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[OneBadAssMother]

Go Paragade, only way to play the game.



And yeah, I can't kill Wrex either, genocide on the Rachni queen... can't do it either. Shoving a gun in Conrad's face, heh do it all the time!!!! Punching the reporter? ALL THE TIME!!! xD

[enormousmoonboots]

yam123 wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

I've never tried to be a renegade character. It just isn't in me -- just like I can't fathom playing a dark-sided character in either KotOR game. So no, it's not just you.

You're really missing out. The chances for evil are alot greater in kotor than ME2 though. I mean you can make Zaalbar kill Mission. Hilarious. You should run through as an experiment and make yourself do the most heinous things, it's kinda funny after awhile.

The greatest evil thing in the KOTOR games is making Hanharr a genuis. Really, what's so evil about that?

[Quaay]

I did punch the reporter ^.~

[ObserverStatus]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

lol, nice

[enormousmoonboots]

Shandepared wrote...

kariod wrote...
Deus ex machina, maybe, but naive? Shepard may come off incredibly idealistic as a pure paragon, but then... s/he also makes those ideals a reality on a regular basis.

Right, like the time Shepard saved the Council after spending an entire game kissing their ass and the Council responded by welcoming humanity into their ranks and devoting resources to help them the next time humanity was under attack.

Akagi Shandepared's here, guys. Stop being a good guy and having fun immediately.

[ObserverStatus]

Goodwood wrote... I've never tried to be a renegade character. It just isn't in me -- just like I can't fathom playing a dark-sided character in either KotOR game. So no, it's not just you.

I played as renegade in KotOR just because it's fun to shoot lightning at people.

Modifié par bobobo878, 19 mars 2010 - 04:40 .

[remote_control_me]

Alot of people would think playing renegade is easier..but for me (and a majority of my friends who have played this) its alot harder to be the hearltess jackass! i blame the damned loyality missions! I mean how can you not wanna help someone get a relationship with their long lost sister

[Internet Kraken]

Shandepared wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...


None of your comparisons are accurate. It's not like they are trying to perfect some invention. Xen is trying to enslave an entire race.

Hardly. What Xen wants to do is no different from what Legion wants to do. If you remark to Legion that re-writing the geth is in no way an ethical problem like it would be for an organic he agrees with you. I trust that at the very least you blew up the station instead of of "enslaving" the heretic geth to the main geth collective.

In the end if Xen's plan works it will ensure peace and coexistence between both groups. It's what the geth want, it is what the quarians want. It also benefit everyone else.

You assume that I was talking about the ethics surrounding the enslavement of the Geth. I was not, as that is much more subjective. Xen trying to enslave the Geth again is just something that I don't think will work. The Geth have proven numerous times to be capable of overcoming their limitations. Whatever the Quarian's do to try and keep the Geth in line would probably fail. According to Legion, even the advanced virus developed by Sovereign for the Heretics did not have a 100% chance of success when it was re-purposed. If a Reaper virus has the potential to fail, what hope do the Quarian's have of enslaving the Geth?

I was not trying to bring ethics into the argument. I was just trying to point out that enslaving a race is much more difficult and dangerous than inventing something like the automobile.

Modifié par Internet Kraken, 19 mars 2010 - 04:56 .

[Internet Kraken]

Shandepared wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

Xen trying to enslave the Geth again is just something that I don't think will work.

Fair enough. If that is how you feel then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I admit that Xen's plan could backfire, but what other option is there? Peace could backfire as well and a conventional war could be lost.

It is worth noting though that the quarians created the geth and if anybody has a chance of re-programming them properly it is they.

In fact I think you could combine the peace process and the re-write. If you played your cards right it might be possible to convince the geth that re-writing them is exactly what they want and that it will benefit them. They will be united with their creators, at peace, with a purpose.

Thing is, even if the reprogramming did work (doubtful), I don't think it would really benefit the Quarians. The entire galaxy hates them for making the Geth in the first place. How do you think the other races will react to this? They would probably dismiss any claims made by the Quarian's suggesting that they have the Geth under complete control. This could easily cause the Quarian's to become even more isolated.Not to mention the internal conflict this would generate. It's clear that a large number of Quarian's dislike the idea of attempting to re-enslave the Geth. Doing so would have massive political implications. In the end, nothing about it seems like a good idea to me.

