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[Dethateer]

Since when the hell are fat people born fat?

[rwilli80]

Dethateer wrote...

Since when the hell are fat people born fat?

There are tons of fat babies/newborns.

[Cross1280]

vhatever wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

I thought there actually was no sound scientific basis to classify humans into races? How does the DNA analysis you're referring to identify people of mixed ethnical background (which I would think is a large portion of the American population)?

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Same way they prove anything else in science: statistics. And it's actually a much larger portion of the US population than you probably think. African americans are, on average, ~20% caucasian genetically.

African American is a really vague term, that is normally associated with the Black population of the US, but yet I have a co-worker from South Africa who is white as white can be, blonde hair blue eyes, born and raised in SA until she immigrated to the US. the ironic thing is the US government classifies her as African American for demographic purposes, the same with people I work with from Tunisa, and Eqypt the US considers them African Americans. So this one label is used for alot of genetic variations of skintone.

[spacehamsterZH]

vhatever wrote...

If scientists study such a thing they will qualify  their defitions from the outset. In reality, the definition of negroid is fine, but the words "black" and "african amrican" are completely meaningless in a scientific sense.

So what is the correct definition of "negroid" then? If you trace anyone's heritage back far enough, they have African ancestors.

Modifié par spacehamsterZH, 18 mars 2010 - 04:25 .

[Selor Kiith]

I thought we arrived at an Age where... Humans are humans... or like I call them just 'Terrans' (sounds just cool xD)

[vhatever]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

vhatever wrote...

If scientists study such a thing they will qualify  their defitions from the outset. In reality, the definition of negroid is fine, but the words "black" and "african amrican" are completely meaningless in a scientific sense.

So what is the correct definition of "negroid" then? If you trace anyone's heritage back far enough, they have African ancestors.

Indeed, we all probably are african if we go back far enough, way back when, but that was before there was any negroid/caucasoid/mongoloids on the planet. That original group of africans evolved into those different groups. African does not = negroid. North africa has always been caucasoid. Ever heard of the berbers(called libyans in ancient history)? Negroid refers to the peoples whom evolved in central and southern africa.

[spacehamsterZH]

vhatever wrote...

Negroid refers to the peoples whom evolved in central and southern africa.

As of when are they considered a separate race, and is there any recorded evidence of this particular DNA makeup ever having been "pure"?

[vhatever]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

vhatever wrote...

Negroid refers to the peoples whom evolved in central and southern africa.

As of when are they considered a separate race, and is there any recorded evidence of this particular DNA makeup ever having been "pure"?

This simply devolves into argument of semantics. What would be a "pure" genotype, and what even is the definition of "pure". Since evolution  is a slow process of many gradual steps, it's completely arbitrary at what point we say: "Wait, stop, this fellow who come out of africa has now become something different than what he was, he is now mongoloid/caucasoid/negroid".

[spacehamsterZH]

vhatever wrote...

it's completely arbitrary at what point we say: "Wait, stop, this fellow who come out of africa has now become something different than what he was, he is now mongoloid/caucasoid/negroid".

Well, yeah, that's the point I'm driving at. But if that's an arbitrary distinction, it's not a particularly valid scientific category. Which puts us back at square one here, I still have no idea how you define races scientifically.

[Chuvvy]

DipCheese83 wrote...

I thought it was American, but his accent is slightly Canadian.

Yeah no ****. Mark Meer is from Canada he's going to sound Canadian.

[Chuvvy]

rwilli80 wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

Since when the hell are fat people born fat?

There are tons of fat babies/newborns.

Baby's are fat when they're born because most wombs don't come equipped with treadmills.

[nelly21]

Shepard is whatever race you make him.

[Superdink]

Dethateer wrote...

Frellwit wrote...

Human. Next question.

That's his species, you idiot, not his race.

No, you're the idiot.  Shephard is part of the human race.  I think you're referring to ethnic group.  Human is not a species, ****** sapien is.

[Dethateer]

Human is an ethnicity? Since when?

