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[Geaux Saints 82]

So, I am new to dragon age.  Just bought the collector's edition after hearing so many great things about it.  I've gone through the origin story and am about to go light the fire.  I've also made sure to buy 2 backpacks already.

But, before I got too far into the game, i just wanted to check with the veterans here to see if there were any things i hsould make sure i do in the beginning, or things i should not waste experience or skills on.  I'm a warrior.


Finally, since my guy will be a warrior (tank warrior), can anyone of you give me suggestions for setting up tactics for my team?

Thanks so much guys!

[Ramante]

This is the no spoiler part of the boards, so prepare yourself for a vague answer.



Make sure you do the the quests in the Wilds, they are easy to miss/fail.

The first town you visit after Ostagar, you can recrute two pary members (for some reason a lot of people miss at least one of them in the first playthrough).

Alistair will give you tips on where to go, he will claim you should go to a certain town first. Don't listen to him.

A smart thing to do is go to the circle first, you can get a lot of nice things there.



Can't help you on the Warrior tactic part, I hate playing as a warrior. ;p

[Geaux Saints 82]

Thanks for such a quick answer Ramante. I always worry i will pass up something important early on that i can't get back to or that i will build a character stupidly and just be SOL the rest of the game.

As for the tactics, I'm happy to hear how you set your players for any party. I'm assuming my party will be me, rogue, and 2 mages...

[Ramante]

I practically always play as a rogue (dirty fighting, love it).



I'll send you a pm, since this is no spoilers allowed.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Well, without overwhelming you with 100 things i can state some basics.

A warrior is hard to screw up. Pick a weapon style and stick with it, dn't spread out over all of them....other than that anything should work. If you are playing on casual or normal it is practically impossible to make a warrior that is useless.
Pro Tip: Dexterity increases defense values and is much more useful overall than constitution, which increases hitpoints. A front line fighter should have a good dexterity score as well as some con, because avoiding a hit is always better than soaking the damage. In fact, a pure Dex warrior is preferable over a pure con warrior for survivability alone, not to mention that dex also helps you to hit things.

The most important thing when starting DA though, is remember to PAUSE. Pause at the beginning of a fight, pause every coupe of seconds during a fight. Not sure what you should be doing? Pause. Have you paused recently? Yes? So what...pause again. D yo have a pet? Pause the game I can't stress it enough. many new players get overwhelmed and frustrated because of the steep learning curve, but pausing lets you take your time and really figure out what is going on, and what would be the best move to make next. There is no rush to get through anything. Once you get a firm handle on things you will find you need to pause less.

Lastly....don't charge into things! This s somewhat tied to the pause thing, but really has to do with common sense. This isn't a hack n' slash game, and charging into battle without thinking things through will most likely see you impaled on one of those oh-so-chic poles the darkspawn use to display their victims. Pause the game, look at what you are facing....make the enemy fight on your terms not on theirs.

Modifié par Sloth Of Doom, 18 mars 2010 - 08:25 .

[Haexpane]

Ramante wrote...

This is the no spoiler part of the boards, so prepare yourself for a vague answer.

Make sure you do the the quests in the Wilds, they are easy to miss/fail.
The first town you visit after Ostagar, you can recrute two pary members (for some reason a lot of people miss at least one of them in the first playthrough).
 p

This is the most important thing you should know.  I missed out on 2 companions.. since they don't import to awakenings anyway I guess it doesn't matter anymore.

But it's very very easy to miss 2 companions in the first few hours of the game.  I found that to be a huge huge let down.

[Haexpane]

YOu don't need any tactics unless you play on hard/nightmare

[Sloth Of Doom]

Haexpane wrote...

YOu don't need any tactics unless you play on hard/nightmare

QFT

The default tactics handle things quite well on normal or casual.  In fact, i would recommend micromanaging your party to start with 9but lave default tactics on).  It will help you get a better feel for the game and how all of the classes work.  Once you think you have that down firmly, the tactics themselves are rather self explanatory.    It is always better to understand WHY you are doing something rather than being told 'Dude just click this think"

[Geaux Saints 82]

I'm playing on normal. So is it a waste to invest in tactics? I have found already that it's helpful for my guys to take potions automatically when their health is less than 50%

i've also invested in cunning.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Auto-potions are always good (personally I prefer t do it myself) but I really don;t see the big deal with complex tactics, aside from as a logic problem.



if you want, check out the game play forums where people talk about the subtleties of tactics for page upon page.

