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[WarChicken78]

I've got the advantage of being a P&P roleplayer for a long time.

If I play an ass... well, he's a real ass then.

Doesn't hurt my soul - only his, and that is not my problem.



But I have to admit, my first runthrough is always the 'me'-runthrough.

The only role I play then, is my own, and I frequently reloaded if the outcome was not like I expected it. And yes, in some situations being an ass hurt during this run... at least until I found the F9 button. Shooting conrad in his knee didn't hurt a bit, tho...

[thegreateski]

I'm saving the galaxy. I don't have time for your stupid feelings, now get back to cleaning the engines Tali.

[Tooneyman]

Being a renegade in ME 2 was the funniest thing I did. Not helping the Salarian dude when she got shot. Not helping the batarian with the disease and then punching a few people. Me 2's renegade felt like a renegade a cold evil person and boy did I enjoy it. Now time for the evil grin. ';.,,.;' This is why we play video games so we can do the things in the virtue world and not have to worry about the real world. woohoo.

[thegreateski]

Tooneyman wrote...

Being a renegade in ME 2 was the funniest thing I did. Not helping the Salarian dude when she got shot. Not helping the batarian with the disease and then punching a few people. Me 2's renegade felt like a renegade a cold evil person and boy did I enjoy it. Now time for the evil grin. ';.,,.;' This is why we play video games so we can do the things in the virtue world and not have to worry about the real world. woohoo.

I'm disappointed. You need to work on your evil grins.

[Jarcander]

While I enjoy exploring every possible option in a game, I usually find paragon Shep too much of a tool so I tend to slip into renegade activities often. If I didn't meta-game at all, I'd probably be somewhere at 33% paragon 66% renegade.



Also, thanks to a fabulous last year all my female characters tend to be full renegades due to a fact that (almost) all females are evil.

[Bigdoser]

Jarcander wrote...

While I enjoy exploring every possible option in a game, I usually find paragon Shep too much of a tool so I tend to slip into renegade activities often. If I didn't meta-game at all, I'd probably be somewhere at 33% paragon 66% renegade.

Also, thanks to a fabulous last year all my female characters tend to be full renegades due to a fact that (almost) all females are evil.

Paragon shep a tool? please explain how paragon shep is a tool.

[Madame November]

I <3 tool.

[Jarcander]

Bigdoser wrote...

Jarcander wrote...

While I enjoy exploring every possible option in a game, I usually find paragon Shep too much of a tool so I tend to slip into renegade activities often. If I didn't meta-game at all, I'd probably be somewhere at 33% paragon 66% renegade.

Also, thanks to a fabulous last year all my female characters tend to be full renegades due to a fact that (almost) all females are evil.

Paragon shep a tool? please explain how paragon shep is a tool.

Blue Suns Asari: Don't shoot me, I'm not like the rest of them!
Paragon Shepard: Okay. You should leave then.

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Racist Turian Politician: I will stop at nothing less than removing all humans from council space!
Paragon Shepard: Right-o, it's free democracy.

[mortons4ck]

Utilitarian Shepard always looks for the best way to promote Galactic Stability.

A happy squad is a productive squad.



A racist Turian politician who would seek to destabilize inter-species relations is a threat to Galactic Stability and therefore must be terminated with extreme prejudice (Spectres have a duty to uphold Galactic Stability after all).



The ends justify the means, but it is also important to avoid long-term collateral damage.

[Revan312]

Internet Kraken wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Really? Because the only Quarians I can tolerate is Kal and that Quwib Quiwb guy.

I would like Qwib Qwib more if he didn't use those cheap political tactics. But among Quarians he is still one of the better ones, at least when compared to the other admirals. I think the best thing about showing the evidence is that you get to ****** off Xen and Loghain.

I love Xen, though that might be because I'm a rabid Claudia Black fan.  Looking at her critically she's the only one out of the Quarians that seemed to care about getting the job done no matter what she had to do, manipulate, produce illegal  geth units, politically outmaneuver her oppenents etc.  She might have been cold, but desperate times call for, well you know.

