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[Gabey5]

Vaenier wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

not to mention EDI probably has an override system...he can probably get the Normandy at will.

He would have used any tricks he had when Shep tried to blow up the base. That is how I am sure TIM has no control device in Sheps head nor has control of EDI.

yes it has been established he has no control over shep but it is still very possible for him to use EDI.

[Gabey5]

TomBmbadil wrote...

Gabey, no offense but you are stupid

care to eleaborate?

[marshalleck]

The Angry One wrote...

Right and you think they'd want that to go public in a court case?

Do you not comprehend the implications of what I said? There's no need to go public with anything. There's no need for TIM to go whining to anyone at all. He is buddy-buddy with most if not all of humanity's elite--heads of state, military, industry, commerce.

[Goodwood]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Grayson was alone... my Shepard is not and that's biiiig difference.
Beside if from the very beginning Timmy would play fair "maybe" our "cooperation" will still pending but after his famous "Cerberus is humanity" crap all was over because i will NEVER EVER support another galactic HITLER!!!!!!!

Indeed. After that little self-admitted delusion, there ain't no way Cerberus is getting the Normandy back. Even if Shep was "alone" like Paul Grayson, Shep > Grayson simply due to being so highly-trained in matters of combat. Grayson was only ever an amateur assassin addicted to red sand, while Shepard is a veteran N7 Marine commander who proved herself a hero against impossible odds time and again.

If TIM has a single intelligent bone in his body, he'll forego active revenge on Shep and crew for giving him the finger, for obvious reasons.

[KarmaTheAlligator]

Gabey5 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

not to mention EDI probably has an override system...he can probably get the Normandy at will.

He would have used any tricks he had when Shep tried to blow up the base. That is how I am sure TIM has no control device in Sheps head nor has control of EDI.

yes it has been established he has no control over shep but it is still very possible for him to use EDI.

When you consider that starting up EDI the way joker did unlocked all her block that were put there by Cerberus, I don't think there's any danger of TIM using a switch to take control of EDI.

[Atmosfear3]

I'm actually fairly surprised TIM didn't include some sort of remote control for if the Normandy goes rogue.

[Vaenier]

Gabey5 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

not to mention EDI probably has an override system...he can probably get the Normandy at will.

He would have used any tricks he had when Shep tried to blow up the base. That is how I am sure TIM has no control device in Sheps head nor has control of EDI.

yes it has been established he has no control over shep but it is still very possible for him to use EDI.

He would have controlled EDI then to remotely disable Shep's bomb with her uber hacking abilities. Or threaten to leave them there.

[KarmaTheAlligator]

marshalleck wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Right and you think they'd want that to go public in a court case?

Do you not comprehend the implications of what I said? There's no need to go public with anything. There's no need for TIM to go whining to anyone at all. He is buddy-buddy with most if not all of humanity's elite--heads of state, military, industry, commerce.

And Shepard is buddy-buddy with the rest of the galaxy. Who'd win, do you think?

[jklinders]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

I'm actually fairly surprised TIM didn't include some sort of remote control for if the Normandy goes rogue.

He did, it was called EDI. With EDI being unshackled, EDI will do what EDI wants, not what TIM wants.

[crimzontearz]

Gabey5 wrote...

.......return it...and go begging to the alliance/council 

yeah.......no

TIM is lucky I do not go find his base and blast it with the Thanix Cannon

I will keep the ship and he will be damn glad I spared his life

[Goodwood]

marshalleck wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Right and you think they'd want that to go public in a court case?

Do you not comprehend the implications of what I said? There's no need to go public with anything. There's no need for TIM to go whining to anyone at all. He is buddy-buddy with most if not all of humanity's elite--heads of state, military, industry, commerce.

I'm not sure how you can come to that conclusion. Even based on what EDI can tell you about Cerberus after the blocks have been removed, there's no reason to assume that the organization has anything more that the covert backings of a few generals or admirals at best. The front organizations would have no reason to advertise the fact that they help fund Cerberus, and I'm willing to bet that the Alliance brass that secretly back TIM would not hesitate to disavow any knowledge of a working relationship with Cerberus.

