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[Archereon]

Seeing as Mass Effect is expected to be released in Q1 2011, the Devs will barely have time to make engine modifications, meaning few new features.  For shovelware shooters (like EAs ideal vision of Mass Effect), that's not much of a problem, all you need is a few new guns and a new campaign to call something a sequel, but for RPGs and frankly nearly any proper game (including any self respecting FPS/TPS), like what Mass Effect 2 still clings to being, you need more to have a worthy sequel.

However, with a 1 year development window, its more likely we'll see even more "streamlining" rather than feature enhancement, perhaps a downgrading of companion dialogue to Dragon Age Awakenings style dialogue (you can only talk to your party members when they want to talk to you or there's a scenery object to interact with them over), and maybe even (if Bioware has finally fallen into EA conventions) a canon storyline.

Now these things, even the canonization, I could take, in an Expansion pack, but for a sequel, its unacceptable, especially seeing as we'll be paying $60 for a glorified EP, much like Gears of Wars fans did for that Gears of War expansion pack masquerading as Gears of War 2.

As such, I won't be purchasing a copy of Mass Effect 3, or Dragon Age 2 for that matter, as it has a rather tight development window as well, without some assurance that it is not "A glorified expansion pack"

[superimposed]

ME:2 was supposed to refine the engine.

Don't whine.

[Ecael]

Because this topic has never been brought up before....

GameRankings:
Mass Effect (XBox 360) - 91.07%
Mass Effect 2 (XBox 360) - 95.70%
Gears of War (XBox 360) - 93.77%
Gears of War 2 (XBox 360) - 93.11%

That's all that matters.

Modifié par Ecael, 18 mars 2010 - 04:32 .

[Funkcase]

You do realise they made ME2 in just two years dont you? I believe they can do it again. It is actually due 2012 not 2011. Gears or war has not and wont change, it's main feature is multiplayer it's like COD, but ME's main feature is single player, storytelling. I cant see Bioware selling out.

[JRCHOharry]

Who said ME3 was being released in 2011?

[Goodwood]

Two things to consider:



1. With ME2, BioWare has confirmed that the engine is finished; they don't anticipate any more tweaks, so the system we have in ME2 is likely to be the one we get in ME3, with the possible exception of different guns (but that's a given anyway).



2. IIRC, ME1 was originally developed as a stand-alone with the possibility of future sequels; the huge success of the first game inspired BioWare to give the green light to a trilogy. Now, given that ME2 was developed with the intent of making a sequel ASAP, it stands to reason that they were working on the final installment even as they finished up the second one. Hell, the damn loading screens hype up the need to watch out for ME3. This is analogous to the two Matrix sequels, which were released mere months apart. Granted, it had been much longer since the release of the originals, and the two films may have suffered for that fact (a debate for another time and place, that), but I for one have faith in BioWare. I had faith in them for ME2, and was glad to be able to have had that faith justified.

[Goodwood]

Ecael wrote...

Because this topic has never been brought up before....

GameRankings:
Mass Effect (XBox 360) - 91.07%
Mass Effect 2 (XBox 360) - 95.70%
Gears of War (XBox 360) - 93.77%
Gears of War 2 (XBox 360) - 93.11%

That's all that matters.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! :D:D:devil::devil:B)B)

[SelphieSK]

Ecael wrote...

I love this <3

[spacehamsterZH]

Go cry some more. But somewhere else please. And for heaven's sake, don't buy ME3, I don't want to hear your opinion, and obviously you've already made up your mind anyway.

[jklinders]

ME 2 went Gold in Dec 2009, so they were done then. First quarter 2011 means anywhere up to march of next year with possible delays. they got the story written already. the engine is just fine as is, and they will throw a few new game play mechanics in for good measure. Wouldn't surprise me if all the concept art for ME3 was finished Summer of last year. I don't think they took a break since the funding has been non-stop as well.



With all the crying people do about EA, consider this, a big part of the delay between games is the search for funding. As long as Bioware makes money for EA, Ea will write them checks. not having to scrounge for cash allows more time to make games. ME2 had it's RPG system stripped down because we asked for it. I see little real evidence that EA has been any more than a publisher.

[ramdog7]

this thread is useless. ME3 is along time form now, and this is just speculation on your part.

you have no proof.

[screwoffreg]

ME 3 is NOT scheduled for Q1 2011. A large expansion perhaps, but NOT a full game. EA listed all the full titles to expect in Q1 2011, and while there is a ME release, it was pretty clearly defined as NOT a full release. It likely means a large expansion (to be worthy of being mentioned by EA at all). Also, 2/1/2011 is a big date for Dragon Age fans, so it seems early 2011 is going to be a big date for ALL franchises. Then, that Spring, the MMORPG comes out...

