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[Gabey5]

The Governator wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

.......return it...and go begging to the alliance/council 

Ummm...what?

I AM anti-cerberus, but where did this come from?

you are anti cerberus? you are flying a cerberus vessel that was loaned to you? get it?

[Sialater]

The Governator wrote...

Sialater wrote...

EDI has no reason to want to go back to Cerberus, she'll get shackled again.

Shepard is also Cerberus' property. She sure didn't pay for all those nifty cybernetics powering her battered body.

That's akin to suggesting that hospitals own the patient.  That is rubbish.  They can go after the patient financially, but they do not 'own' patients who are treated and cannot pay.  There is a word for what you are suggesting. 

Now what is that word?...

Oh yeah...

























It's SLAVERY! 

I believe the Council has outlawed it, sooooo....

Too bad so sad, TIM. 

Which was kinda my point. 

[The Governator]

Oh, heh. Sorry, Sialater.

[The Angry One]

Gabey5 wrote...

The Governator wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

.......return it...and go begging to the alliance/council 

Ummm...what?

I AM anti-cerberus, but where did this come from?

you are anti cerberus? you are flying a cerberus vessel that was loaned to you? get it?

I didn't hear anything about a loan.
Sorry TIM, no deposit no return eh.

Modifié par The Angry One, 18 mars 2010 - 06:10 .

[Zaisha_temp]

The Angry One wrote...

I know this is terrible, but I feel like inflicting it on everyone all the same.

Angry One: Your sheppard wouldn't happen to have any Turian relatives that operate a shop on the Citadel by any chance?

[The Angry One]

Zaisha_temp wrote...

Angry One: Your sheppard wouldn't happen to have any Turian relatives that operate a shop on the Citadel by any chance?

No but she considers him a role model.
Perhaps TIM will team up with Refund Guy in ME3.

[The Governator]

Gabey5 wrote...

The Governator wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

.......return it...and go begging to the alliance/council 

Ummm...what?

I AM anti-cerberus, but where did this come from?

you are anti cerberus? you are flying a cerberus vessel that was loaned to you? get it?

I get it.

Possession = 90% of the law.  Get it?

Besides, Cerberus is a pariah organization at best; anathema to the rest of the galaxy.  If I were given a CHOICE my Shepard would NEVER have consorted with such an entity.  

You may expect me to give back the ship, but you're going to be disappointed.

[The Angry One]

Hey guys remember when Mordin says he stripped out all the bugs in the lab?

I really wish there was the option to ask him to do the same to the rest of the ship. Especially my room. I just know TIM is watching Shep take a shower. Pervert.

[Gabey5]

The Governator wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

The Governator wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

.......return it...and go begging to the alliance/council 

Ummm...what?

I AM anti-cerberus, but where did this come from?

you are anti cerberus? you are flying a cerberus vessel that was loaned to you? get it?

I get it.

Possession = 90% of the law.  Get it?

Besides, Cerberus is a pariah organization at best; anathema to the rest of the galaxy.  If I were given a CHOICE my Shepard would NEVER have consorted with such an entity.  

You may expect me to give back the ship, but you're going to be disappointed.

This is not a rabble of mindless Orcs. These are Uruk-hai. Their armor is thick and their shields broad.

Modifié par Gabey5, 18 mars 2010 - 06:12 .

[JeanLuc761]

The Angry One wrote...

I know this is terrible, but I feel like inflicting it on everyone all the same.

Awesome.

Your femshep has the best cocky smile I've seen

[KarmaTheAlligator]

Gabey5 wrote...

The Governator wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

The Governator wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

.......return it...and go begging to the alliance/council 

Ummm...what?

I AM anti-cerberus, but where did this come from?

you are anti cerberus? you are flying a cerberus vessel that was loaned to you? get it?

I get it.

Possession = 90% of the law.  Get it?

Besides, Cerberus is a pariah organization at best; anathema to the rest of the galaxy.  If I were given a CHOICE my Shepard would NEVER have consorted with such an entity.  

You may expect me to give back the ship, but you're going to be disappointed.

This is not a rabble of mindless Orcs. These are Uruk-hai. Their armor is thick and their shields broad.

Well if you want to pit those thick armors and broad shields agains the Normandy's upgraded cannons, be my guest.

