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[geertmans]

I recently bought Awakening and started it and I have to say that I love it so far. I can understand the grudge towards the bugs (I started it in my underwair too , fix for this is here: http://filesmelt.com...-In-One-874.zip ). But why is everyone complaining about the story/characters? I started this game with an open mind and so far I'm really liking it and am not dissapointed. Did most people really expect the story to be as good as Origins? I get the feeling I should look out for some big dissapointment coming up in my playthrough. So tell me, what are your dissapointments with the game?

[Nukle0n]

It's a 30 dollar expansion pack, and as far as i can tell, you get over 20 hours of gameplay. Assuming that Dragon Age can do the same as ME2 and tie in the story like that is prepostrous, there are thousands of variations. If you think that using your old warden ****s up canon too much, pick the new guy.

[geertmans]

Nukle0n wrote...

It's a 30 dollar expansion pack, and as far as i can tell, you get over 20 hours of gameplay. Assuming that Dragon Age can do the same as ME2 and tie in the story like that is prepostrous, there are thousands of variations. If you think that using your old warden ****s up canon too much, pick the new guy.

I agree. How people think that would still give a coherent story is beyond me. I really don't think ME3 will be that much different than the way Bio handled ME2 or Awakening. Many people were dissapointed with the cameo's in ME2 too but I think it is necessary for creating a coherent 3rd story. Same for Awakening. This whole importing your character to the new game is a new feature.

[failsafeignition]

Three Words: Baldur's. Gate. Series.



When you claim a game is the spiritual successor to some of the greatest, most well-made RPGs out there, there's a certain amount of quality that is expected of that game.



And, honestly, bioware I do love you and what you do, but the DA series is leagues away from being the next BG.

[hawat333]

^

Agreed



Let's make it even more simple.

One word: BioWare.

[Gaddmeister]

failsafeignition wrote...

Three Words: Baldur's. Gate. Series.

When you claim a game is the spiritual successor to some of the greatest, most well-made RPGs out there, there's a certain amount of quality that is expected of that game.

And, honestly, bioware I do love you and what you do, but the DA series is leagues away from being the next BG.

Decisions didn't transfer from BG1 to BG2 either, just saying.
And Tales of the Sword Coast wasn't story related if my memory serves me right.

[worksa8]

Because I paid fifty god damn dollars, and all I got was a buggy, repetitive, 5 hour "expansion"

I've seen DLC for other games that was longer!

[Minaleth]

OP -> I like Awakening too, so far. It's just what I expected and I have fun playing.
As for BGII and it's supreme datadisk - I have recently replayed the whole thing. BG stole my heart years ago and never gave it back. I am afraid nothing will ever surpass this game - et least for me. I am actually surprised how much from it is present in DA.

Modifié par Minaleth, 18 mars 2010 - 01:44 .

[Ovidi]

failsafeignition wrote...

Three Words: Baldur's. Gate. Series.

When you claim a game is the spiritual successor to some of the greatest, most well-made RPGs out there, there's a certain amount of quality that is expected of that game.

And, honestly, bioware I do love you and what you do, but the DA series is leagues away from being the next BG.

Hey Minsc! Why are we in a cage? Actually scrub that, why are you even ALIVE, I killed you!

[Gaddmeister]

I miss Cespenar.

[Gaddmeister]

Ovidi wrote...

Hey Minsc! Why are we in a cage? Actually scrub that, why are you even ALIVE, I killed you!

Ha ha, yeah that was kind of a surprise. Still the best - freakin' - game - ever!

So I'm not too worried about DA:OA. I bet it will be pretty good even if some stuff might be messed up from my save file. And I sold my soul (a game) to the devil (Gamestop) so I only paid $17 for the expansion (instead of 43-50 like it costs where I live). Will pick it up later today.

[morel142]

It was 40 dollars (US) here. Yes the game was fun, but it's basically a 3rd rate story, short playing time, and horrible simply Horrible mixing of the first one and the 2nd one.. 2 Cameos? DLC from Bioware themselves not being transfered over..



Yes, alot of improvements, but they also outright lied about being able to choose "Your original companions or whole new ones for quests!" We get the $%$ Dwarf.. He's funny sure.. But he looks stupid in almost any armor, and he gets on your nerve after hearing the the same joke 400,000 times.



Add a 3 cardboard like new companions, that you can't start conversations with on the road, broken quests, maps, skills, and so forth and so on.. It's pretty dissapointing to see from Bioware..



Not to mention the fact that it's not very integrated with the hugely advertised and pushed toolset. Well.. What you get a is a rushed game.. They just needed story.. The Engine was already there with long term hands on exp with the tools.



Entertaining.. But 40 bucks? No way..