[firest0rm]

cause jumping to conclusions with next to nothing to support it is worth a new thread.



Seriously though i vaguely remember hearing that there will be a "far reaching announcement dealing with the mass effect franchise" or something along those lines but to be honest if thats what your referring to i doubt that means we will be seeing ME3 come next year. Bioware is not exactly known for rushing their products and after reading/watching interviews with them post ME2 i doubt their gona start with the final mass effect.

[CTM1]

That's really funny Ecael, but do you know what else has been discussed over and over? Gamer rankings often mean very little - especially to individuals who don't care about the opinion of someone else (or a whole bunch of someone elses). That may be all that matters to developers and publishers, but not to the gamers themselves, which he is.

The OP has good reason to hold the fears he does; he's just not as informed as the rest of you forum lot. I'm sure a good number of you would feel the same if you were in his place. While I agree that he's rather quick to jump to some conclusions based on his own assumptions, telling him to get lost is far from helpful.

Instead of trying to scare him off (as at least a couple of you seemed to have in mind), why not just be informative for the sake of helping? A couple others have gone this route too, which I think this thread needs more of, whether it's providing your opinion or helpful forum links. Just because he's looking for assurance doesn't mean he's forcing himself on anyone, even if it appears that he is.

Modifié par CTM1, 18 mars 2010 - 04:59 .

[Ecael]

CTM1 wrote...

Instead of trying to scare him off (as at least a couple of you seemed to have in mind), why not just be informative for the sake of helping? A couple others have gone this route too, which I think this thread needs more of, whether it's your opinion or helpful forum links.

There is no need to be informative when this topic has been discussed over and over again. There is even a thread for it in the other forum, so posting it here is absolutely unnecessary. The mods would agree with this point.

Mass Effect 2 may be mostly shooter, but it is still more RPG than most RPGs are. Apparently people define RPG as "Filled with Boring Timesinks game" rather than "ROLE PLAYING GAME". For Mass Effect 1, its:

-Driving the Mako in main missions before realizing that ignoring enemies is faster (like Ilos Trench Run)
-Driving the Mako on empty, mountanous terrain for almost every side quest
-Having to run/drive back to where I started after completing a quest
-Ridiculously slow elevators
-Getting stuck in said ridiculously slow elevators and having to restart
-Having to restart from a point one hour ago because the game hardly autosaves
-Unskippable cutscenes of the Normandy or the Mako landing
-Loading screens, even with the elevators in place (Citadel Rapid Transit and pre-game Load)
-Decontamination in progress. Stand by. Decontamination in progress.
-Having to play the game 3 times over with one character in order to reach the highest level of tedium
-Having to play the game 5+ times over with one character in order to get the most skill points
-Immediately dying after getting knocked out of the terrain/level by biotics instead of getting back up
-Mineral, relic and artifact scanning and collection quests
-Realizing that you only actually have 4 different weapons with different textures and accuracy
-Only using one of those 4 weapons depending on your class
-Having to sort through your inventory of items to figure out what is actually useful
-Having to sell your inventory of completely useless items after every mission
-Having to omni-gel your inventory of completely useless items after hitting the credit cap
-Having to repeatedly exchange armor and armor mods with a slightly newer version of itself
-Having to switch between Tungsten/Shredder ammo between enemy types (for each squadmate)
-Spending a minute firing at a krogan spamming Immunity even with the weapon/ammo mods, and then another minute if Warp or some other skill doesn't hit him right as he dies
-Every side quest making use of either:
----A generic freighter
----A generic two floor facility
----A generic science facility

Mass Effect 1 had a great story with great characters, but I couldn't bring myself to play through it again after realizing that you spend half the game doing nothing (and no, that does NOT make it an RPG). Looking at it through rose-colored glasses doesn't change that fact.

If I were to list the timesink-related gameplay flaws of Mass Effect 2, the list would be a lot shorter.

Modifié par Ecael, 18 mars 2010 - 05:03 .

[DigitalBrute]

Since when has Mass Effect 3 been said that it will likely be released in Q1 of 2011. Think about it, they still have DLC to create, bugs to fix and storylines to come up with for not only ME2 but ME3 as well. If any retail Mass Effect comes out next year its either going to be a GoTY edition for ME 2 or an expansion pack (similar to DA:O Awakening).

[CTM1]

Ecael wrote...

CTM1 wrote...

Instead of trying to scare him off (as at least a couple of you seemed to have in mind), why not just be informative for the sake of helping? A couple others have gone this route too, which I think this thread needs more of, whether it's your opinion or helpful forum links.

There is no need to be informative when this topic has been discussed over andover again. There is even a thread for it in the other forum, so posting it here is absolutely unnecessary.

Then point himto that forum. It shouldn't be that hard. Provided the mods are more active than they have been lately, topics like these ought to get locked before they take off and add to the clutter.

