Someguy101 wrote...
i aint givin anything back to him.
he funds a project to bring back to life, he gives me a crew, shows me where the best of the best can be found, and gives me a new and improved ship.
i repay him by stealing his ship, his people including miranda and jacob, giving the sensitive cerberus data to the alliance and blowing up the collector base.
felt good trolling TIM.
Modifié par Goodwood, 18 mars 2010 - 09:18 .
Goodwood wrote...
Analogy fail.
In any case, there is no excuse for treason. There are four noteworthy reasons, summed up by the acronym MICE (money, ideology, conscience, ego). I wonder, Zulu_DFA, which reason is yours.
The Systems Alliance is the duly elected and enacted representation of humanity in the galaxy. To betray the Alliance is, in fact, to betray your species.
Not to mention the thresher incident with Kahoku's marines was years after Akuze; they REALLY should have figured out that thresher maws are bad news by then. Or they could have, you know, asked any other race in the galaxy. Krogan certainly have lots of thresher maw experience. There's no way there isn't a galactic wikipedia entry on them already.Terraneaux wrote...
enormousmoonboots wrote...
Because Cerberus is cartoonishly evil.
Either that or they don't understand science like the rest of the galaxy. Injecting acid into someone's bloodstream? Yeah, we know what that does, we don't need Cerberus to get 23rd century Mengele to perform experiments for the lulz.
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Steel Dancer wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Steel Dancer wrote...
Another reason not to give up the Normandy: all that Cerberus info that EDI gets access to after the locks come offs her.
You have all spoken to her after the locks come off, right....?
Seems TIM didn't entrust EDI with any sensitive facts. No names, no locations, not even definite number of Cerberus cells. Good luck!
Gotta start somewhere and Spectre status does have its uses. Plus bullets and a lot of anger can get you halfway across the galaxy If you use 'em right.
Oh and I wonder if they filed all the serial numbers off the parts you got on the SR2? lots of little money trails...
I see. You too want to end up like Kahoku. Or Paul Grayson.
Dude someone with a voice that awesome cannot be trusted. I agree with this post 100%enormousmoonboots wrote...
Not to mention the thresher incident with Kahoku's marines was years after Akuze; they REALLY should have figured out that thresher maws are bad news by then. Or they could have, you know, asked any other race in the galaxy. Krogan certainly have lots of thresher maw experience. There's no way there isn't a galactic wikipedia entry on them already.Terraneaux wrote...
enormousmoonboots wrote...
Because Cerberus is cartoonishly evil.
Either that or they don't understand science like the rest of the galaxy. Injecting acid into someone's bloodstream? Yeah, we know what that does, we don't need Cerberus to get 23rd century Mengele to perform experiments for the lulz.
I swear to god, nobody was sucking Cerberus's dick like this before the second game came out. It's all Martin Sheen's doing.
Bigdoser wrote...
Dude someone with a voice that awesome cannot be trusted. I agree with this post 100%enormousmoonboots wrote...
Not to mention the thresher incident with Kahoku's marines was years after Akuze; they REALLY should have figured out that thresher maws are bad news by then. Or they could have, you know, asked any other race in the galaxy. Krogan certainly have lots of thresher maw experience. There's no way there isn't a galactic wikipedia entry on them already.Terraneaux wrote...
enormousmoonboots wrote...
Because Cerberus is cartoonishly evil.
Either that or they don't understand science like the rest of the galaxy. Injecting acid into someone's bloodstream? Yeah, we know what that does, we don't need Cerberus to get 23rd century Mengele to perform experiments for the lulz.
I swear to god, nobody was sucking Cerberus's dick like this before the second game came out. It's all Martin Sheen's doing.
Steel Dancer wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Steel Dancer wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Steel Dancer wrote...
Another reason not to give up the Normandy: all that Cerberus info that EDI gets access to after the locks come offs her.
You have all spoken to her after the locks come off, right....?
Seems TIM didn't entrust EDI with any sensitive facts. No names, no locations, not even definite number of Cerberus cells. Good luck!
Gotta start somewhere and Spectre status does have its uses. Plus bullets and a lot of anger can get you halfway across the galaxy If you use 'em right.
Oh and I wonder if they filed all the serial numbers off the parts you got on the SR2? lots of little money trails...
I see. You too want to end up like Kahoku. Or Paul Grayson.
Bring it. You have neither the reach nor the flexibility. On any level.
(Oh the joys of a Renegade FemShep)
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Come on, confess, that you don't have a slightest idea of who has authority to what in the Alliance. 99% of people think that a certain diplomat has authourity to lockdown an Alliance warship lent out to the Citadel Council.
enormousmoonboots wrote...
Not to mention the thresher incident with Kahoku's marines was years after Akuze; they REALLY should have figured out that thresher maws are bad news by then. Or they could have, you know, asked any other race in the galaxy. Krogan certainly have lots of thresher maw experience. There's no way there isn't a galactic wikipedia entry on them already.