Hopefully The old Republic will show us the way.. /pray



For 20 dollars? Sure.. For 40? It's not worth it.

[jennamarae]

Speaking solely for myself, I loved DAO and Awakening. It's one of the best games I've ever played. I have high expectations for everything that follows it because I know Bioware is capable of doing amazing things with the DA world. They set the bar high themselves when they created DAO, so I expect more of the same and I don't think that's entirely unreasonable. Sure, there are parts of both that I found disappointing or that were not as I'd like them to be. And there are some bugs I wish they'd fixed months ago. Overall though they were both great.

With Bioware setting the bar so high from the get-go, people expect everything that follows to meet or exceed the OC. Anything that doesn't will be seen as sub-par and be a disappointment to many. They also seem to have this nasty habit of over-hyping the DLC's. Everything they've released has been hyped up to be epic, and while the DLC's were good they certainly weren't the epic tales that they were hyped up to be. That naturally is going to met with displeasure from the players.

Awakening was good, but I don't really think it qualifies as an expansion. An expansion adds to the main game and expands it, making it longer and adding things that can be done or used during the course of regular gameplay. Awakening doesn't. This, I suspect, is the cause of some of the frustration. 

[Nukenin]

morel142 wrote...

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Hopefully The old Republic will show us the way.. /pray
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I predict many of the PCs you encounter in TOR will have terribad AI and lousy writing.  Don't get your hopes up.



I have yet to finish Dragon Age: Origins proper to provide a Warden worthy of import into Awakening, so I'm just running about with an Orlesian Warden and apparently taking my sweet time about it, since by some reckoning I should've been able to finish the expansion four times over in the time I've had it.

So far Awakening has met my expectations, which were realistic.

[geertmans]

jennamarae wrote...

Speaking solely for myself, I loved DAO and Awakening. It's one of the best games I've ever played. I have high expectations for everything that follows it because I know Bioware is capable of doing amazing things with the DA world. They set the bar high themselves when they created DAO, so I expect more of the same and I don't think that's entirely unreasonable. Sure, there are parts of both that I found disappointing or that were not as I'd like them to be. And there are some bugs I wish they'd fixed months ago. Overall though they were both great.

With Bioware setting the bar so high from the get-go, people expect everything that follows to meet or exceed the OC. Anything that doesn't will be seen as sub-par and be a disappointment to many. They also seem to have this nasty habit of over-hyping the DLC's. Everything they've released has been hyped up to be epic, and while the DLC's were good they certainly weren't the epic tales that they were hyped up to be. That naturally is going to met with displeasure from the players.

Awakening was good, but I don't really think it qualifies as an expansion. An expansion adds to the main game and expands it, making it longer and adding things that can be done or used during the course of regular gameplay. Awakening doesn't. This, I suspect, is the cause of some of the frustration. 

In a way I understand your last point but just can't agree on that. If an expension is a game that merely adds spells and big sidequests to the original game (something that many expensions do) then I really would've found it a waste of my 30 €'s. I think that sort of add-on requires a more open world approach like Oblivion (I seem to be the only person on the world who hated that game). Bioware tried to create a new story (which we all could've expected not to be as epic as the original since that was starting a new world and was 60h worth of playtime) with keeping in mind the original choices and story. The character being transferred to the new games is an entirely new feature introduced with ME2, yet players want thousands of choices and at the sametime coherent sequels. The marketing of the add-on really showed us that this was going to be a new story with new characters. I don't understand how people expected differently. Furthermore, what could be more awesome than carrying a kitten around in your inventory.

Modifié par geertmans, 18 mars 2010 - 02:21 .

[Dunkindonutz]

My warden made the ultimate sacrifice and yet king Al was not surprised to see me walking up to him at the start.  I thought there would atleast be some backstory about how I faked my death or maybe morrigan brings me back but I was terribly disappointed in that.  What am I suppose to do with all these meat bone gifts?  Maybe if I give them to the dwarf I will just hear him chewing on something, it will be less annoying then when he talks.

Modifié par Dunkindonutz, 18 mars 2010 - 02:28 .

[geertmans]

Dunkindonutz wrote...

My warden made the ultimate sacrifice and yet king Al was not surprised to see me walking up to him at the start.

Perhaps this is a plothole, perhaps he saw him between the events of origins and awakening. Sloppy, but not a dissapointment in my book.

[sumdood]

There are extreme expectations because the expansion pack is extremely priced.

[alickar]

worksa8 wrote...

Because I paid fifty god damn dollars, and all I got was a buggy, repetitive, 5 hour "expansion"
I've seen DLC for other games that was longer!

its waz not a petty 5 hour expansion u skipped to the main storyline u did not do the side quests and forge epic weapons and armor u Derp:alien:

[poopville]

I have a copy of Awakening sitting here and eagerly awaiting a block of free time to dive in.