Mass Effect 2 may be mostly shooter, but it is still more RPG than most RPGs are. Apparently people define RPG as "Filled with Boring Timesinks game" rather than "ROLE PLAYING GAME". For Mass Effect 1, its:

*snip*

What's the point to this? Are you addressing Archereon or myself? Because I have provided no opinion on the game here whatsoever. (Understand, this is the Internet; intent is sometimes hard to discern. It seemed to me you were against helping Archereon, yet this bit seems to indicate the opposite - and if it were addressed to me, it's unnecessary for the aforementioned reason.)

Modifié par CTM1, 18 mars 2010 - 05:23 .

[Ecael]

CTM1 wrote...

Then point him to that forum.

He's been using the forums for over a month. The fact that he had to make a new topic instead of looking for the one already there means he wants to voice his opinion over everyone elses, even if it is the same exact opinion with the same exact talking points and phrases.

Is this your informative opinion for Archeron? Because it's wasted on me - I'm not the one looking for assurance.

Opinion? All I listed were facts.

[CTM1]

Please address my edit. I happen to do that a lot when I post. In any case, I was referring to your entire post (which was not just your list, and in which you gave an opinion on the first game).

Of course, that's neither here nor there - I'm just confused as to why you posted it. Who is benefiting from this information, Archereon or myself? Because, as stated, it's wasted on me.

Modifié par CTM1, 18 mars 2010 - 05:21 .

[Ecael]

CTM1 wrote...

Please address my edit. I happen to do that a lot when I post. In any case, I was referring to your entire post (which was not just your list, and in which you gave your opinion on the first game).

Of course, that's neither here nor there - I'm just confused as to why you posted it. Who is benefiting from this information, Archereon or myself? Because, as stated, it's wasted on me.

It's a general list that I posted before. I would hope that some people who look at Mass Effect 1 too optimistically would read it, and not just one poster.

Also, the BioWare mods are still waking up or heading to work near the West Coast. They need to find more mods who are available at different times.

[sunnyfunny]

Weren't they already working on ME3 before ME2 was even released?



almost certain I heard that somewhere...

[crimzontearz]

Goodwood wrote...

Two things to consider:

1. With ME2, BioWare has confirmed that the engine is finished; they don't anticipate any more tweaks, so the system we have in ME2 is likely to be the one we get in ME3, with the possible exception of different guns (but that's a given anyway).

2. IIRC, ME1 was originally developed as a stand-alone with the possibility of future sequels; the huge success of the first game inspired BioWare to give the green light to a trilogy. Now, given that ME2 was developed with the intent of making a sequel ASAP, it stands to reason that they were working on the final installment even as they finished up the second one. Hell, the damn loading screens hype up the need to watch out for ME3. This is analogous to the two Matrix sequels, which were released mere months apart. Granted, it had been much longer since the release of the originals, and the two films may have suffered for that fact (a debate for another time and place, that), but I for one have faith in BioWare. I had faith in them for ME2, and was glad to be able to have had that faith justified.

uh...no man, ME was announced as a trilogy from the start much like Too human......only too human tanked horribly so it was stumped and ME had great success

[CTM1]

Ecael wrote...

It's a general list that I posted before. I would hope that some people
who look at Mass Effect 1 too optimistically would read it, and not just
one poster.

Ah, so it was for Archereon then? I figured you were against helping him, so I was confused to see that bit tacked on to the end of your post, which was up to that point addressed to me.

Modifié par CTM1, 18 mars 2010 - 05:30 .

[Archereon]

CTM1 wrote...

That's really funny Ecael, but do you know what else has been discussed over and over? Gamer rankings often mean very little - especially to individuals who don't care about the opinion of someone else (or a whole bunch of someone elses). That may be all that matters to developers and publishers, but not to the gamers themselves, which he is.

The OP has good reason to hold the fears he does; he's just not as informed as the rest of you forum lot. I'm sure a good number of you would feel the same if you were in his place. While I agree that he's rather quick to jump to some conclusions based on his own assumptions, telling him to get lost is far from helpful.

Instead of trying to scare him off (as at least a couple of you seemed to have in mind), why not just be informative for the sake of helping? A couple others have gone this route too, which I think this thread needs more of, whether it's providing your opinion or helpful forum links. Just because he's looking for assurance doesn't mean he's forcing himself on anyone, even if it appears that he is.

I just realized I forgot to highlight the trigger word...

[screwoffreg]

sunnyfunny wrote...

Weren't they already working on ME3 before ME2 was even released?

almost certain I heard that somewhere...

After a game is completed and the period before it is released usually takes at least several months.  I imagine thats what they meant when they said they were working on it before ME 2 was released.  I don't think it was concurrent development...