By your logic, "cat" isn't a species, "felis catus" is, and "cat" is a race.
And I nearly forgot, the species is called "****** Sapiens Sapiens", you retard, not "****** Sapien".

Modifié par Dethateer, 18 mars 2010 - 09:52 .

[Rne3]

I assume Shepard is a caucasion male Soldier as he should be.

I mean that is the face plastered all over the marketing.

Modifié par Rne3, 18 mars 2010 - 09:43 .

[Tazzmission]

i think shepard is human and prothean... if you look at me1 he survived the prothean beacon wich burnt the image into his head and liara even said only prothean minds can activate it

[Dethateer]

Tazzmission wrote...

i think shepard is human and prothean... if you look at me1 he survived the prothean beacon wich burnt the image into his head and liara even said only prothean minds can activate it

She said only Prothean minds can understand it. And Vigil said it was coded so that only organic beings would be able to receive it, he didn't say what organic beings.

[ErichHartmann]

Race was an artificial term created by White Europeans to classify cultures/groups, which immediately gave rise to the justification of racism and superiority. Genetics has proven there is no scientific basis for the concept of "race". Labeling people makes it easier to discriminate against them. You are born into a certain culture, but nothing says you can't assimilate with another.

[Tazzmission]

Dethateer wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i think shepard is human and prothean... if you look at me1 he survived the prothean beacon wich burnt the image into his head and liara even said only prothean minds can activate it

She said only Prothean minds can understand it. And Vigil said it was coded so that only organic beings would be able to receive it, he didn't say what organic beings.

but also dont forget in me2 the collectors were harvesting humans and put in a dna code of prothean into them. i think the reapers are those ships wile the collectors are the ones who do this cycle of destruction

[Dethateer]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Race was an artificial term created by White Europeans to classify cultures/groups, which immediately gave rise to the justification of racism and superiority. Genetics has proven there is no scientific basis for the concept of "race". Labeling people makes it easier to discriminate against them. You are born into a certain culture, but nothing says you can't assimilate with another.

Wouldn't that apply if mankind, sorry, ****** Sapiens Sapiens was the only species with races?

[miltos33]

Shepard is a Dalish Elf.

[Sigma Tauri]

ErichHartmann wrote...
Race was an artificial term created by White Europeans to classify cultures/groups, which immediately gave rise to the justification of racism and superiority. Genetics has proven there is no scientific basis for the concept of "race". Labeling people makes it easier to discriminate against them. You are born into a certain culture, but nothing says you can't assimilate with another.

Race isn't altogether removed from scientific literature as you might think.

[nelly21]

Dethateer wrote...

Human is an ethnicity? Since when?

By your logic, "cat" isn't a species, "felis catus" is, and "cat" is a race.
And I nearly forgot, the species is called "****** Sapiens Sapiens", you retard, not "****** Sapien".

Actually, his logic is correct. "Cat" isn't a species since technically lions, tigers, bobcat, etc. are all "cats".

[Dethateer]

They're felines. But, "cat" is most commonly used to refer to house cats. And while I may have f**ked that up, "human" still isn't a race. I also failed to give the full name of the species, it's "felis silvestris catus".

Modifié par Dethateer, 19 mars 2010 - 03:36 .

[OneBadAssMother]

Monkeycamoran is right.



You see, scholars in anthropology have nothing BUT colonial-articles to go on. If they have a theory, they will need to cite sources, and unfortunately, these historical sources do have a racist note. Even modern publications, such as Baker (though not "so modern"), and McCollugh had to cite their own sources from old racialist work. The Mongoloid/Caucasiod/Negroid thing still stands. To be PC, Negroid renamed to Congoid by many groupsm, and due to studies into the utter diversity of humans - there are currently way too many races out there so people invented this term: "Subraces"



My studies in the end just taught me one important thing: How f--ked up this whole thing really is. So nowadays despite my background in my studies... I just say "**** it" Racism is cultural, remove it. Period.



I wasn't just into racialist sciences, I'm also a historian. And as for race being created by white Europeans. It originated from Barbarian VS Civilised. Tribalism exists in all cultures, but modern racialism - I have to agree, it is a European-originated thing.