[marshalleck]

The Angry One wrote...

Hey guys remember when Mordin says he stripped out all the bugs in the lab?
I really wish there was the option to ask him to do the same to the rest of the ship.

I kinda figured that's what they were getting to work on when they are shown repairing the ship at the end of the game. You know, since they've got the bulkheads torn open already and no immediate crisis bearing down on them...

[binaryemperor]

Oh yeah, I better give my ship back to TIM so he can... do nothing with it. TIM MADE it for SHEP and JOKER. Who else would use it without getting it plundered by a ragtag band of mercs?  Also Shepard might be a little reluctant to give TIM back his ship after TIM ordered the death of admiral Kohaku and was probably responsible for all of his friends dying on Akuze.  It seems the only thing Cerberus succeeds in is ruining the lives of everyone else so TIM can afford his genetically engineered biotic stogies.  Yeah, TIM can go die in a hilarious manner that involves Thresher Maws and a cigarette fire.

Note that some ParaSheps might, you know, remember the fact that Cerby is full of murderous, elitist, thugs. The kind that say "Improve humanity and damn the consequences!".Also, Shepard destroyed a good portion of Cerberus on his own -practically on accident- in ME1. There is no way they could take him down, even if they devoted their entire operation on it. I don't care how powerful Cerberus -supposedly- is, TIM is not going to mess with the person who singlehandedly crippled the Heretic Geth, wiped out the Collectors, and wasted a fledgling Reaper. also note that Shepard's survival and effective operation is the only hope for the galaxy, and TIM knows that. In fact I would not be surprised if TIM knew shep would abandon him the first chance he/she had.

TL; DR: Renegade sheps would keep the ship because it is awesome, Paragon Sheps would keep the ship because TIM and Cerberus would probably use it to nuke puppies and kittens from orbit.

Modifié par binaryemperor, 18 mars 2010 - 06:22 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Goodwood wrote...

One of the worst things you can do in real-world operations is to go in blind, and to assume that your operator(s) can handle the situation without knowing all the facts. Every good operation starts with Intelligence; anyone in the military knows this, and knows too that the chances of success have a direct correlation to how good the intel is going in. If you want maximal results, you give your forces maximal intelligence, and the resources to be able to deal with any foul-ups or unexpected complications therein. You don't throw your command into a fight without telling them what to expect; officers have been subject to court-martial, and thrown in jail, for less.

If they lose.

In fact the first and foremost rule in the military and intelligence services sd that you never second-guess you superiors. You receive an order and carry it out without knowing it's true purpose.

For example, you serve with special forces. Command sends you behind enemy lines to blow up some bridge at the grid reference such&such. You go in. Then they just give you out through their agents to the enemy. The enemy send their best troops to hunt you down. They search you day and night trying to confirm your location, but you are good, and not easy to spot, so the enemy randomly send in the bombers and fire missions, your squad is down to 50%, but you are tough mother, and push on to your objective, approach the bridge, and there is an ambush to finish you off. Your squad is dead, you are wounded and taken prisoner to live the next couple of years in your own crap and have torture sessions twice a day. But in the meantime time another bridge goes up at another grid reference, and a major offensive commences in that area and the enemy is unable to reinforce their lines and your side wins. Surprise, you were a decoy! That's how the military works, when the enemy has airforce of their own.

[crimzontearz]

marshalleck wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Hey guys remember when Mordin says he stripped out all the bugs in the lab?
I really wish there was the option to ask him to do the same to the rest of the ship.

I kinda figured that's what they were getting to work on when they are shown repairing the ship at the end of the game. You know, since they've got the bulkheads torn open already and no immediate crisis bearing down on them...

Edi can easily get rid of them all ...even moreso if helped by Tali who has located probably most of them by now

[KarmaTheAlligator]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

One of the worst things you can do in real-world operations is to go in blind, and to assume that your operator(s) can handle the situation without knowing all the facts. Every good operation starts with Intelligence; anyone in the military knows this, and knows too that the chances of success have a direct correlation to how good the intel is going in. If you want maximal results, you give your forces maximal intelligence, and the resources to be able to deal with any foul-ups or unexpected complications therein. You don't throw your command into a fight without telling them what to expect; officers have been subject to court-martial, and thrown in jail, for less.

If they lose.