The Council recognized Cerberus as a rogue entity, "an avowed enemy of the Council", and even went so far as to threaten to accuse Shepard of treason for associating with them (which was political bull, and they knew it). Of course they're going to congratulate Shepard for sticking it to an enemy faction.

[Sialater]

EDI has no reason to want to go back to Cerberus, she'll get shackled again.



Shepard is also Cerberus' property. She sure didn't pay for all those nifty cybernetics powering her battered body.

[huntrrz]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

KarmaTheAlligator wrote...

Why? Cerberus owes you that much for stopping the collectors.

Because the Normandy is TIM's private freaking property.

Created entirely through fraud and espionage.  I doubt he can claim legal ownership.

[jgordon11]

KarmaTheAlligator wrote...

jgordon11 wrote...

KarmaTheAlligator wrote...

Why? Cerberus owes you that much for stopping the collectors.

B/c resurecting you from the dead at the cost of billions of dollars (or whatever currency), giving you a crew of some of its best men, and one of the most advanced ships in the galaxy isn't enough to enlist your help to defeat a threat to humanity and the rest of the galaxy.  Yeah those selfish cheap bastards could at least give you their super advanced ship.

We did that by stopping the collectors. And I, for one, do not enjoy getting backstabbed. So job done, time for some R&R.

Cerberus didn't even save your life, they brought you back from the dead.  And after they dedicate most of their considerable to you, your team and building the most advanced ship in the galaxy for you to command all to saves billions of colonist and end a threat to the whole galaxy... you steal their ship.  Your shep=huge dick.  I mean thats pretty selfish and ungrateful. 

Also he really didn't backstab you unless I guess you count him telling miranda to stop you if you selected to blow up the collector station, the only thing Cerberus couldve benefitted from in their whole operation to stop the collectors (and possibly could help to defeat the reapers).

[Sialater]

jgordon11 wrote...

KarmaTheAlligator wrote...

jgordon11 wrote...

KarmaTheAlligator wrote...

Why? Cerberus owes you that much for stopping the collectors.

B/c resurecting you from the dead at the cost of billions of dollars (or whatever currency), giving you a crew of some of its best men, and one of the most advanced ships in the galaxy isn't enough to enlist your help to defeat a threat to humanity and the rest of the galaxy.  Yeah those selfish cheap bastards could at least give you their super advanced ship.

We did that by stopping the collectors. And I, for one, do not enjoy getting backstabbed. So job done, time for some R&R.

Cerberus didn't even save your life, they brought you back from the dead.  And after they dedicate most of their considerable to you, your team and building the most advanced ship in the galaxy for you to command all to saves billions of colonist and end a threat to the whole galaxy... you steal their ship.  Your shep=huge dick.  I mean thats pretty selfish and ungrateful. 

Also he really didn't backstab you unless I guess you count him telling miranda to stop you if you selected to blow up the collector station, the only thing Cerberus couldve benefitted from in their whole operation to stop the collectors (and possibly could help to defeat the reapers).

He can come get it.

[marshalleck]

KarmaTheAlligator wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Right and you think they'd want that to go public in a court case?

Do you not comprehend the implications of what I said? There's no need to go public with anything. There's no need for TIM to go whining to anyone at all. He is buddy-buddy with most if not all of humanity's elite--heads of state, military, industry, commerce.

And Shepard is buddy-buddy with the rest of the galaxy. Who'd win, do you think?

What are you talking about? You think I was suggesting they'd attack Shepard? How quaint.

Rather quite the contrary. Humanity doesn't lose by having Shepard roam the galaxy with a high-tech ship, chasing down threats to our existence. Giving Shepard a ship and a team is exactly what they want. Sure, let paragonShep think (s)he pulled a fast one by making off in the SR2 with a team of the galaxy's best (minus some old friends who hopefully will return in ME3) to hunt down the Reapers.

You're not sticking it to anyone. That's exactly what they want.

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 mars 2010 - 05:55 .

