah, those damned casuals getting all those free epics!
Oops, sorry. Wrong game, thought this was the World of Warcraft forums. The amount of crying and complaining is identical.

If you don't like it use the toolset to make it harder like other people have been doing. There are various mods that make Nightmare more of a challenge (and some that make it less, in which case you have no right to complain). If you bought the console version then that's you're own shortcoming.

Bioware are known for immersive and well written stories with good character development, not super-duper-rip-your-hair-out-and-melt-your-face difficult games. From a business point of view if a game's selling point would be it's difficulty, you'd make a lot less money and receive a lot more negative critique. Do not forget Bioware are a business before anything else.

I digress, as this is a topic about Awakening. I agree there were some holes in the game but I enjoyed it just as much as the original.

I'm just disapointed it doesn't add anything to Origins, like the talents :<

Darth Drago wrote...

Skimmed through a few pages here and didn’t see anything about how long
the game play is in this expansion.

So I’ll ask, about how many
hours do you get with Awakenings? Is that game time worth the $40 you
have to pay to get it?

I can go get Koei’s Dynasty Warriors:
Strikeforce for $49.99 and that’s a full game. Paying $40 for an
expansion just doesn’t feel right to me.

The expansion lasted me an entire day of power gaming, where Origins lasted me 2/3. I think it was well worth the money. Mind you this was only with 1 character, i've got 8 or so now.


/sarcasm on
You get a Fanboy +5 cookie for your efforts.
/sarcasm off

Seriously though i am not comparing this to the huge steaming pile over there at blizzard.  I am rightly comparing this to OTHER bioware RPG's and this one doesn't have the kind of difficulty that those games brought to the table. 

I have tried the mods and even done a little on my own especially testing certain MOB AI scripts and there's nothing out there that can make this game anything harder than Diablo 2 on Nightmare, which BTW isn't really all that tough but provides you with at least SOME challenge.  All the mods for the games difficulty don't address the problem of the mob AI's scripting being severly lacking.  To bring real difficulty to the game the mobs need their own seperate AI and have it be rough drafted to a coder so that it's counter based to the scripting your party uses rather than one that mimics your party.

Having a story is great but i don't buy games for my computer, yes i don't play on a weak ass platform,  to read a book that i can pickup off the shelf for about a quarter of the price they soaked me for this thing.  I have always had great experiences with bioware products but this one feels like someone in a suit got a hold of it and forced it out the door before the QA department got a chance to fully polish it.

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I can't believe people actually think the expansion was worth $40. Frankly I'm pissed I encouraged bioware to crap out less for more by buying it before reading reviews.



Complete joke, epic fail, yes, nowhere near as good as the other expansions I've seen them put out. Incredibly sad. Spent all their dev time on a barely explained mutie and a disgusting ******-monster.



Would have been better spent on the actually awesome companions that you can't talk to. Management fail.