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[Kosmiker]

vhatever wrote...

Kosmiker wrote...

There's no such thing as different races among humans. Only different cultures and ethnies.

You mean ethnicities??

No matter. It's completely wrong. There are several different races on planet earth. Aborigines(nearly exctinct), negroids, mongoloids, caucasoids.

I don't know how much crack one would have  smoked to think Shep was anything other than white-caucasian. His facial features are almost stereotypical caucasian.

So how do you define a race? Can fat people be considered a particular race as well? The definition of races like negroids, mongoloids, etc.. have been almost dismissed on 20th century. Those are old definitions of the old school of anthropology from 19th century (that are now branched into different schools of thought of social study).

note: excuse me if english is not my native language.

Modifié par Kosmiker, 18 mars 2010 - 11:53 .

[vhatever]

Kosmiker wrote...

vhatever wrote...

Kosmiker wrote...

There's no such thing as different races among humans. Only different cultures and ethnies.

You mean ethnicities??

No matter. It's completely wrong. There are several different races on planet earth. Aborigines(nearly exctinct), negroids, mongoloids, caucasoids.

I don't know how much crack one would have  smoked to think Shep was anything other than white-caucasian. His facial features are almost stereotypical caucasian.

So how do you define a race? Can fat people be considered a particular race as well? The definition of races like negroids, mongoloids, etc.. have been almost dismissed on 20th century. Those are old definitions of the old school of anthropology from 19th century (that are now branched into different schools of thought of social study).

note: excuse me if english is not my native language.

Is that why in a court of law in the united states you can use DNA to exclusively identify someone's race and it is considered as valid evidence?

You can stop talking about something, but it doesn't make that something go away.

They usually hide the term "races" with terms like "clades" and "clusters" in scientific vernacular, but it's no more than verbal masturbation resultant from political correctness.

[Kosmiker]

Well, I think that explains a lot. I'm not from United States.



But since this is one of those discussions that not even dedicated science community has reached a conclusion, I'll rest my case. On my belief, there is no different races in a taxonomy approach.



Anyway, different cultures tend to see race in different ways.



Quote@Wiki "For example, in the United States the term race is used in the description of individuals (e.g. white, black, etc.), whereas in Italy it applies only to a few domesticated species, and therefore does not apply to wild animals or to humans"

[OneBadAssMother]

Modern folk and 'races'. I wonder if they should include AAPA's findings on 'races' at high school school curriculums sometimes.



Shepard's 'race' is human, and he can be what ever you like.

[vhatever]

What does you not being from the united states have to do with anything?



The problem is you don't have an advanced degree in a biological science, not that you don't live somewhere.

[Kosmiker]

vhatever wrote...

What does you not being from the united states have to do with anything?

The problem is you don't have an advanced degree in a biological science, not that you don't live somewhere.

Like I said, I don't share the same view of a "race" as people from United States.

I don't need an advanced degree of whatever to read a post in a proper way.

[vhatever]

We aren't talking about "the view of race" from people of the united states. We are talking about the REALITY as it exists in science, regardless of where you come from.



Is 1 + 1 anything other than 2 where you live?

[spacehamsterZH]

I thought there actually was no sound scientific basis to classify humans into races? How does the DNA analysis you're referring to identify people of mixed ethnical background (which I would think is a large portion of the American population)?



Anyway, Shepard's based on a Dutch guy, and that's about as white as a ******'s goin' get. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks he sounds vaguely Canadian, though.

[Kosmiker]

vhatever wrote...

We aren't talking about "the view of race" from people of the united states. We are talking about the REALITY as it exists in science, regardless of where you come from.

Is 1 + 1 anything other than 2 where you live?

When I asked you to define your vision of "race" you brought the example of USA.

But because I don't feel like hijacking the thread any further and your view of "REALITY" seems to become too narrow, you can keep the bicycle i'll keep the pedals.

[vhatever]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

I thought there actually was no sound scientific basis to classify humans into races? How does the DNA analysis you're referring to identify people of mixed ethnical background (which I would think is a large portion of the American population)?

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Same way they prove anything else in science: statistics. And it's actually a much larger portion of the US population than you probably think. African americans are, on average, ~20% caucasian genetically.

[OneBadAssMother]

If you want to talk races with what I have learnt from my studies into anthropology the 4 "color theory" of this planet have been mothballed in favor of the reality of a huge number of officially known genetic differences amongst humans.