I swear to god, nobody was sucking Cerberus's dick like this before the second game came out. It's all Martin Sheen's doing.
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Steel Dancer wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Steel Dancer wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Steel Dancer wrote...
Another reason not to give up the Normandy: all that Cerberus info that EDI gets access to after the locks come offs her.
You have all spoken to her after the locks come off, right....?
Seems TIM didn't entrust EDI with any sensitive facts. No names, no locations, not even definite number of Cerberus cells. Good luck!
Gotta start somewhere and Spectre status does have its uses. Plus bullets and a lot of anger can get you halfway across the galaxy If you use 'em right.
Oh and I wonder if they filed all the serial numbers off the parts you got on the SR2? lots of little money trails...
I see. You too want to end up like Kahoku. Or Paul Grayson.
Bring it. You have neither the reach nor the flexibility. On any level.
(Oh the joys of a Renegade FemShep)
It's cool to know that TIM is trapped in virtual reality and can't actually wallop the crap out of your head and shove some sense up your arse... Because IRL you don't want to mess up with such people. Even if you're a mix of James Bond and John Rambo.
Zulu_DFA wrote...
It's cool to know that TIM is trapped in virtual reality and can't actually wallop the crap out of your head and shove some sense up your arse... Because IRL you don't want to mess up with such people. Even if you're a mix of James Bond and John Rambo.
Terraneaux wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
It's cool to know that TIM is trapped in virtual reality and can't actually wallop the crap out of your head and shove some sense up your arse... Because IRL you don't want to mess up with such people. Even if you're a mix of James Bond and John Rambo.
Shep has tangled with ancient alien robot gods and come out on top. Some jumped-up megalomaniacal neocon is not nearly as dangerous as Space Cthulhu.
Goodwood wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
It's cool to know that TIM is trapped in virtual reality and can't actually wallop the crap out of your head and shove some sense up your arse... Because IRL you don't want to mess up with such people. Even if you're a mix of James Bond and John Rambo.
Keep dreaming, dittohead.
It ain't just Shepard, remember. It's also her team, her crew, and all the resources of the Council and the Spectres. TIM has a snowball's chance in hell -- if he's stupid enough to make the first move.
Terraneaux wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Come on, confess, that you don't have a slightest idea of who has authority to what in the Alliance. 99% of people think that a certain diplomat has authourity to lockdown an Alliance warship lent out to the Citadel Council.
And you do? I assume that the Alliance military works fairly similarly to the United States military, as well as the militaries of the commonwealth nations (which might be more accurate, Bioware is Canadian after all).
As far as Udina's actions go, remember that the Citadel is under Council, not Alliance, authority. Alliance brass doesn't get to call the shots there.
Terraneaux wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
It's cool to know that TIM is trapped in virtual reality and can't actually wallop the crap out of your head and shove some sense up your arse... Because IRL you don't want to mess up with such people. Even if you're a mix of James Bond and John Rambo.
Shep has tangled with ancient alien robot gods and come out on top. Some jumped-up megalomaniacal neocon is not nearly as dangerous as Space Cthulhu.
Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 18 mars 2010 - 09:41 .
Goodwood wrote...
Keep dreaming, dittohead.
It ain't just Shepard, remember. It's also her team, her crew, and all the resources of the Council and the Spectres. TIM has a snowball's chance in hell -- if he's stupid enough to make the first move.
DPSSOC wrote...
Goodwood wrote...
Keep dreaming, dittohead.
It ain't just Shepard, remember. It's also her team, her crew, and all the resources of the Council and the Spectres. TIM has a snowball's chance in hell -- if he's stupid enough to make the first move.
Yes because they've been soooo helpful up until now.
Zulu_DFA wrote...
You - no. Shepard - yes. Because Commander Shepard is a marine and he (she) accepted these rules when he enlisted, received his officer's commission, and agreed to work for TIM.
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Chuck_Vu wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Terraneaux wrote...
DPSSOC wrote...
Terraneaux wrote...
There are a few traitors who are funneling money towards a terrorist organization, but that's it.
Traitors, or patriots?
Traitors. They're sending money to an organization which murders alliance soldiers.
They knew the risks.
Of being betrayed by the very people they swore to protect? The average Alliance soldier probably isn't aware that Cerebus even exists. Therefore it stands to reason, that the soldier would view a Cerebus agent, not as some black ops member, but a civilian that he's sworn to protect, or a fellow Alliance soldier who has his back.
Dying from the enemy is a risk all soldiers take. Dying from a knife in the back from your allies is not supposed be a risk.
Traitors
Have you read a copy of the contract, that people sign when they enlist in the Alliance Navy? May be they willfully subject themselves to highly realistic simulations without prior notice in course of advanced training and/or military research programs. You know, to serve humanity. The greater good. All the stuff.