[marbatico]

i have one basic advise for you, always have a ranged weapon on your main char as a secundairy weapon,

as a str warior use a crossbow, as a dex warior use a longbow.

always try to shoot your enemy so they charge at you instead of the other way around.

[bombUp]

Geaux Saints 82 wrote...

So, I am new to dragon age.  Just bought the collector's edition after hearing so many great things about it.  I've gone through the origin story and am about to go light the fire.  I've also made sure to buy 2 backpacks already.

But, before I got too far into the game, i just wanted to check with the veterans here to see if there were any things i hsould make sure i do in the beginning, or things i should not waste experience or skills on.  I'm a warrior.


Finally, since my guy will be a warrior (tank warrior), can anyone of you give me suggestions for setting up tactics for my team?

Thanks so much guys!

If your a tank go for a balanced party.

[Last Darkness]

Hmmm your a Tank Warrior then?

Ok just so you know you dont need Alistair setup to tank then.

Try not to have more then two melee characters as it gets crowded alot.

If you pick up leilana in Lothering, dont be tempted to keep her as a Archer. Switch her to duel wield weapons and get her Str to 20, Dex to 32, and every other point into Cunning, then make sure to get her rogue skill "Lethality" this will make her MUCH MUCH more improved for your party since her bard skills rely on cunning stat and with Lethality your cunning stat adds to your damage as if it were Str for melee rogues.

Suggested order for yoru first game is this

1. Ostagar and Korcari Wilds

2. Lothering

3. Circle Tower

4. Redcliffe Village and Redcliffe Castle

5. Brecilian Forest

6. Haven

7. Orzammar and Denerim in either order you prefer

8. The Landsmeet and the rest of the game

If you have it I suggest getting Shale and taking that member to Orzamar with you for added dialog and quests.



Tank Warrior Advice......

You only need Shield Block in the Sword and Shields attack Tree, get the other two lines maxed though. You want Shield Wall and Shield Mastery as fast as possible.

In Warrior base tree get Threaten and Taunt as soon as possible. Then Bravery and the last ability after that that gives you stamina for each kill. Dont go past Taunt in the second line though its useless. Specilisation wise.....For a Tank Templar/Champion or Champion/Templar is good. Get the Champion abilities first and max them over Templars. When you can afford it I belive at the entrance to orzamar theres a merchant who sells a 40% Spell resist armor get that and in your camp get the "Spellward" necklace from the merchant. As a sword shield tank you need spell resistance so get as much as possible. It will max at 100% though FYI.

Stat wise....get your Str to 42 then start putting the rest of your points into Dex since it helps you to hit guys and each point of dex boosts your defense by 1. Said previusly get a crossbow as your secondary weapon or bow if you can equip one and use that to "Pull" guys instead of rushing into them. Depnding on your Origen you can help yourself alot....for a tank (Dwarf Noble makes the best tank in the game follwed by human noble) If a dwarf noble two point I must say are first place to go after lothering is visit the merchant "gorim" in denerim and he will give you arguably one of the best shields in the game. Also of note if your a dwarf noble Gorim in Denerim will buy your items for around 50% more money. After that just go to circle tower since your not doing any event in denerim yet, just visiting the merchant.

[Geaux Saints 82]

Thanks for all the help guys. If you have any more suggestions, please let me know.

[Janni-in-VA]

You've gotten really excellent advice and should do just fine with it. The only thing I suggest to new players regarding tactics is to go ahead and play for a couple of hours with things on the default settings. That way, you get an idea of what you need your party members to do other than what they're doing. (if that makes any sense whatsoever) Then, take about 20 or 30 minutes to really look through the tactics screen and what's available to you. Look at all the presets, read the descriptions, study the choices carefully. I've had great luck with tactics once I put a little time into the game and then into understanding what tactics could do for me.

