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[Durmir]

If I fight the broodmother in melee, then it's impossible, because of her grasp. That's what I said : it's either too easy, or impossible...

Fighting the Broodmother with an arc but withstanding the tentacle attacks would be exactly the same, except I'll use more poultices. No point, then.

EDIT : moreover, I'd add that it's not an exploit, it's just using what the game gives you to do your best. I can also chose to fight totally naked and with no talents, pretending using stuff and talents is spoiling the difficulty. But, well... I think I made my point.

Modifié par Durmir, 18 mars 2010 - 08:18 .

[ccconda]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Meh, if you are going to exploit glitches in the game (such as standing on a rock to avoid tentacles) then of course it will be too easy. Try playing the game legitimately. Doing stuff like that is kind of like stealing half the money from the bank in monopoly then complaining that you always win.

The legitimate game is easy if you understand the tactics well and have played these kinds of games before (Final Fantasy 12, Baldur's Gate, etc).

Modifié par ccconda, 18 mars 2010 - 08:21 .

[Pocketgb]

I don't expect Bioware to change a single thing for the minorities feelings (Modern Warfare 2 basically said "eat ****e" to the PC community and it's still selling millions), but there are indeed a lot of things that Bioware could've refined for DA. Combat is definitely one of them: difficulty curve is crazy, once you get past a certain threshold it's massively easy, and quite a few mechanics are just wonky and disappointing.

DA:O is a real great game, but I don't look too much at the combat system when saying that : \\

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Meh, if you are going to exploit glitches in the game (such as standing on a rock to avoid tentacles) then of course it will be too easy. Try playing the game legitimately. Doing stuff like that is kind of like stealing half the money from the bank in monopoly then complaining that you always win.

Someone should be keeping an eye on the bank's money then, or making it harder to break in ; p

[Realmzmaster]

The OP was concerned about Nightmare and hard not being difficult enough. Unfortunately this is very subjective. I assume that Bioware had it alpha and beta testers play the game on every difficulty level. The difficulty level was probably fine tuned based on those reports. Now were all of those beta testers CRPG gaming experts like many on these forums, most likely not. Bioware most likely had a cross section of their audience beta test the game. In fact from interviews the founders of Bioware were playing the game and keeping gaming diaries. Bioware may have pulled employees from other parts of the company, from EA and the general gaming public.

Now if you are a CRPG gaming expert you can play the game on easy in your sleep, you may occassionally wake up on normal and wake up half the time on hard. Nightmare may occupy the expert seventy five percentage of the time (maybe).

If you are a newcomer, hard and nightmare are just impossible, normal is hard and easy is normal. Bioware is going to get different results based on the tester playing.

Also if a player moves up from normal to hard the difference should be noticable but not impossible to complete.

Nightmare should be tougher than hard, but how much tougher is subjective. Your nightmare may not be tough enough for me. So I go out looking for a mod that makes it way tougher. Others may think that the present Nightmare setting is tough enough.

So Bioware gives the community the toolkit. Which allows the community to make mods to change the difficulty. You use the mod at you risk.

Bioware goes and concentrates on bug fixes, DLC, expansions and the next DA.

A win-win situation. Of course Bioware does not guarntee that the mod will work with future expansions or DLC.

But economics require them to decide where to best use their resources. As fa as difficulty of Hard and Nightmare until Bioware says differently I can only assume this is what is intended.

[MGeezer]

Let me try a form of this complaint, and try a response to the claimed marketing experts.



As many people seem to complain on the boards about about the game being too hard and as about the game being too easy--as several have pointed out. Like Durmir (the OP=Opening Poster), I am not looking to make the game harder--I think Bioware's mistake was in not making the range between easy and nightmare quite a bit wider. I think I haver played games with way wider ranges. A wider range could keep both play-for-the-story and character crowd and the I-want-a-challenge crowd happy.



And, yes, I think the board is representative enough to guess that there are plenty of people in both camps, and there will be more people who pass on the next Bioware game than if they had provided a wider skill range, and will go to games that may do this better. I would also add that Bioware has had the success it has had overr the years by taking the hard-core gamer seriously--not doing everything they want, but not blowing them off because they are a niche market. You can always maximize profits on the next game by going for mediocrity and the mass audience, but without the hard core and their reviews and buzz, the total audeince will get smaller in many ways over time. To view the hard core fans as an irrlevant niches is not a good recipe for sucess, any more than ignoring fashionistas, a tiny audience, is a good route for a fashion design house.