[Wild Still]

Renegade is far more satisfying than paragon. Shepard is a bad ass either way though.

[Internet Kraken]

Revan312 wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Really? Because the only Quarians I can tolerate is Kal and that Quwib Quiwb guy.

I would like Qwib Qwib more if he didn't use those cheap political tactics. But among Quarians he is still one of the better ones, at least when compared to the other admirals. I think the best thing about showing the evidence is that you get to ****** off Xen and Loghain.

I love Xen, though that might be because I'm a rabid Claudia Black fan.  Looking at her critically she's the only one out of the Quarians that seemed to care about getting the job done no matter what she had to do, manipulate, produce illegal  geth units, politically outmaneuver her oppenents etc.  She might have been cold, but desperate times call for, well you know.

I labeled her as an idiot right from the start for thinking she could control the Geth. If there's one thing I hate about Quarian's, it's their inability to learn from past mistakes. Xen is a manifestaton of this flaw.

[Kileyan]

Nothing new here. It is hard to be a renegade Shep, because 90 percent of the time he isn't making important decisions and being pragmatic. 90 perecent of his renegade choices are just being a total d-i-c-khead jerk.



Some of the major renegade choices are very cool, those in between are just the choices of a 13 year old bully.

[Revan312]

Internet Kraken wrote...

I labeled her as an idiot right from the start for thinking she could control the Geth. If there's one thing I hate about Quarian's, it's their inability to learn from past mistakes. Xen is a manifestaton of this flaw.

If we never tried to reinvent or tried to succeed where we failed before, than we would never have aircraft, or cars or really any sort of societal advancement .  Just because the Quarians failed to control them before doesn't mean they couldn't find a way to actually keep them on a leash.  Failure is a teaching tool, that's true, but mostly it teaches how NOT to go at a problem or situation again, it doesn't normally teach us to just forget about trying to do it all together.

Which is why I stand by my like of Xen, she's like the renegade shepard of the Quarians, success at any cost, lol.

[Kwom Masbag]

Bah! I'm much too nice of a guy to go Renengade to a large degree. I can live with some interrupts, but when I tried a Renegade playthrough in ME1, the most I could do was punch out Manuel. I am incapable of being a Renegade, so I've learned to embrace my Paragon. ^.^

[OneBadAssMother]

I tend to have a full bar of paragon and about 3-4/5 bars of renegade. My Shepard is a nice guy to his crew, an absolute terror to his enemies. As it should be heh

[Darthnemesis2]

Renegade is fine for the most part. Sometimes its kinda stupid though

[ObserverStatus]

Renegade has it's lows like shooting Shiala, punching the reporter, and kissing Cerberus ass.

[scxenophobe]

bobobo878 wrote...

Renegade has it's lows like shooting Shiala, punching the reporter, and kissing Cerberus ass.

This is not a low.

[enormousmoonboots]

WarChicken78 wrote...

I've got the advantage of being a P&P roleplayer for a long time.
If I play an ass... well, he's a real ass then.
Doesn't hurt my soul - only his, and that is not my problem.

The thing about PNP roleplaying is that you have to be a dick to real people, to their faces. Whenever somebody rolls Chaotic Evil in my group, it quickly unites the rest of the party against him; either they decide to aggressively ignore him or kill him outright. Of course, the opposite is also true; I've had real-life dickery ("I don't feel like roleplaying tonight, for the third time in three sessions. I think I'm gonna sit on your couch, eat your food, and play Pokemon instead.") lead to in-game murders.

[Internet Kraken]

Revan312 wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

I labeled her as an idiot right from the start for thinking she could control the Geth. If there's one thing I hate about Quarian's, it's their inability to learn from past mistakes. Xen is a manifestaton of this flaw.

If we never tried to reinvent or tried to succeed where we failed before, than we would never have aircraft, or cars or really any sort of societal advancement . Just because the Quarians failed to control them before doesn't mean they couldn't find a way to actually keep them on a leash. Failure is a teaching tool, that's true, but mostly it teaches how NOT to go at a problem or situation again, it doesn't normally teach us to just forget about trying to do it all together.

