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[BaladasDemnevanni]

Well, if they're paragon Shep, they're obviously not corrupt.  

A paragon Shepard could also say Spectre status is too much power for one man. Hell, if you could turn down that power, it would be a wonderful expansion to the plot of ME1.

[Schroing]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

Pro-life is hardly a right-wing Christian exclusive viewpoint.

yes it is.

Well, I'm done here.

[thegreateski]

"I'm Commander Shepard and nobody cares about my feelings."



"I should go"

[KarmaTheAlligator]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

The sole survivor bit was about having problems working for Cerberus, methinks, not about being believed by the council.

I can understand that, but alot of the issues which come up are about plot holes. ME1 had its own fair share, which I guess I could have been a bit clearer on. I'm not saying ME2 doesn't have issues, but I think a plot should be given some leeway. If we analayze it enough, we can find multiple holes. I have no problem accepting the Council sending me after Saren, just as I accept TIM sending me after the Collectors.

Ah yes, "plotholes"... Sorry, couldn't resist. I'll wait until ME 3 is out before calling anything a plothole.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Terraneaux wrote...

1. We weren't looking at a civil war when the last administration was milking 9/11 and terrorism for every last iota of fear, either.  However, there was plenty of discontent - Quarians, Volus, Krogan, all three of those species were chafing under the rule of the Council.  Humans too, until they got a seat.  

2. But what it comes down to, is that coming back to life is a huge deal.  Instead Shepard just takes it in stride, like every other thing that happens in ME2 (Except Jack.  Shepard is scared of Jack jumping over beds, of course.  Because Jack is a BADASS PUNK GRRL.  Love her.  Please. -EA marketing team)

1. True, but they were able to milk the situation so that people would vote Republican in the coming election. They took something outside their control, 9/11, and turned it to their advantage. The idea here seems to be take something no one is aware of, the Reapers, and cause a panic storm. Again, the Council is not exactly loaded with resources following their reparations.
 
I also find your species examples interesting. The Quarians' government consists of the Flotila- they have their own issues to take care and are not associate members. The Volus are extremely reliant on the Turians and aren't close to rebellion. And you'd be hard-pressed to find a Krogan interested in politics. Humans get a seat no matter which ending you choose, I believe. Affairs aren't

2. Meh, Shepard takes most things in stride. I don't recall him crying when Ashley/Kaidan died, although it struck me pretty hard.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

KarmaTheAlligator wrote...

Ah yes, "plotholes"... Sorry, couldn't resist. I'll wait until ME 3 is out before calling anything a plothole.

Same. ME2's success or failure depends on how integrated it is with ME3. For now, it was a damn good time.

[Terraneaux]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

2. Meh, Shepard takes most things in stride. I don't recall him crying when Ashley/Kaidan died, although it struck me pretty hard.

Shepard comes off as fairly stoic in ME1.  In ME2 Shepard has *no* characterization whatsoever.  


People know about the Reapers.  The Alliance knows.  The Quarians know.  It's not exactly a secret.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Terraneaux wrote...

Shepard comes off as fairly stoic in ME1.  In ME2 Shepard has *no* characterization whatsoever.  

People know about the Reapers.  The Alliance knows.  The Quarians know.  It's not exactly a secret.

How does the Alliance know? How do the Quarians know? Anderson believed you, but he's not the spokesperson. Even Udina is skeptical of the Reaper threat throughout ME1. He's just the type who would pretend it never happened for political gain.

'Stoic' doesn't exactly give me much hope for the character. I just think it's consistent between both games that he's the kind of person who tries to keep the bigger picture in mind, even dying. Throughout both games, he's not really characterized with any traits beyond 'dedication' and such.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 20 mars 2010 - 12:50 .

[Terraneaux]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Terraneaux wrote...

Shepard comes off as fairly stoic in ME1.  In ME2 Shepard has *no* characterization whatsoever.  

People know about the Reapers.  The Alliance knows.  The Quarians know.  It's not exactly a secret.