I am a "mutt", my wife is a "mutt", and our daughter is a "mutt" though some folks considered her an abomination before she was even born. Wake up people, prejudice against an unborn baby - typical of racialists. That is what such mentalities propagate.

To hell with the word "race", Shepard is human. Oh hey, canon Shepard is Dutch, and MALE, but who the hell plays Canon? I guess my wife who plays ME shouldn't have a fully developed female character to play because it's not canon is it? Pffft.

Modifié par OneBadAssMother, 18 mars 2010 - 12:47 .

[spacehamsterZH]

vhatever wrote...

African americans are, on average, ~20% caucasian genetically.

But doesn't that prove the opposite, namely that there's barely any such thing as a pure-blooded African American anymore? I'm really not trying to be PC or confrontational here, I honestly don't understand this.

[OneBadAssMother]

And even if folks prove scientifically that Americans are just mixed up as if it would make a difference. A man with dark skin will still be black and a man with light skin will still be white... and all the racism involved with that.



Racialism is a cultural phenomen originating as far back as the Roman Empire and barbarian vs civilised to christian vs infidel to caucasiods vs non-caucasoids during the colonial era which justified annexing of foreign realms. And it has to stop one day.

[kmcd5722]

he's a rare mix of vanderlooian.

[vhatever]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

vhatever wrote...

African americans are, on average, ~20% caucasian genetically.

But doesn't that prove the opposite, namely that there's barely any such thing as a pure-blooded African American anymore? I'm really not trying to be PC or confrontational here, I honestly don't understand this.

Your confusion probaly lies in that you are trying to force the concept of "negroid" on to african americans, or you presume someone is trying to do so. But they aren't, they just happen to be a group of american society that is about 80% negroid and 20% caucasoid. Whether you consider african americans "negroid" for being predominantly negroid is completely up to you, but science doens't do that. If scientists study such a thing they will qualify  their defitions from the outset. In reality, the definition of negroid is fine, but the words "black" and "african amrican" are completely meaningless in a scientific sense.

[OneBadAssMother]

Vhatever... You act as if you are educated in anthropology yet you use the term Negroid completely ignorant of the fact that due to historical complications it has been renamed to Congoid. Even then, 4 color-theory has been debunked though some publications made by some authors especially Richard McCollugh established a sub-racial category for each one UNDER the 4 color-theory.



His views have been criticised for being American-Nationalist. Nationalist almost equates to Racism nowadays. Kinda like how Terra Firma had good ideals at first but it attracted way too many xenophobes. Nonetheless, he did acknowledge far more then just the 4-color theory at the very least.



Either way, reality is - race is some serious f--ked up **** and majority views in anthropology has already established race as a social construct. Genetic variations in human beings need to be studied nonetheless and we are currently making progress but hey, most people are mostly concerned about how they can judge people and put them in a box anyways. Ignorance is bliss.

[vhatever]

You can believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny all you want, man. I find your ignorance is bliss comment especially ironic.

[OneBadAssMother]

I expected a less pathetic response. Unfortunately I am very much disappointed.

[Mikeypage]

he was born in space, and therefore has no nationality or "race"

[vhatever]

Your whole post whose nothing but a bunch of non-sequiturs, red herrings, and an hominems. You are lucky you got any response however pathetic you might think it is.

[OneBadAssMother]

Childish and uneducated. No references at all, just lame attempts of insults. Very scientific indeed!

[Fiery Phoenix]

Wow, relax right there, guys. It's not worth the trouble.

[OneBadAssMother]

Yeah, think I came across too strongly and too holier-then-thou. Race is just a sensitive issue as a father nowadays. Done my studies and done my time as a nationalist myself. None agreed to accept my baby girl as a human being so meh, nowadays I just say "f--k race"

@Vhatever
I apologise if I insulted you mate. I owe you a beer as an apology. This is a ME forum afterall, I dont have a right to insult you outside of ME.

Modifié par OneBadAssMother, 18 mars 2010 - 02:03 .

[Sigma Tauri]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Wow, relax right there, guys. It's not worth the trouble.

Seriously,

YOU HUMANS ARE ALL RACIST!

[OneBadAssMother]

monkeycamoran wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Wow, relax right there, guys. It's not worth the trouble.

Seriously,

YOU HUMANS ARE ALL RACIST!

Heh, agreed.

ME universe really speaks close to home about such issues. Hence why I wonder sometimes why it's not a movie - Avatar was good but junk compared to ME universe.