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[kariod]

After playing through ME2 three times as a paragon (a FemShep import, a MaleShep new char, and then a remake of that MaleShep starting from ME1 and importing), I am starting on a renegade MaleShep import. Renegade was terribly fun (and oft hilarious) in ME1, and I don't doubt that it is the same in ME2. However, I am running into a bit of a problem:

<3 I LIKE MY CREW TOO DAMN MUCH. <3

I always enjoyed the team in ME1, and could relate with them and their backstories. But with the greater development of the ME2 team with loyalty missions and a bit more developed love interests, I find myself connecting with the characters more than I ever did in the first game. Obviously, this is far from a bad thing. But I've come to find that I am a complete wuss. I absolutely hate refusing to hand over Veetor to Tali and the Migrant Fleet. I can't stand letting Miranda just walk away from her sister without speaking to her. Letting Mordin or Jack kill defenseless, cowering individuals feels so cold. The list could go on.

Going all renegade on random people or enemies doesn't bother me much. Clearly its my moral stance that lets me feel bad about hurting those I care about, and less so those I barely know (and of course it is just FICTION... don't let me mislead anyone into thinking I believe these people are real), but I am curious if others have felt the same. Are there other bleeding-heart paragons out there that are struggling to play through as a renegade?

:innocent:

Modifié par kariod, 18 mars 2010 - 08:27 .

[Vamp44]

No. It doesn't.

[JeanLuc761]

I couldn't be a dick to any of my crew members even if my life depended on it.

Everyone else is pretty much fair game.


EDIT:  Adding to this, for some reason I'm completely incapable of being anything but benevolent to Quarians.  Why are they so damn likable?!

Modifié par JeanLuc761, 18 mars 2010 - 08:31 .

[Goodwood]

I've never tried to be a renegade character. It just isn't in me -- just like I can't fathom playing a dark-sided character in either KotOR game. So no, it's not just you.

[The Angry One]

FemShep being an ass to Jacob is the only way to keep their convos tolerable..

[Landline]

That's why I never go full renegade.



I also never go full paragon.



Paragade is best.

[Daewan]

When I play Paragon, I do Paragon things.

When I play Renegade, I do Renegade things.

I have different reasons for what I do depending on the character. Sometimes, it makes sense to do Renegade things, even on Paragon. (I don't care what the little bar says, my Paragon isn't going to shoot someone in cold blood. I can't make that a Paragon action, no matter how I try to excuse it.)

If you're going to be a Renegade, make up your reasons first and then play your character. You don't always have to make the Renegade choice, trust me, you'll probably still max out the bar.

[Internet Kraken]

I can never be a complete jerk to my squadmates. I'll let them do things I don't personally like in my renegade playthroughs, but I won't actually insult them. It feels like I'm just being an ass if I do that.

Off the top of my head, revealing the evidence about Tali's father is the only renegade option I can choose that makes a crew member hate you.

EDIT:  Adding to this, for some reason I'm completely
incapable of being anything but benevolent to Quarians.  Why are they
so damn likable?!

It's kind of the opposite for me. The only Quarian I can tolerate is Kal'Reeger.

Modifié par Internet Kraken, 18 mars 2010 - 08:36 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Yes.

[KarmaTheAlligator]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

I couldn't be a dick to any of my crew members even if my life depended on it.

Everyone else is pretty much fair game.


EDIT:  Adding to this, for some reason I'm completely incapable of being anything but benevolent to Quarians.  Why are they so damn likable?!

One name: Tali.

Back on topic, I feel the same way, I can't be an ass to my crew, but anyone else who pisses me off will get their due.

[Vamp44]

Internet Kraken wrote...

It's kind of the opposite for me. The only Quarian I can tolerate is Kal'Reeger.

[Steel Dancer]

I usually Paragon through most things, but adding a little Renegade does season things nicely, giving the whole thing a much better taste.

[JeanLuc761]

Internet Kraken wrote...
It's kind of the opposite for me. The only Quarian I can tolerate is Kal'Reeger.

*shrugs*  To each their own

Edit*

Internet Kraken wrote...
Off the top of my head, revealing the
evidence about Tali's father is the only renegade option I can choose
that makes a crew member hate you.

I couldn't do that.  I saw the video on youtube and I friggin died inside

Modifié par JeanLuc761, 18 mars 2010 - 08:44 .

[ObserverStatus]

I wish Bioware didn't make so many situations where you needed full paragon or renegade to win. Purple Shepards don't get any love.