In fact the first and foremost rule in the military and intelligence services sd that you never second-guess you superiors. You receive an order and carry it out without knowing it's true purpose.

For example, you serve with special forces. Command sends you behind enemy lines to blow up some bridge at the grid reference such&such. You go in. Then they just give you out through their agents to the enemy. The enemy send their best troops to hunt you down. They search you day and night trying to confirm your location, but you are good, and not easy to spot, so the enemy randomly send in the bombers and fire missions, your squad is down to 50%, but you are tough mother, and push on to your objective, approach the bridge, and there is an ambush to finish you off. Your squad is dead, you are wounded and taken prisoner to live the next couple of years in your own crap and have torture sessions twice a day. But in the meantime time another bridge goes up at another grid reference, and a major offensive commences in that area and the enemy is unable to reinforce their lines and your side wins. Surprise, you were a decoy! That's how the military works, when the enemy has airforce of their own.

And after seeing that you expect us to play ball and continue taking orders from TIM?

[DPSSOC]

Asheer_Khan wrote...
Grayson was alone... my Shepard is not and that's biiiig difference.
Beside if from the very beginning Timmy would play fair "maybe" our "cooperation" will still pending but after his famous "Cerberus is humanity" crap all was over because i will NEVER EVER support another galactic HITLER!!!!!!!

Ok #1 "another"?  #2 When humanity's greatest hope was lost who brought it back?  When everyone else had grown complacent who remained vigilant?  When human colonists were being taken in the hundreds of thousands who stood and said no more?  When the enemy was massing at our gates who made sure they did not go unopposed?  The Council failed, the Alliance failed, only Cerberus was willing and able to do what was necessary to stop the Collectors, and it is only because of them that humanity has any future at all.  So in essence yes, Cerberus is humanity.

Goodwood wrote...
If TIM has a single intelligent bone in his body, he'll forego active revenge on Shep and crew for giving him the finger, for obvious reasons.

Why it's not like you can find the man.  With nearly unlimited resources he can hound Shepard to death (his or yours) without any fear of retalliation.

Another reason to return the Normandy is the crew.  With only 2 exceptions the crew of the Normandy work for Cerberus, we have no guarantee they'll hop on the "Screw TIM" bandwagon.  Even if you've managed to win over every man and woman on the ship there's still the very real threat TIM could pose to their families that might compel them to action, Shepard can't protect them all.  Not to mention the possibility that TIM put an assassin among the crew in case of just such an eventuality.  Dumping the crew is an option I suppose though the question arises of where.

[jklinders]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

One of the worst things you can do in real-world operations is to go in blind, and to assume that your operator(s) can handle the situation without knowing all the facts. Every good operation starts with Intelligence; anyone in the military knows this, and knows too that the chances of success have a direct correlation to how good the intel is going in. If you want maximal results, you give your forces maximal intelligence, and the resources to be able to deal with any foul-ups or unexpected complications therein. You don't throw your command into a fight without telling them what to expect; officers have been subject to court-martial, and thrown in jail, for less.

If they lose.

In fact the first and foremost rule in the military and intelligence services sd that you never second-guess you superiors. You receive an order and carry it out without knowing it's true purpose.

For example, you serve with special forces. Command sends you behind enemy lines to blow up some bridge at the grid reference such&such. You go in. Then they just give you out through their agents to the enemy. The enemy send their best troops to hunt you down. They search you day and night trying to confirm your location, but you are good, and not easy to spot, so the enemy randomly send in the bombers and fire missions, your squad is down to 50%, but you are tough mother, and push on to your objective, approach the bridge, and there is an ambush to finish you off. Your squad is dead, you are wounded and taken prisoner to live the next couple of years in your own crap and have torture sessions twice a day. But in the meantime time another bridge goes up at another grid reference, and a major offensive commences in that area and the enemy is unable to reinforce their lines and your side wins. Surprise, you were a decoy! That's how the military works, when the enemy has airforce of their own.

Analogy fail, because in the case of the Collector ship and Shepard, there is only on eobjective and one Special ops team. In principal you are correct, but your example does not apply. And despite our frequent disagreements you are smart enough to know that.

[cos1ne]

The Governator wrote...
It's SLAVERY! 

I believe the Council has outlawed it, sooooo....

We prefer to call it "indentured servitude" and it's perfectly legal on Ilium.