[Andari_Surana]

well said McGeezer

[ccconda]

I agree. Make normal easier and make nightmare harder. The difficulties arent really noticeable in this game. Easy is really the only noticeable one. I find myself checking my options to see if im on 'nightmare' or not.



Diablo2 definitely had the best difficulty settings (but HELL after LoD was crap)

[Gliese]

Andari_Surana wrote...

@ polling....

people on the forums several months after launch are always going to be skewed towards people satisfied with the game. Or people needing help with the game (e.g. my characters won't move anymore, cause i hit the hold button, but don't know i did that.) Of the people who would like dragon age to offer more difficulty/Challenge, i think you'll see a smaller fraction of them on the forums. I think many of them have already beat the game on NM -if they bothered to complete the game- and got bored and moved on. I think of those that failed to find the challenge in the Origins, i think they are the least likely players to return for Awakenings.

I agree with this. Looking over at the mod sections it's almost like it's dying out here, all the mods seems to have been created last year and most of the discussions are months' old as well. It might be a false impression and I don't have much more than anecdotal evidence such as a friend of mine that did quit without finishing the game bc he found it too easy and then never looked back.
Personally I've played through once before taking a break for a couple of months, because I enjoy Bioware's writing enough to disregard any reservations I might hold about the combat system. The lack of challenge however is currently an issue for me when it comes to replayability which I had high hopes for before the release of the game.

[ccconda]

Why arent people making quests like we did with NWN

[Moogliepie]

 I agree with the OP. I'm not sure how feasible it would be. Mass Effect 2 had similar issues. A lot of people felt Nightmare was too easy. But there are plenty of games out there were the hardest difficulty settings can really only be tackled by most hardcore gamers. I never felt like I wasn't given a complete game just because I couldn't do the hardest difficult setting. On the other hand, there have been very few RPGs since the 1980's that have truly been challenging. 

[LH000]

Durmir wrote...

I'm sorry, I didn't target you, of course.
And I'd add that if you know how to calculate a simple integer, it just doesn't make you good at maths. But it makes you better than 95% people in the world at maths.

I have quite a hard time believing it (that you didn't target me). Anyway, it doesn't matter. It is quite a hard to make me feel insulted through anonymous internet discussion; sometimes .

With a part about a maths, I think you are exaggerating . (First, I assume you mean integral, not an integer, since integer is ASAF something like numbers 1, 2 etc. or something (set of numbers usually denoted like N)). Just statistically, lets neglect a fact, that basic integrals are part of high school education, still, most of people who study more technical subject at university should be able to calculate simple integrals. This is sure more than 5% of population. (Of course, I'm not referring to world areas with diametrally lesser quality of education, like some parts of Africa, for example. But this is OK, since most people on these forums are probably from Europe or North America.) 

And now, qualitatively. Calculating of integral (calculating itself, not understanding of principle) is quite a simple. I wouldn't be surprised to see a six years old children able to integrate some polynoms for example.

And why am I writing this piece of ****? One reason is that I'm quite bored right now, second one, that I would like to show you why it is good (and it is also quite polite, you know) to not underestimate people you don't know (and also those who you know, by the way). I hope this explains also your other question: 

Durmir wrote...

Finally, if you think this topic is dumb, why do you even come here ? Please go bother someone else.

[thegreateski]

It's too hard!

It's too easy!

There aren't enough waffles!

Rejoice in your god like skill at this game OP . . . then sit back and realize that most people suck at RPGs.

Modifié par thegreateski, 19 mars 2010 - 01:29 .

[joey_mork84]

ccconda wrote...

I agree. Make normal easier and make nightmare harder. The difficulties arent really noticeable in this game. Easy is really the only noticeable one. I find myself checking my options to see if im on 'nightmare' or not.

Diablo2 definitely had the best difficulty settings (but HELL after LoD was crap)

I agree completely with this. I love playing Diablo II LoD even now. The difficulty settings were just right for that particular game.

And a side note: I don't believe Sloth is a troll. There are many trolls on this forum, but Sloth is most certainly not one of them. He simply states the facts, speaks his mind once in a while, and does all this in a humorous fashion. That is not a troll.

SLOTH FOR PRESIDENT!!