Goodwood wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Steel Dancer wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Steel Dancer wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Steel Dancer wrote...
Another reason not to give up the Normandy: all that Cerberus info that EDI gets access to after the locks come offs her.
You have all spoken to her after the locks come off, right....?
Seems TIM didn't entrust EDI with any sensitive facts. No names, no locations, not even definite number of Cerberus cells. Good luck!
Gotta start somewhere and Spectre status does have its uses. Plus bullets and a lot of anger can get you halfway across the galaxy If you use 'em right.
Oh and I wonder if they filed all the serial numbers off the parts you got on the SR2? lots of little money trails...
I see. You too want to end up like Kahoku. Or Paul Grayson.
Bring it. You have neither the reach nor the flexibility. On any level.
(Oh the joys of a Renegade FemShep)
It's cool to know that TIM is trapped in virtual reality and can't actually wallop the crap out of your head and shove some sense up your arse... Because IRL you don't want to mess up with such people. Even if you're a mix of James Bond and John Rambo.
Keep dreaming, dittohead.
It ain't just Shepard, remember. It's also her team, her crew, and all the resources of the Council and the Spectres. TIM has a snowball's chance in hell -- if he's stupid enough to make the first move.
) and no despite all claims of Cerberus Lovers here Timmy don't have any kind of authority over my Shepard from the moment she was reinstalled as Spectre.:D
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Udina used Shepard to get to the Council and succeded (as a side effect a galaxy was saved from an immindent destruction).
Then Shepard was sent to his death.
Then TIM rebuild Shepard and successfully used him to destroy the Collectors.
Shepard = tool, pawn, errand boy.
Modifié par KarmaTheAlligator, 18 mars 2010 - 09:53 .
Zulu_DFA wrote...
KarmaTheAlligator wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
You - no. Shepard - yes. Because Commander Shepard is a marine and he (she) accepted these rules when he enlisted, received his officer's commission, and agreed to work for TIM.
Isn't that what Renegade Shep is about though? Screw the rules, I do things my way.
"Pure psychopathic renegade" Shepard is. "Ends justify the means renegade" Shepard isn't. I mean he does say "screw the rules" to the boyscout / good christian morality guide, but he adheres to the unritten rules of expediencey of which I am talking about. And those rules say that it may be required at some to expend him as well.
Recall Eden Prime. Are you sure Anderson had been unaware of the incoming attack and it was just a pecaution to send him, you, a council spectre and a stealth frigate there? But he tells you: "Info strictly on the need-to-know basis", and he means it. And you accept it. Neither he tells you all he knows about Banes later on.
Shepard is a middle-ranking officer, not the hub of the universe. His mission is unique, but he is not entirely in charge of it. People in charge have him do the shooting.
CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
KarmaTheAlligator wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
You - no. Shepard - yes. Because Commander Shepard is a marine and he (she) accepted these rules when he enlisted, received his officer's commission, and agreed to work for TIM.
Isn't that what Renegade Shep is about though? Screw the rules, I do things my way.
"Pure psychopathic renegade" Shepard is. "Ends justify the means renegade" Shepard isn't. I mean he does say "screw the rules" to the boyscout / good christian morality guide, but he adheres to the unritten rules of expediencey of which I am talking about. And those rules say that it may be required at some to expend him as well.
Recall Eden Prime. Are you sure Anderson had been unaware of the incoming attack and it was just a pecaution to send him, you, a council spectre and a stealth frigate there? But he tells you: "Info strictly on the need-to-know basis", and he means it. And you accept it. Neither he tells you all he knows about Banes later on.
Shepard is a middle-ranking officer, not the hub of the universe. His mission is unique, but he is not entirely in charge of it. People in charge have him do the shooting.
You may have a point... at least until 1/10 of the way into ME1 when Shepard became a SPECTRE. He doesn't answer to the Alliance anymore. Only the Council. The Normandy and its' crew, however, were on loan from the Alliance. Nothing says he couldn't just get his own ship, though. Oh look, a completely illegitimate terrorist group handed Shep one in ME2. Thanks, Cerberus... but I don't condone the atrocities you commit on a daily basis. I'll enjoy the ship... pray there's no info lying around that reveals your location, or your ass will be dragged before the Council, literally.
Asheer_Khan wrote...
There are as well Geth and Rachni ready to help Shepard (i assume that "visit in Timmy's house" will be first case of Geth INTENTIONAL Infiltration
Well:
Shepard's revival - 4 milion credits.
New Normandy - 250 milion credits
Pissed off Timmy - Priceless
And one more thing... If Commanding officer will give away any info about pending military operation and will be catch on act then this IS counted as HIGH STATE TREASON and usually end whit Death penalty.
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