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[Jab0r]

Arttis wrote...

I hate all the downloading...i want it all on 1 or more discs....why why have video games evolved this way...

Because what gets on the game disks has to be finalized well in advance of the release. You can't press and package millions of disks the night before release day.

Modifié par Jab0r, 18 octobre 2009 - 09:36 .

[Terwox_]

Eshaye wrote...

Robert Emerald wrote...

The day 1 DLC was created so I could have more fun. Any other questions?

That's pretty much all I care about too. What?? More content? Well okay!!

Couldn't agree more

[brusin]

I love pirate hats. Hope there will be some classy pirate outfit in game. Pirate origin would be cool as well.

[GrimfartDeathsiege]

Arttis wrote...

I hate all the downloading...i want it all on 1 or more discs....why why have video games evolved this way...

I totally agree!!! It took me 4 days and nearly 30 attempts to download DOW2 from Steam a few weeks ago!

On the subject of pirates, I'm not sure that everyone here understands how they work... Often
one of them from a group will buy a game and it's
expansions/DLC/whatever, then the group works to remove its security,
and often its need for registry keys. Then it's a simple job of
uploading it as a torrent. The hardest part is probably telling the
software that it doesn't require the disc (change one or two commands
in game.dat usually). It's not hard, and it's precisely why pirating is
so easy... As it's all done from a legitimate copy! Of course, there are undoubtedly hundreds of different ways it can be done, but this one provides an easy explaination

*naughty pirates need a spanking!*

Apologies for not being on-topic, but people have already said everything I would say!

[Taleroth]

Arandomindividual wrote...

Won't people just pirate the Digital Deluxe Edition where the DLC is integrated? Hm.

1) DDE does not have DLC integrated.
2) Day 1 DLC has nothing to do with piracy.  It's about making money with direct sales that cannot be resold.  In the case of free day 1 DLC, it's simply to discourage buying used.

[SheffSteel]

Reasons for offering DLC (mostly free) from day one, in order:-

(1) Limit the resale market. People will be more likely to buy a new copy, because they get a good deal of extras (e.g. The Stone Prisoner) thrown in.

(2) Make money from the resale market. People who buy a used game may decide to pay for DLC (e.g. The Stone Prisoner).

(3) Limit piracy. Even though any and all material may be pirated in time, in the meanwhile, the game will sell. Further, the situation with premium DLC, free DLC, and the various user accounts, codes and registrations may confuse many customers into taking the simple option that is sure to work - paying for a legitimate copy.

[Xerxes8933A]

It has nothing to do with Piracy, and will not affect it at all. It's to combat used game sales.



EA can only sell a copy of the game once, after that it's used and they get no money from any more sales of it. Just like the used market for every single other product out there. If Paramount Pictures sells me a copy of the new movie "2 Peanuts on a Fencepost" they get paid. If I give my copy to a friend, he doesn't have to pay Paramount again to watch the movie, it's already been paid for.



This type of DLC is a way for EA to make money twice on the same sale. It's BS, yeah. But I buy pretty much everything from Steam/D2D/Impulse anyway, so it doesn't affect me. It will go away in a decade or so, when all games are sold by Digital Distribution and there is no more used game market.

[Guy4142]

It is not going to stop piracy, i have yet to see any game with *new* DRM not be cracked.

Spore, Sims 3, Crysis and MW2 were cracked and released weeks before release dates, Actually wikipedia tells me MW2 was cracked and released yesterday...scary.



Either way these pirates are pretty good hackers, and it's a competition thing, they don't get paid they just do it for the hell of it, so i doubt it's ever going to stop and i doubt they are ever going to be discouraged. At the same time i don't think anyone loses money, who ever plays a pirated game is never going to buy that game anyway, less pirated games just means less people playing games.

[xioth]

Arttis wrote...

I hate all the downloading...i want it all on 1 or more discs....why why have video games evolved this way...

Um.... look at the first post?

[Smokethagod]

Taleroth wrote...

Arandomindividual wrote...

Won't people just pirate the Digital Deluxe Edition where the DLC is integrated? Hm.

1) DDE does not have DLC integrated.
2) Day 1 DLC has nothing to do with piracy.  It's about making money with direct sales that cannot be resold.  In the case of free day 1 DLC, it's simply to discourage buying used.

You sure about that? Thats the whole reason its deluxe. It comes with it for the pc.

