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[enormousmoonboots]

The Rachni Queen on Noveria mentions "a tone from space" that forced the
rachni to "resonate with its own sour yellow note". This hints that
there may have been more to the Rachni Wars than the Council was aware
of. This is confirmed in Mass Effect 2, depending on whether you
released the Queen, by a message given to Shepard by an asari who is in
service to the newly freed Queen. The asari tells Shepard that the Queen
believes Shepard is fighting the enemy who "soured" the rachni. She
also states that the queen is building an army to fight them when they
arrive in force, based on an otherwise unexplored planet. Shepard
concludes that the message is referring to the Reapers, either through
agents, such as the Collectors, or directly.

From the Wiki.

Okay, so the Rachni Wars were caused by indoctrination, right? Well, indoctrination by who? Sovereign is a possibility, but his function was to open the Citadel relay, not indoctrinate an entire species (also raises the question of 'where exactly was Sovereign, before the game started?' Did the Reapers send him out 'on foot' once the Citadel Relay didn't open? Was he waiting in the galaxy? Maybe at the Collector Base?).

Any thoughts? If it wasn't Sovereign, then there's another Reaper/Reaper agent floating around the rachni homeworld. I don't think the Collectors can indoctrinate...

[dipdunk]

I would say Sovereign would only need to indoctrinate a queen. She would make the rest fall in line.

[Vaenier]

All speculation. No proof exists as to the origin of the tone or the existence of the tone in the first place beyond the word of the queen.

It is most likely she is telling the truth given the events leading up to your encounter, and actions since release.

[Goodwood]

Shandepared wrote...

Is there any proof about this "tone from space", that the queen isn't just a liar?

Still determined to hate the rachni, I see. Shame. Shame.

Or are you desparately trying to justify your continued "for the greater good" excuse for ensuring their extinction, despite the fact that in ME2 she pretty much agrees to fight the Reapers alongside Shepard?

[enormousmoonboots]

Shandepared wrote...

Is there any proof about this "tone from space", that the queen isn't just a liar?

That would be an extremely specific lie to tell. She just happened to make up something that sounds exactly like what you're fighting against?

Umanix wrote...

Maybe the rachni were indoctrinated in a
similar fashion to the scientists on the derelict Reaper from Mass
Effect 2?

There would still need to be Reaper presence around for that; I believe both Benezia and Rana Thanoptis tell you that indoctrination happens passively, just by being around a Reaper; they don't need to try, and I doubt they could turn it off even if they had a reason to.

[bbslayer_07]

It was sovereign, if you talk to Legion he'll tell you that Nazara (Sovereign) was seeking allies because the citadel relay didn't open up. Nazara "recruited" some of the geth which are now know as the heretics and also indoctrinated the rachni.



Nazara did all this cause it wasn't sure as to why the citadel wasn't responding and since it knew of the council through the extranet, it knew it couldn't just fancy a trip to the citadel whenever it wanted. So Nazara secretly organized an army to take the citadel back.

[Kumekerion]

The Queen talks about communicating through singing, or rather through some kind sound frequency no one else could hear. The Reapers could have used these sounds to control them, or at least enrage/confuse all of them. If all of the rachni had turned feral like the ones on Noveria, it would make sense that they weren't communicating anymore.

[Goodwood]

bbslayer_07 wrote...

It was sovereign, if you talk to Legion he'll tell you that Nazara (Sovereign) was seeking allies because the citadel relay didn't open up. Nazara "recruited" some of the geth which are now know as the heretics and also indoctrinated the rachni.

Nazara did all this cause it wasn't sure as to why the citadel wasn't responding and since it knew of the council through the extranet, it knew it couldn't just fancy a trip to the citadel whenever it wanted. So Nazara secretly organized an army to take the citadel back.

Pretty much this.

To which I would add: given the revelation that the Collectors were Prothean, that the Protheans and rachni are both insectoid species, and that the Reapers tend to favor forms that resemble insects and/or crustaceans, it seems possible (if a bit unlikely given the paucity of data) that they favor insectoid species for harvesting and "reproduction." Given the last true Protheans' sabotage of the Citadel, then yes Nazara would have had to take it by force, something it could not do alone.

[Kumekerion]

We're talking about 10,000 years remember, Sovereign may have been trying to take back the Citadel for some time. The Rachni failed because of the Krogan and the geth are no longer useful thanks to you and Legion.

[Ecael]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Is there any proof about this "tone from space", that the queen isn't just a liar?

That would be an extremely specific lie to tell. She just happened to make up something that sounds exactly like what you're fighting against?

Umanix wrote...

Maybe the rachni were indoctrinated in a
similar fashion to the scientists on the derelict Reaper from Mass
Effect 2?

There would still need to be Reaper presence around for that; I believe both Benezia and Rana Thanoptis tell you that indoctrination happens passively, just by being around a Reaper; they don't need to try, and I doubt they could turn it off even if they had a reason to.

Data received. Analyzing.

The Keepers were running baseline genetic comparisons between their species and humanity.

I have no hypothesis on their motivations. All I have are the preliminary results. They reveal something remarkable.

A tri-strand genetic structure, identical to traces collected from the planet Noveria. Only one race is known to have this structure: The Rachni.

These are no longer Rachni, Shepard. Their genes show distinct signs of extensive cybernetic rewrite.

The Reapers have repurposed them to suit their needs. No one has had an opportunity to study a Keeper genetic code in this detail.

Modifié par Ecael, 18 mars 2010 - 03:32 .

[Goodwood]

Nice one, Ecael.