How does the Alliance know? How do the Quarians know? Anderson believed you, but he's not the spokesperson. Even Udina is skeptical of the Reaper threat.

What are you trying to say here?  That it makes sense that the Council acknowledged the Reaper threat at the end of ME1 and that the fact that all signs point to the Council's opinion being retconned to force the main character to work for Cerberus in a manner so clumsy as to ruin the characterization of the main character, the established history of many NPC's, and the veresimilitude of the game world, is a-ok?  Because it damn well isn't.  

[KarmaTheAlligator]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Terraneaux wrote...

Shepard comes off as fairly stoic in ME1.  In ME2 Shepard has *no* characterization whatsoever.  

People know about the Reapers.  The Alliance knows.  The Quarians know.  It's not exactly a secret.

How does the Alliance know? How do the Quarians know? Anderson believed you, but he's not the spokesperson. Even Udina is skeptical of the Reaper threat throughout ME1. He's just the type who would pretend it never happened for political gain.

'Stoic' doesn't exactly give me much hope for the character. I just think it's consistent between both games that he's the kind of person who tries to keep the bigger picture in mind, even dying. Throughout both games, he's not really characterized with any traits beyond 'dedication' and such.

The Quarians knowing comes from one of the novels (Ascension?)

[TheTrooper1138]

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

Pro-life is hardly a right-wing Christian exclusive viewpoint.

yes it is.

Well, I'm done here.

you might haven given some examples to back up your claim, but since you didn't, it seems I'm right... also we have no problems with abortions here in Germany, so that kinda supports my point as well...

[Schroing]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

Pro-life is hardly a right-wing Christian exclusive viewpoint.

yes it is.

Well, I'm done here.

you might haven given some examples to back up your claim, but since you didn't, it seems I'm right... also we have no problems with abortions here in Germany, so that kinda supports my point as well...

Don't procreate.

[JMA22TB]

Why do people continue to argue that Shepard needs to be a crybaby or start running his mouth to be a good hero character?



You make every decision Shepard does as the player. You *are* the characterization. I'm glad that you don't waste time ****ing about "I don't wanna work with Cerberus, I'm gonna call the Orizaba and have mommy kick your butt you meanie!" when you talk to the Illusive Man.



The fact is, you tell him I don't trust you, he points out the real threat that you spent the events of ME attempting to prove to politicians that thought the very notion was a joke. You've been dead for two years. If they didn't believe you then, why are they going to believe you now? They've had two years to play it all off as a one-time deal. Here you have someone concerned about what you're concerned about, spent billions to bring you back, and has intel on where to go as soon as you meet him. That's called a good first impression.



Sure, its fishy, especially given the history you have with their military division. But the fact is he's giving you the opportunity to fight the real enemy. Only an idiot is going to say, "Screw you I'm gonna go to the Alliance and Council to fight the Reapers. They had my back the whole time, and they'd give me everything I need to fight them."



For all of you who actually think that leaving Cerberus would be a good idea, I'm going to spell out to you what will happen if you did that.



You'd go to the Alliance, they'd put you under another Captain, probably a jackass, and tell you to shove your Reaper crap right up your politically toxic ass and fall in line, soldier.



Done and Done.

[TheTrooper1138]

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

Pro-life is hardly a right-wing Christian exclusive viewpoint.

yes it is.

Well, I'm done here.

you might haven given some examples to back up your claim, but since you didn't, it seems I'm right... also we have no problems with abortions here in Germany, so that kinda supports my point as well...

Don't procreate.

lol, you certainly sound like a right-wing Christian... again making my point stronger...

Really, think about how stupid your reply is. What about rape victims for example? Should they have a rape baby? Or does choosing not to mean they shouldn't have a baby at all, maybe at a later time, from a "real" father? Or teenage pregnancy? Sure, makes a lot of sense to have 14 year-old mothers, who were to stupid to use a condom... there are NO REAL arguments against abortion in cases of unwanted pregnancy except some nutty religious extremist ones!