[traversc]

LH000 wrote...
Just statistically, lets neglect a fact, that basic integrals are part of high school education, still, most of people who study more technical subject at university should be able to calculate simple integrals. This is sure more than 5% of population. (Of course, I'm not referring to world areas with diametrally lesser quality of education, like some parts of Africa, for example. But this is OK, since most people on these forums are probably from Europe or North America.) 

You are wrong.  Calculus is NOT standard fair for high school students.  In fact, the very very large majority of americans do NOT know calculus.  Google it.  If you can't find a proper citation or don't believe it, just consider the well known fact that <50% of americans believe in macro-evolution.  Heck, I bet a good number don't even believe in micro-evolution either. 

[joey_mork84]

traversc wrote...

LH000 wrote...
Just statistically, lets neglect a fact, that basic integrals are part of high school education, still, most of people who study more technical subject at university should be able to calculate simple integrals. This is sure more than 5% of population. (Of course, I'm not referring to world areas with diametrally lesser quality of education, like some parts of Africa, for example. But this is OK, since most people on these forums are probably from Europe or North America.) 

You are wrong.  Calculus is NOT standard fair for high school students.  In fact, the very very large majority of americans do NOT know calculus.  Google it.  If you can't find a proper citation or don't believe it, just consider the well known fact that <50% of americans believe in macro-evolution.  Heck, I bet a good number don't even believe in micro-evolution either. 

Traversc is right, at least for my area. I know SOME calculus because I took a few college starter classes in HS (had all my credits so I figured why not lol).

And as for the evolution part of your post, I would say AT LEAST 75% of the population in my surrounding area don't believe in evolution. I guess they think fossils are just giant rocks that just happen to look like it is a bone.. *rolls eyes*

[thegreateski]

We can't ever have a thread without America and religion can we?

[LH000]

traversc wrote...

LH000 wrote...
Just statistically, lets neglect a fact, that basic integrals are part of high school education, still, most of people who study more technical subject at university should be able to calculate simple integrals. This is sure more than 5% of population. (Of course, I'm not referring to world areas with diametrally lesser quality of education, like some parts of Africa, for example. But this is OK, since most people on these forums are probably from Europe or North America.) 

You are wrong.  Calculus is NOT standard fair for high school students.  In fact, the very very large majority of americans do NOT know calculus.  Google it.  If you can't find a proper citation or don't believe it, just consider the well known fact that <50% of americans believe in macro-evolution.  Heck, I bet a good number don't even believe in micro-evolution either. 

Well, I was talking about european high schools. Even there it does probably vary from state to state. I am not from USA (as you can see from my crappy english) and we do have some basic calculus at high school. Though more doesn't necessary mean better... It still doesn't change a fact, that calculating a simple integral is a trivial task, once you know how to do it (of course, it depends, what is supposed to be a simple integral ).  So being able to do it doesn't necessary mean you are better in maths than 95% of population, neither not being able to do it does  mean being worse, in my opinion.

Anyway, I was writing that around midnight, while being quite bored (I had to wait till cca now , because of something), so do not take it too seriously. Simply, I just dislike the way OP acted.

[MindYerBeak]

I play on Hard Difficulty. Some of the end battles are indeed hard. However, once you suss out the battle strategy and tactics I tend to suspect the 2nd playthrough using the same team will be much, much easier. I prefer using my noggin to work out battle tactics, I find it good fun and a worthwhile sense of achievement.

[joey_mork84]

thegreateski wrote...

We can't ever have a thread without America and religion can we?

Doubtful.. especially in a place like this. You know, a forum based around an Amercan game that has a large amount of religious aspects to it.. So it's very doubtful lmao :lol:

All kidding aside.. TOPIC AT HAND: Is the difficulty in DAO appropriate for the game?.. With that question being entirely subjective, I will still give my opinion: Yes, I believe the difficulty levels in this game are fairly appropriate, however, just like anything man-made, it's not perfect and could definitely use some work.. But I'm not going to get all upset about it.. doesn't seem like that big a deal to me. Not enough of a problem that I would get all worked up and make a forum thread about it :blink:

[joey_mork84]

LH000 wrote...
Simply, I just dislike the way OP acted.

I think everyone here disliked the way the OP acted.. which is usually the case in threads like this lol

[Loc'n'lol]

ccconda wrote...

Why arent people making quests like we did with NWN

I think it's because the toolset is significantly less user-friendly than the one from NWN, and overall it takes a lot more work to create new stuff for DAO than it did for NWN.