[The Governator]

Goodwood wrote...

I've never tried to be a renegade character. It just isn't in me -- just like I can't fathom playing a dark-sided character in either KotOR game. So no, it's not just you.

I am the same way, Goodwood.  I use youtube mostly to fill in the renegade stuff I miss.  Otherwise I cannot do it.

[kariod]

bobobo878 wrote...

I wish Bioware didn't make so many situations where you needed full paragon or renegade to win. Purple Shepards don't get any love.

I would tend to agree. I have mixed feelings about "Paragade" or "Renegon" primarily because it seems like conversation mechanics are heavily based on the idea that the player will, for the most part, pick one or the other. Whether you end up with one of the bars maxed or not, Charm and Intimidate checks fail at various points if you don't perfectly balance it, and its hard to know just what is necessary. Admittedly it can lead to a more dynamic series of events throughout the game, but it's not the way I want to go in my first few playthroughs.

[silentstephi]

Most of the time, the Paragon options make my teeth hurt.

I don't go out of the way to be a dick to my squadmates, they're like my family in this screwed up bid to save the galaxy.

But said galaxy is just going to have to put up with my style of saving them... namely when I tell them to go to hell and get out of my way. >.>

So yea... Renegade... most of the time. I can't be mean to Tali, but I can't hug her. She's gotta toughen up a bit.

[ObserverStatus]

I felt that since you need paragon and renegade points to gain the loyalty of everyone, they were steering your actions rather than measuring them.

[Mondo47]

I find it hard to make moral choices I wouldn't make in reality, I'll freely admit to that. Sometimes though lines do need stepping over. I mean, shoving that Eclipse merc through that window... Eclipse don't earn their colours until they've made a kill, so the guy's certainly a murderer in one count, likely more as he's leading a squad... pushing him out the 184th floor is fairly moral in my book then. Plus it's so damn satisfying

[Mnemnosyne]

I find it idiotic that decisions to be nice to your crew members are considered 'paragon' and decisions to be jackasses to them are 'renegade.' Even if you view them as nothing more than tools to be used, you still have to depend on them. You do not want them to hate your guts and maybe one day decide to let you die in a critical situation.



Either way, sticking to doing 'paragon things' or 'renegade things' seems to me like a silly way to play. I just decide what this character would do in this situation. Sometimes that's marked as the paragon choice, other times it's marked as the renegade choice. I never really have problems unlocking dialogue options behaving this way, so I'm clearly doing something right.

[KnotEngaged]

I'm a people pleaser in RL and that reflects in my gameplay decisions. Sure if someone is an ass to me I won't hesitate to give them a beat down. However, I believe in being open-minded, friendly, and helpful, just how I was raised. I'm a believer in Karma and people owing you a favor for a favor.



Also Krogan are just too damn adorable for me to be mean to them! And I can't help but try and help Quarians who get treated like dirt by everyone else.

[LyudmilaKatzen]

I had an easier time being renegade in ME2 than in ME1 IIRC. Being renegade in ME1 felt like it was all about being as much of an ass as possible, and often those actions didn't agree with each other. Obviously people can be full of contradictions, but stuff like supporting the anti-alien politian yet being a jerk to the anti-alien negotiator and therefore making sure his pro-alien assistant would go into the meetings really jumped out at me as not making much sense. I could see all the paragon actions as being done by the same person: loyal, forgiving, honorable, compassionate. The renegade actions in ME2 seemed to "gel" better for me.

But yeah, I'm a paragon at heart and probably always will be (with the occasional renegade interrupt lol). 

[allankles]

There are some Renagde interrupts my Paragon has to make; Gunship mechanic on Omega, Eclipse Merc on Miranda's loyalty mission. Just like my mostly Renagade Shep will hug Tali or disarm Thane's son.



It makes it more realistic for Shep to mix up his responses depending on the situation e.g. my Shep is all-business and takes a hard line when talking to Jack on her recruitement mission, regarless of alignment.

[KarmaTheAlligator]

allankles wrote...

There are some Renagde interrupts my Paragon has to make; Gunship mechanic on Omega, Eclipse Merc on Miranda's loyalty mission. Just like my mostly Renagade Shep will hug Tali or disarm Thane's son.

It makes it more realistic for Shep to mix up his responses depending on the situation e.g. my Shep is all-business and takes a hard line when talking to Jack on her recruitement mission, regarless of alignment.

I agree with that 200%

[ObserverStatus]

It definitely didn't hurt my soul when I gave Udina a piece of my mind.