[The Angry One]

I know this is terrible, but I feel like inflicting it on everyone all the same.

[jklinders]

The Angry One wrote...

I know this is terrible, but I feel like inflicting it on everyone all the same.

One of the better I've seen actually. Way more badass than when horatio does it.

[The Governator]

Gabey5 wrote...

.......return it...and go begging to the alliance/council 

Ummm...what?

I AM anti-cerberus, but where did this come from?

[Zurcior]

The Angry One wrote...

I know this is terrible, but I feel like inflicting it on everyone all the same.

This.
 If Cerberus wants the Normandy, let them try.

[Goodwood]

Anyone who tried to use that station would have been indoctrinated anyway.



Like Paragon Shepard says, a good leader will find a way to achieve their goals without putting those who follow them in unnecessarily dangerous situations. Going behind your star operator's back in order to preserve some illusion of mission security is not the way to engender trust from that operator -- TIM himself admits to this -- not to mention that with the QEC tech onboard the Normandy, there's really no reason to assume that there would have been a threat to mission security had TIM been honest about the plan.



One of the worst things you can do in real-world operations is to go in blind, and to assume that your operator(s) can handle the situation without knowing all the facts. Every good operation starts with Intelligence; anyone in the military knows this, and knows too that the chances of success have a direct correlation to how good the intel is going in. If you want maximal results, you give your forces maximal intelligence, and the resources to be able to deal with any foul-ups or unexpected complications therein. You don't throw your command into a fight without telling them what to expect; officers have been subject to court-martial, and thrown in jail, for less.

[Wild Still]

If I knew where TIM was I would return it. At speed, preferably through his window and into his smug little face.



Alas, I can't, though it would make for an even better "I quit" than blowing up the Collector base.

[KarmaTheAlligator]

marshalleck wrote...

KarmaTheAlligator wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Right and you think they'd want that to go public in a court case?

Do you not comprehend the implications of what I said? There's no need to go public with anything. There's no need for TIM to go whining to anyone at all. He is buddy-buddy with most if not all of humanity's elite--heads of state, military, industry, commerce.

And Shepard is buddy-buddy with the rest of the galaxy. Who'd win, do you think?

What are you talking about? You think I was suggesting they'd attack Shepard? How quaint.

Rather quite the contrary. Humanity doesn't lose by having Shepard roam the galaxy with a high-tech ship, chasing down threats to our existence. Giving Shepard a ship and a team is exactly what they want. Sure, let paragonShep think (s)he pulled a fast one by making off in the SR2 with a team of the galaxy's best (minus some old friends who hopefully will return in ME3) to hunt down the Reapers.

You're not sticking it to anyone. That's exactly what they want.

I dunno, he really seems disappointed when you stick it to him, as opposed to how he looks when you don't (which is the reason I refuse to work for him any longer than necessary).

Also, I wasn't saying you suggested an attack, more like Shepard has the backup of 4/5 of the galaxy whatever he decides to do.

[marshalleck]

Well TIM might have been understandably pissed about blowing up the base. Making off with the SR2, not so much. The fact that Shepard is still out there hunting down the Reapers with the most advanced ship humanity is capable of building and the best team that can be assembled will now have to suffice. That is certainly not harming TIM though--he doesn't want himself or the rest of humanity to be Reaper chow, just as Shepard doesn't.

TIM and Shepard may have philosophical differences but the end goal is the same--stop the Reaper threat.

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 mars 2010 - 06:04 .

[The Governator]

Sialater wrote...

EDI has no reason to want to go back to Cerberus, she'll get shackled again.

Shepard is also Cerberus' property. She sure didn't pay for all those nifty cybernetics powering her battered body.

That's akin to suggesting that hospitals own the patient.  That is rubbish.  They can go after the patient financially, but they do not 'own' patients who are treated and cannot pay.  There is a word for what you are suggesting. 

Now what is that word?...

Oh yeah...

























It's SLAVERY! 

I believe the Council has outlawed it, sooooo....

Too bad so sad, TIM.