[Vaenier]

Ecael wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Is there any proof about this "tone from space", that the queen isn't just a liar?

That would be an extremely specific lie to tell. She just happened to make up something that sounds exactly like what you're fighting against?

Umanix wrote...

Maybe the rachni were indoctrinated in a
similar fashion to the scientists on the derelict Reaper from Mass
Effect 2?

There would still need to be Reaper presence around for that; I believe both Benezia and Rana Thanoptis tell you that indoctrination happens passively, just by being around a Reaper; they don't need to try, and I doubt they could turn it off even if they had a reason to.

Data received. Analyzing.

The Keepers were running baseline genetic comparisons between their species and humanity.

I have no hypothesis on their motivations. All I have are the preliminary results. They reveal something remarkable.

A tri-strand genetic structure, identical to traces collected from the planet Noveria. Only one race is known to have this structure: The Rachni.

These are no longer Rachni, Shepard. Their genes show distinct signs of extensive cybernetic rewrite.

The Reapers have repurposed them to suit their needs. No one has had an opportunity to study a Keeper genetic code in this detail.

That makes no sence unless they timetraveled to the future to collect the Rachni...

[enormousmoonboots]

...damn, Ecael. That's actually kind of genius.



But aren't the Keepers older than the Rachni Wars? Those happened 2,000 years before Mass Effect, and the Citadel was discovered a few hundred years before that.



The only problem I have with Sovereign being the culprit is that 2,000 year gap. He indoctrinates himself an army to take the Citadel, fails, and...spends the next 2,000 years tooling around until he runs into the geth? Even with the geth, they came onto the galactic scene 300 years ago. Why did it take him so long to put them to use?

[Jonathan Shepard]

Ecael wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Is there any proof about this "tone from space", that the queen isn't just a liar?

That would be an extremely specific lie to tell. She just happened to make up something that sounds exactly like what you're fighting against?

Umanix wrote...

Maybe the rachni were indoctrinated in a
similar fashion to the scientists on the derelict Reaper from Mass
Effect 2?

There would still need to be Reaper presence around for that; I believe both Benezia and Rana Thanoptis tell you that indoctrination happens passively, just by being around a Reaper; they don't need to try, and I doubt they could turn it off even if they had a reason to.

Data received. Analyzing.

The Keepers were running baseline genetic comparisons between their species and humanity.

I have no hypothesis on their motivations. All I have are the preliminary results. They reveal something remarkable.

A tri-strand genetic structure, identical to traces collected from the planet Noveria. Only one race is known to have this structure: The Rachni.

These are no longer Rachni, Shepard. Their genes show distinct signs of extensive cybernetic rewrite.

The Reapers have repurposed them to suit their needs. No one has had an opportunity to study a Keeper genetic code in this detail.

HOSHIZ. ...that's actually plausible. That scares the crap outta me.

[Ecael]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

...damn, Ecael. That's actually kind of genius.

But aren't the Keepers older than the Rachni Wars? Those happened 2,000 years before Mass Effect, and the Citadel was discovered a few hundred years before that.

The only problem I have with Sovereign being the culprit is that 2,000 year gap. He indoctrinates himself an army to take the Citadel, fails, and...spends the next 2,000 years tooling around until he runs into the geth? Even with the geth, they came onto the galactic scene 300 years ago. Why did it take him so long to put them to use?

The Rachni Wars did not uncover the approximate date of when the Rachni came into existence. In fact, because the Rachni Wars were triggered by the opening of an unknown relay, it could be theorized that the Rachni, with their isolationist behavior, could predate many of the species that are now extinct. Thus, the unknown relay may have been another trap set by the Reapers.

It is suggested that the Rachni, despite their hive-mind intelligence, possessed space travel capabilities similar to the Protheans. They may have also found a way to prevent themselves from becoming assimilated into a Rachni Reaper, thus forcing the Reapers to repurpose them into mindless hive drones on the Citadel.

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That may be a joke.

[Goodwood]

Let's not forget the sheer distance they've got to travel to reenter the galaxy.



Going out on a limb here, but given the last scenes in the game, the fact that the Reaper fleets have to actually manually travel back into the galaxy from darkspace means that they've run clean out of quick-start options. They've got to resort to the old-fashioned "manual override" of trekking tens or hundreds of thousands of light-years across emptiness to even see new fuel sources. If the ending scene is any indication, they're at least another diameter of the Milky Way away from the outer fringes.



By the time they do arrive, they're going to be low on resources, possibly low enough that they have to start cannibalizing the older/weaker/starved among their number. At least, that's the impression I got. The "another way" that Harbinger mentions is this last-ditch effort of an en masse attack without their customary shortcuts.

[OutlawKnightZero]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

This isn't their first rodeo in the harvesting game.  They have learned a few things along the way.  Like to prepare for all contingencies for example.  Surely there are more relays in existence in the galaxy that ME has revealed to us thus far.  I assume that the galaxy map will be even larger or cover different areas than it has before.

Sounds like an excellent ME3 setup, now that by the end of ME2 you have your Reaper IIF that allows additional functions from the Relays.  That way Bioware doesn't have to retread old ground... excepet for dlc of course.

[Mallissin]

Sovereign definitely wasn't involved, but another Reaper might have been.

Sovereign was in a crater licking his wounds until 2163 but the Rachni Wars happened around 0 and they were probably corrupted long before that.

http://masseffect.wi...eviathan_of_Dis

Rachni might be left over Reaper puppets from the last cycle 50,000 years ago. Or it's just a homage to Ender's Game.

Modifié par Mallissin, 18 mars 2010 - 04:01 .