Also slavery is one of the essential parts of the Batarian caste system to outlaw it would be to enact cultural genocide.

.......or something like that.

-------------

Also at the end of the game my canon shep, destroyed the reaper base and when tim pissed and moaned, I told TIM where he could shove it, and I'm doing things my way from now on. He can either stand aside or be prepared to be run over. I believe the scene implied TIM would stand aside because he knows what Shep is capable of. After all TIM has some excellent PR people that could still get his goals accomplished if Shep succeeds.

So really I'm not stealing the SR2, I've just given myself a promotion in a hostile business takeover.

[Zulu_DFA]

KarmaTheAlligator wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

One of the worst things you can do in real-world operations is to go in blind, and to assume that your operator(s) can handle the situation without knowing all the facts. Every good operation starts with Intelligence; anyone in the military knows this, and knows too that the chances of success have a direct correlation to how good the intel is going in. If you want maximal results, you give your forces maximal intelligence, and the resources to be able to deal with any foul-ups or unexpected complications therein. You don't throw your command into a fight without telling them what to expect; officers have been subject to court-martial, and thrown in jail, for less.

If they lose.

In fact the first and foremost rule in the military and intelligence services sd that you never second-guess you superiors. You receive an order and carry it out without knowing it's true purpose.

For example, you serve with special forces. Command sends you behind enemy lines to blow up some bridge at the grid reference such&such. You go in. Then they just give you out through their agents to the enemy. The enemy send their best troops to hunt you down. They search you day and night trying to confirm your location, but you are good, and not easy to spot, so the enemy randomly send in the bombers and fire missions, your squad is down to 50%, but you are tough mother, and push on to your objective, approach the bridge, and there is an ambush to finish you off. Your squad is dead, you are wounded and taken prisoner to live the next couple of years in your own crap and have torture sessions twice a day. But in the meantime time another bridge goes up at another grid reference, and a major offensive commences in that area and the enemy is unable to reinforce their lines and your side wins. Surprise, you were a decoy! That's how the military works, when the enemy has airforce of their own.

And after seeing that you expect us to play ball and continue taking orders from TIM?

You - no. Shepard - yes. Because Commander Shepard is a marine and he (she) accepted these rules when he enlisted, received his officer's commission, and agreed to work for TIM.

[Gabey5]

KarmaTheAlligator wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

The Governator wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

The Governator wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

.......return it...and go begging to the alliance/council 

Ummm...what?

I AM anti-cerberus, but where did this come from?

you are anti cerberus? you are flying a cerberus vessel that was loaned to you? get it?

I get it.

Possession = 90% of the law.  Get it?

Besides, Cerberus is a pariah organization at best; anathema to the rest of the galaxy.  If I were given a CHOICE my Shepard would NEVER have consorted with such an entity.  

You may expect me to give back the ship, but you're going to be disappointed.

This is not a rabble of mindless Orcs. These are Uruk-hai. Their armor is thick and their shields broad.

Well if you want to pit those thick armors and broad shields agains the Normandy's upgraded cannons, be my guest.

TIM isnt some random merc that is fodder for your gun....is what i meant...he has immeserable resources and soldiers ready to die for his cause.

[nelly21]

DPSSOC wrote...

Ok #1 "another"?  #2 When humanity's greatest hope was lost who brought it back?  When everyone else had grown complacent who remained vigilant?  When human colonists were being taken in the hundreds of thousands who stood and said no more?  When the enemy was massing at our gates who made sure they did not go unopposed?  The Council failed, the Alliance failed, only Cerberus was willing and able to do what was necessary to stop the Collectors, and it is only because of them that humanity has any future at all.  So in essence yes, Cerberus is humanity.

This times a million.

[KarmaTheAlligator]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

You - no. Shepard - yes. Because Commander Shepard is a marine and he (she) accepted these rules when he enlisted, received his officer's commission, and agreed to work for TIM.

Isn't that what Renegade Shep is about though? Screw the rules, I do things my way.

[GuardianAngel470]

If you don't like cerberus then why not steal their most advanced warship? That way they can't use it and they essentially wasted millions of credits.

[macrocarl]

Scrwe TIM, Cerebus and the Alliance! YEAH! Imma paint the Normandy hot pink to match my helmet!