And I don't think the Geth would want this either. Xen views the Geth as nothing more than machines, and claims it is the right of a machine's creator to modify or disassemble it at any time. The reason the Geth fought the Quarian's was for continued existence. If Xen thinks it is her right to destroy or manipulate them at any time, then I don't think they would agree to the reprogramming.

Modifié par Internet Kraken, 19 mars 2010 - 05:09 .

[OneBadAssMother]

If all Geth were like Legion, I would support them. But they aren't. I will have to go with Tali -> reclaim the homeworld. We humans have Earth, imagine how we would feel if we got evicted from it.



RECLAIM THE HOMEWORLD!

[ObserverStatus]

OneBadAssMother wrote...

If all Geth were like Legion, I would support them. But they aren't. I will have to go with Tali -> reclaim the homeworld. We humans have Earth, imagine how we would feel if we got evicted from it.

RECLAIM THE HOMEWORLD!

If we attempted genocide, we'd deserve to be evicted.

[Internet Kraken]

Shandepared wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

The entire galaxy hates them for making the Geth in the first place. How do you think the other races will react to this?

The same way they reacted to the geth uprising; with derision and indifference. They did nothing about it then and they sure as hell won't do anything about it now. However the quarians at least will have synthetic army to protect themselves and 'legions' of geth platforms to rebuild their civilization. How you could argue that this wouldn't benefit the quarians baffles me.

I suppose saying it wouldn't benefit the Quarian's is inaccurate. But it certainly wouldn't benefit their relations with other species. My point is that this would only further isolate the Quarian's. I suppose whether or not this is the best path for them is subjective.

I'm sure that some quarians will object, and so what? No one can force them to stay so they can just leave if they desire it that much. Let the dissenters run off and forge their own colony somewhere.

Thing is, the dissenters don't appear to be the minority. If you hand over the evidence, Xen complains that it will be nearly impossible to continue the research without massive opposition from the public, suggesting that most Quarian's dislike this approach to the Geth situation. I'm not sure letting a minority have control of an entire army of unstable synthetic life forms is a good idea.

OneBadAssMother wrote...

If all Geth were like Legion, I
would support them. But they aren't. I will have to go with Tali ->
reclaim the homeworld. We humans have Earth, imagine how we would feel
if we got evicted from it.

RECLAIM THE HOMEWORLD!

Aren't the geth that Legion represents around 90% of the Geth collective? I
don't think the Heretic Geth are the ones that control the homeworld
anyways.

Modifié par Internet Kraken, 19 mars 2010 - 05:30 .

[OneBadAssMother]

We humans have attempted and succeeded and are succeeding at genocide even today unfortunately. Though modern times its mostly cultural genocide and the rest are failed attempts but nonetheless attempted genocides.



But the Geth, they are machines... but then again, that Legion dialogue with the saved log of a Geth asking if he had a soul... well I dunno =/

[ObserverStatus]

Shandepared wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

If we attempted genocide, we'd deserve to be evicted.

You cannot commit genocide against a machine.

Well, there you have it, machines probably think you can't commit genocide against meatbags.

[ObserverStatus]

Shandepared wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...


Well, there you have it, machines probably think you can't commit genocide against meatbags.

The geth aren't intelligent enough to even pose such a question, much less hold an opinion. Not then, and not now.

Perhaps not an individual geth, but a network of a couple thousand probably could.

Modifié par bobobo878, 19 mars 2010 - 05:30 .

[OneBadAssMother]

Aren't the geth that Legion represents around 90% of the Geth collective? I

don't think the Heretic Geth are the ones that control the homeworld

anyways.

Legion has 1183 active geth within him. "There are currently 1183 programs active within this platform"

He is unique, made to operate alone.

[Kileyan]

Geesh how did a Renegade discussion turn into a Geth hugfest.