A little apprehensive from all the negative stuff I've been reading but will keep an open mind.

For my own expectations, I'd say that I had such a great and I'd even say "moving" experience with Origins that my expectations are very high.

The character interactions in Origins were so deep and everything so well written that I was amazed at being, I'll use the word again, "moved" by some of the moments and dialogue with the characters.

For that reason, I'm prepared to be a little let down if the new characters and lack of romance will make it seem a lesser experience. I'm prepared to miss my "old friends."

I like killin' stuff as much as the next guy but I'd say I'm in it for a great fantasy story.

It's hard for me to explain to some people that are not into newer video games that I can like them for a story. The technology is there now to make games such an immersive experience. It's not unlike watching a great film or reading a novel... but it's on a different level because you feel actively involved in how it unfolds.

I will say that I REALLY want to see the Origins caharcters and especially Morrigan to come back in some meaningful way in the next go-round. Reading the forums I think I'm not alone. I hope Bioware realizes there's a chance to really hit one out of the park if they can do that right in Dragon Age: The Next One.

[alickar]

Nukenin wrote...

morel142 wrote...

[…]
Hopefully The old Republic will show us the way.. /pray
[…]

I predict many of the PCs you encounter in TOR will have terribad AI and lousy writing.  Don't get your hopes up.



I have yet to finish Dragon Age: Origins proper to provide a Warden worthy of import into Awakening, so I'm just running about with an Orlesian Warden and apparently taking my sweet time about it, since by some reckoning I should've been able to finish the expansion four times over in the time I've had it.

So far Awakening has met my expectations, which were realistic.

give us lightsaber swords!!!!!!

[geertmans]

sumdood wrote...

There are extreme expectations because the expansion pack is extremely priced.

How so? If people paid prices like 50 dollar or 35 euro's, which I see floating around here then people should look around better and see that the game actually sells for less than 40 dollar and 25 euro online. The fact that the game is at least 10 hours long (I haven't completed the game but when I hear people talking about 5 hours long then I really can't escape the feeling they have been rushing through it) compared to other 5 hour long games being sold for 60 bucks makes me think its really not that expensive. 15 dollar for 5 Modern Warefare 2 multiplayer maps, two of them recycled from the first game, now thats expensive.

[Sinferno]

I had high expectations for Awakening and i was pretty disapointed.
 
I would check Biowares Awakening site and see Black evil looking Werewolves on the front cover of the page. People who have played Awakening in the Black Marsh knows that Werewolves were just a mob filler. No Lady of the forest or other Werewolf faction here which was my fault for assuming so but at the same time i feel like they lied without lieing.

I also assumed being an Orleasian Warden they would have an hour long Orleasian story. Instant disapointment right there.
 
I asumed the Spectral Dragon would be an epic encounter as well from a public trailer i saw previewing the game. The dude that was previewing the game had his whole party wiped out when he went in.

I assumed there would be more then two main decisions since it was an RPG and an expansion of one of the most decision making games i've ever played.

Thats the last time i ever have extreme unrealistic expectations about these products. I should just be happy and rate it a 8/10 because it didn't bug out my **** like other players.

Modifié par Sinferno, 18 mars 2010 - 02:57 .

[Mlai00]

How come people have these extreme expectations of Awakening?

Forty. US. Dollars.

[Nukenin]

poopville wrote...

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The character interactions in Origins were so deep and everything so well written that I was amazed at being, I'll use the word again, "moved" by some of the moments and dialogue with the characters.
[…]
I will say that I REALLY want to see the Origins caharcters and especially Morrigan to come back in some meaningful way in the next go-round. Reading the forums I think I'm not alone. I hope Bioware realizes there's a chance to really hit one out of the park if they can do that right in Dragon Age: The Next One.

I'm personally hoping that Dragon Age 2 will feature a new story in the setting, with new characters.  It'd be nice to find out more consequences of one's actions and the fates of one's companions in the original story, but I'm not comfortable with that being the onus of DA2.

As for the character interactions, in DA:O what we have are extended interview sessions.  Because I can grill everyone about numerous things, I do.  But for me, this is an onerous chore that I'd streamline if not for the dread "I might miss something" aspect.  At the extreme, it threatens the suspension of disbelief as one repeatedly navigates menus of dialog to ask every question yet unasked that shows up.  If only "Tell me everything you haven't yet told me" were an option—I'd choose it!  Especially on replays, since the voice acting is generally good enough that I feel obligated to listen to every line fully rather than just skip ahead, even if I've heard it all before.

These conversations need to be made more natural and flowing, and I suspect the shift in Awakening was an attempt along those lines.  Obviously a happy median needs to be found that satisfies most parties.