[Schroing]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

Pro-life is hardly a right-wing Christian exclusive viewpoint.

yes it is.

Well, I'm done here.

you might haven given some examples to back up your claim, but since you didn't, it seems I'm right... also we have no problems with abortions here in Germany, so that kinda supports my point as well...

Don't procreate.

lol, you certainly sound like a right-wing Christian... again making my point stronger...

Really, think about how stupid your reply is. What about rape victims for example? Should they have a rape baby? Or does choosing not to mean they shouldn't have a baby at all, maybe at a later time, from a "real" father? Or teenage pregnancy? Sure, makes a lot of sense to have 14 year-old mothers, who were to stupid to use a condom... there are NO REAL arguments against abortion in cases of unwanted pregnancy except some nutty religious extremist ones!

*rubs temples*

[KarmaTheAlligator]

JMA22TB wrote...

For all of you who actually think that leaving Cerberus would be a good idea, I'm going to spell out to you what will happen if you did that.

You'd go to the Alliance, they'd put you under another Captain, probably a jackass, and tell you to shove your Reaper crap right up your politically toxic ass and fall in line, soldier.

Done and Done.

You don't really have to go back to the Alliance, you already have the backing of a lot of species as it is.

[JMA22TB]

KarmaTheAlligator wrote...

JMA22TB wrote...

For all of you who actually think that leaving Cerberus would be a good idea, I'm going to spell out to you what will happen if you did that.

You'd go to the Alliance, they'd put you under another Captain, probably a jackass, and tell you to shove your Reaper crap right up your politically toxic ass and fall in line, soldier.

Done and Done.

You don't really have to go back to the Alliance, you already have the backing of a lot of species as it is.

You're right, you're Shepard. There are plenty of options. But the fact is Cerberus is dealing with the very threat you've been trying to prove to someone who has the resources to do something about it, and it's an opportune time to make progress on that front.

I'm just making the point that the outcry people have of wanting to throw a self-destructive **** fit the moment they have to consider working with Cerberus has no merit or productive result in sight given the context of the events.

[TheTrooper1138]

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

Pro-life is hardly a right-wing Christian exclusive viewpoint.

yes it is.

Well, I'm done here.

you might haven given some examples to back up your claim, but since you didn't, it seems I'm right... also we have no problems with abortions here in Germany, so that kinda supports my point as well...

Don't procreate.

lol, you certainly sound like a right-wing Christian... again making my point stronger...

Really, think about how stupid your reply is. What about rape victims for example? Should they have a rape baby? Or does choosing not to mean they shouldn't have a baby at all, maybe at a later time, from a "real" father? Or teenage pregnancy? Sure, makes a lot of sense to have 14 year-old mothers, who were to stupid to use a condom... there are NO REAL arguments against abortion in cases of unwanted pregnancy except some nutty religious extremist ones!

*rubs temples*

another really insightful comment... :innocent:

[Schroing]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

Pro-life is hardly a right-wing Christian exclusive viewpoint.

yes it is.

Well, I'm done here.

you might haven given some examples to back up your claim, but since you didn't, it seems I'm right... also we have no problems with abortions here in Germany, so that kinda supports my point as well...

Don't procreate.

lol, you certainly sound like a right-wing Christian... again making my point stronger...

Really, think about how stupid your reply is. What about rape victims for example? Should they have a rape baby? Or does choosing not to mean they shouldn't have a baby at all, maybe at a later time, from a "real" father? Or teenage pregnancy? Sure, makes a lot of sense to have 14 year-old mothers, who were to stupid to use a condom... there are NO REAL arguments against abortion in cases of unwanted pregnancy except some nutty religious extremist ones!

*rubs temples*

another really insightful comment... :innocent:

Do you have google in Germany?

[TheTrooper1138]

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

Pro-life is hardly a right-wing Christian exclusive viewpoint.

yes it is.