[Last Darkness]

Hope it helps, most of the stuff you end up being all...."I wish I would have did my guy liek this, except your near the end of the game"
My "main" Warden right now is a female Dwarf Noble with Sword+Shield as the tank for the party. I use leilana as a Archer(Big regrets there) Wynn as a Healer and Alistair setup as a Duel Wield Warrior(Mistake there dince I boosted his stats in Dex before learnning about the Dex bug)
I also was as "Good/Benevelent" as I could be in that playthrough.
lessons Learned, dont get all the sword+shield attack skills, you only need shield block/slam the first ability.  Get Taunt and Shield wall ASAP. If I could redo it theres definetly viability to make a excellent Two Hand weapon tank im trying on my new human noble.
Alistair has a high dex and can be made into some other melee possibilties then tank. Duel Wield hes allright, two hand can be ok. I wanna try him next as a Warrior Archer because of his naturaly high Dex.
Leilana, works better as a cunning based Bard/Assassin by a LONG shot. Bonus from having high Cunning is you dont need to pick lockpicking beyond 1 saving yourself 3 skill choices. Duel wield her a good main hand, and a nice dagger offhand and shes a terror.
Wynn....good healer, made her a bloodmage and she never ran out of "mana" by having her switch in and out of blood magic according to her health or mana levels with tactics.

Regrets...not having Ogren and Dog in my party. Two of my personal favorite characters.

Future ideas
Want to try Morrigan setup as pure Shapeshifter with Arcane Warrior and Str investment. Should be a beastly Bear or Spider.
Never tried Shale as a archer, think Stone Aura/Archer setup would be OP
Sten unimpressed with him, also only has one spec option.

Biggest Regret
Cant figure out how to make "Warden Walken
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Modifié par Last Darkness, 19 mars 2010 - 12:35 .

[MindYerBeak]

To add more fun to the game I don't bother with Tactics, I micromanage my team. I use Pause often and like to think of myself as being Alexander The Great when working out a strategy, especially during the Boss endgames. By careful selection of classes you can become a formidable foe. I personally use a Tank, a Thief and 2 Mages. Make my day, Punk!

[Sneelonz]

In Orzammar, check out the throne ASAP...

Modifié par Sneelonz, 19 mars 2010 - 04:01 .

[AlanC9]

Concerning shapeshifting, the manual doesn't make clear that armor and melee damage for the shifted forms are based on what you had before you shifted. The staff isn't a melee weapon, so if you shapeshift with the staff equipped your shapeshifted form's damage will be based on your fist damage -- that is, it'll suck. For good shapeshifted forms, you need to equip good armor and weapons before shifting. This may influence your build somewhat.

[Last Darkness]

AlanC9 wrote...

Concerning shapeshifting, the manual doesn't make clear that armor and melee damage for the shifted forms are based on what you had before you shifted. The staff isn't a melee weapon, so if you shapeshift with the staff equipped your shapeshifted form's damage will be based on your fist damage -- that is, it'll suck. For good shapeshifted forms, you need to equip good armor and weapons before shifting. This may influence your build somewhat.

Shapeshifter/Arcane Warrior with All points in Str.
Combine with Massive Armor and a Good Weapon you become literaly a terror and a beast in your Spider and especialy Bear forms.

[Geaux Saints 82]

what is the dex bug?

[Sloth Of Doom]

Geaux Saints 82 wrote...

what is the dex bug?

You are on PC, so just patch the game and there is no dex bug.  People are being misleading for no apparent reason.

[Geaux Saints 82]

I just bought the game through steam a few days ago, do i still need to patch it?



Also, if so, is there a special way i have to patch something if it's done through steam?



Thanks.

[Haexpane]

Geaux Saints 82 wrote...

I'm playing on normal. So is it a waste to invest in tactics? I have found already that it's helpful for my guys to take potions automatically when their health is less than 50%
i've also invested in cunning.

Yes/no.  From level 1-10 or so manual tactics might help more, but default work well enough.  My Awakenings toons are all on default and are destroying everything on medium

[Geaux Saints 82]

Geaux Saints 82 wrote...

I just bought the collector's edition of the game through steam a few days ago, do i still need to patch it?

Also, if so, is there a special way i have to patch something if it's done through steam?

Thanks.

anyone?