Which is why I stand by my like of Xen, she's like the renegade shepard of the Quarians, success at any cost, lol.

None of your comparisons are accurate. It's not like they are trying to perfect some invention. Xen is trying to enslave an entire race. A race that has proven numerous times to be resistant to attempts to force them into slavery. A race that just slaughtered everyone on the Alerai because they tried to do the same thing Xen is doing. Quite frankly, it's a stupid idea.

It would be like the Salarians finding another race like the Krogans and making the same mistake of giving them advanced technology. It's just asking for trouble. There are many ways to learn from your past. Sometimes your failures teach you how to do something the right way, Sometimes they teach you that it was foolish to attempt such a thing in the first place.

Xen strikes me as insane rather than renegade. There is a reason her opinion on the synthetics are in the minority.

And only after typing this whole post out did I realize that our discussion his completley irrelevant to this thread. Not sure what to say about that.

Modifié par Internet Kraken, 19 mars 2010 - 03:49 .

[kariod]

Internet Kraken wrote...
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And only after typing this whole post out did I realize that our discussion his completley irrelevant to this thread. Not sure what to say about that.

At least no one is wanting to crack anyone else open to see if they have a sugary sweet center anymore.

[yam123]

Goodwood wrote...

I've never tried to be a renegade character. It just isn't in me -- just like I can't fathom playing a dark-sided character in either KotOR game. So no, it's not just you.

You're really missing out. The chances for evil are alot greater in kotor than ME2 though. I mean you can make Zaalbar kill Mission. Hilarious. You should run through as an experiment and make yourself do the most heinous things, it's kinda funny after awhile.

[Revan312]

Internet Kraken wrote...

None of your comparisons are accurate. It's not like they are trying to perfect some invention. Xen is trying to enslave an entire race. A race that has proven numerous times to be resistant to attempts to force them into slavery. A race that just slaughtered everyone on the Alerai because they tried to do the same thing Xen is doing. Quite frankly, it's a stupid idea.

It would be like the Salarians finding another race like the Krogans and making the same mistake of giving them advanced technology. It's just asking for trouble. There are many ways to learn from your past. Sometimes your failures teach you how to do something the right way, Sometimes they teach you that it was foolish to attempt such a thing in the first place.

Xen strikes me as insane rather than renegade. There is a reason her opinion on the synthetics are in the minority.

And only after typing this whole post out did I realize that our discussion his completley irrelevant to this thread. Not sure what to say about that.

I'd say they're accurate, she is trying to perfect an invention, one they created and one that went awry.  I know exactly what your saying, but the geth are machines and no matter what faulty engineering went into them, they can be changed, crafted and re-invented such that they will be subserviant. Also, even if they weren't changed at the wiring level, AI's, as EDI said, are misunderstood because of the problems in the past and if Legion doesn't prove the point that all Geth are not created equal than nothing will.  There's the heritics and then theres the normies. 

I think Xen has the right frame of mind when it comes right down to it.  She knows that they created them and it went horribly wrong, and instead of trying to simply destroy them all and futily try and retake their planet, or, try and bring the Geth to the peace table, she's attempting to circumvent all of that and get down to the core problem, which is why did their creations rebel and how should they try and correct the problem.  Geth = stronger than the Quarians, both in number and in raw strength. Quarians = smarter, both mechanically and tacticaly, why not try and simply re-establish dominance over their own machines instead of going down either of the other two pointless and obviously 'would be' unsuccesful paths.

There's so few Quarians left and deciding to deal with the geth with either a war or with a "problem under the rug" peace proposal seems illogical. Deal with the problem at it's heart, which is the Geth themselves and that's what Xen's opinions represent to me.

Also, ya, this is totally off topic, hehehe

[Quaay]

I never could be renegade in ME1...couldn't kill Wrex or the Rachni queen or be mean enough to Conrad to make him commit suicide. Just couldn't. I had a couple "mostly" renegade characters in ME2 but still never turned in Tali's father or stopped Miranda from talking to her sister. I'm a softie.