Well, I'm done here.

you might haven given some examples to back up your claim, but since you didn't, it seems I'm right... also we have no problems with abortions here in Germany, so that kinda supports my point as well...

Don't procreate.

lol, you certainly sound like a right-wing Christian... again making my point stronger...

Really, think about how stupid your reply is. What about rape victims for example? Should they have a rape baby? Or does choosing not to mean they shouldn't have a baby at all, maybe at a later time, from a "real" father? Or teenage pregnancy? Sure, makes a lot of sense to have 14 year-old mothers, who were to stupid to use a condom... there are NO REAL arguments against abortion in cases of unwanted pregnancy except some nutty religious extremist ones!

*rubs temples*

another really insightful comment... :innocent:

Do you have google in Germany?

Why should I google the arguments you claim to have? Either you have real arguments, then you could just write them down, or you don't. Simple.

[KarmaTheAlligator]

JMA22TB wrote...

KarmaTheAlligator wrote...

JMA22TB wrote...

For all of you who actually think that leaving Cerberus would be a good idea, I'm going to spell out to you what will happen if you did that.

You'd go to the Alliance, they'd put you under another Captain, probably a jackass, and tell you to shove your Reaper crap right up your politically toxic ass and fall in line, soldier.

Done and Done.

You don't really have to go back to the Alliance, you already have the backing of a lot of species as it is.

You're right, you're Shepard. There are plenty of options. But the fact is Cerberus is dealing with the very threat you've been trying to prove to someone who has the resources to do something about it, and it's an opportune time to make progress on that front.

I'm just making the point that the outcry people have of wanting to throw a self-destructive **** fit the moment they have to consider working with Cerberus has no merit or productive result in sight given the context of the events.

Well they wouldn't be my first choice, but we did work with them anyway. But to be honest, I was really hoping and waiting for the option to dump them. TIM just rubs me the wrong way, and I hate taking orders from such people.

[Schroing]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

Pro-life is hardly a right-wing Christian exclusive viewpoint.

yes it is.

Well, I'm done here.

you might haven given some examples to back up your claim, but since you didn't, it seems I'm right... also we have no problems with abortions here in Germany, so that kinda supports my point as well...

Don't procreate.

lol, you certainly sound like a right-wing Christian... again making my point stronger...

Really, think about how stupid your reply is. What about rape victims for example? Should they have a rape baby? Or does choosing not to mean they shouldn't have a baby at all, maybe at a later time, from a "real" father? Or teenage pregnancy? Sure, makes a lot of sense to have 14 year-old mothers, who were to stupid to use a condom... there are NO REAL arguments against abortion in cases of unwanted pregnancy except some nutty religious extremist ones!

*rubs temples*

another really insightful comment... :innocent:

Do you have google in Germany?

Why should I google the arguments you claim to have? Either you have real arguments, then you could just write them down, or you don't. Simple.

Do you know what the term "common knowledge" means?
Do you understand how it applies to debates and intellectualism in general? 
Germany does have schools as well, yes?

[KarmaTheAlligator]

Guys, get you own thread to discuss this, would you?

[Little Paw]

To the OP:

Atheism solves a lot of issues for me that the original poster brings up.

She was saved by science, and medical fact.

Religion and/or philosophical pretense is a made up reality that has no bearing on this fact.

Fact, she was dead.

Fact, she is now alive.

That is all I need.

Man should make his own reality, rather than believe in a made up one.

[TheTrooper1138]

Schroing wrote...

Do you know what the term "common knowledge" means?
Do you understand how it applies to debates and intellectualism in general? 
Germany does have schools as well, yes?

Well, excuse me, if we don't learn about American extremist movements in German schools...   
Look, there's no such thing as "pro-life" over here, abortions are generally accepted and nobody is making a fuss about it. And the impression we have over here, is that it's an American right-wing Christian thing. Now, if you are an American and know better, either tell me about it, or if I'm right, then just stfu...
I bet you don't know about what's going on over here concerning public opinion or movements, so can your arrogance...