[allothernamesweretaken]

Davidus wrote...

potential buyers will buy the game if it's good enough.
bad game = bad sales
good game = good sales

Psychonauts
Beyond Good and Evil
Okami
Viewtiful Joe
Ico

Just to name a few.

[Darpaek]

I don't know if Bio's planning to make their 5-years-in-development opus a test case for anti-piracy measures. It's not like all the Fallout 3 DLC isn't widely available through torrents anyways.



I suspect it has a lot more to do with recouping the costs of a 5 year development cycle.

[allothernamesweretaken]

Davidus wrote...

potential buyers will buy the game if it's good enough.
bad game = bad sales
good game = good sales

Psychonauts
Beyond Good and Evil
Okami
Viewtiful Joe
Ico

Just to name a few.

[Sledge454]

- Archangel - wrote...

Also, I don't buy any of the devs pretty statements about schedules and why they have day 1 DLC. 

Have you ever worked at a job that requires planning *well* ahead to meet a fairly rigid set of milestones/dates?

I'm guessing no 

[- Archangel -]

GrimfartDeathsiege wrote...

Arttis wrote...

I hate all the downloading...i want it all on 1 or more discs....why why have video games evolved this way...

I totally agree!!! It took me 4 days and nearly 30 attempts to download DOW2 from Steam a few weeks ago!

On the subject of pirates, I'm not sure that everyone here understands how they work... Often
one of them from a group will buy a game and it's
expansions/DLC/whatever, then the group works to remove its security,
and often its need for registry keys. Then it's a simple job of
uploading it as a torrent. The hardest part is probably telling the
software that it doesn't require the disc (change one or two commands
in game.dat usually). It's not hard, and it's precisely why pirating is
so easy... As it's all done from a legitimate copy! Of course, there are undoubtedly hundreds of different ways it can be done, but this one provides an easy explaination

*naughty pirates need a spanking!*

Apologies for not being on-topic, but people have already said everything I would say!

I've also done my time under the Jolly Roger...

Pirating isn't as simple as you make it sound....

Often the cracked games are buggy and unstable...you get no patch support...etc...

Of course sometimes it's super easy and the pirated game works as good if not better than the original....

[ChandlerL]

According to various Bioware interviews and press releases, the content was frozen a number of months ago but rather than releasing the game in the state it was in, they said it needed further polishing. This usually means bug squashing but not content changes-- in the meantime, DLC development was full steam ahead -- while the release date of the game was being pushed back, some of the DLC was completed. I believe the last push back was a release date of October 20th pushed to November 3rd.

[Highlen]

To be honest most wouldn't care about dlc if there going to pirate the game.

also you reading to much into it, dlc was content that just didn't make it into the game

Modifié par Highlen, 02 novembre 2009 - 10:40 .

[ByblosHex]

The DLC are already available to Pirates and still not available to legit players.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

I disagree with you that the DLC was intentionally made to discourage piracy. I do think however that not including the DLC in the game files is for that very purpose, forcing you to download it from EA. Of course... it's probably not too difficult to aquire the DLC anyway. Someone is bound to get it and post it up in the same place pirates would find the full game.

[ByblosHex]

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

I disagree with you that the DLC was intentionally made to discourage piracy. I do think however that not including the DLC in the game files is for that very purpose, forcing you to download it from EA. Of course... it's probably not too difficult to aquire the DLC anyway. Someone is bound to get it and post it up in the same place pirates would find the full game.

Just like the full game, once the fiorst person has it they "share" it with the entire internet. The sad part is the Pirates have the game and all of the DLCs including the special pre-order items before the legit players even have the game.

[everythingelsewastaken2]

To test this I went out to see if I could get the entire game DLC included. I did. If this indeed is what this 1day DLC horse crap was for it didn't work and before you have a freakin cow yes i bought the damn game. 1 day DLC is just dirty dirty dirty.

[Vilanova]

- Archangel - wrote...

To discourage piracy.  Yes, they can still steal the base game, but all of the DLC will be tied to your account.  In essence they are making you register your game...they are just doing it in a very painless way.  Expect to see more of it for games in the future, not less.  That's why there are so many ways to get most of the DLC free.  If it were a money grab as some are complaining, we'd be paying for most of it.  Also, I don't buy any of the devs pretty statements about schedules and why they have day 1 DLC. 

This isn't meant as a rant or complaint.

genius.

[mojo0080]

erm guys as much as i hate piracy, just a quick look on a popular torrent site shows working dlc for dao, confirmed to be working and even containing the collectors edition items