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[lordnoak]

No offense to all of you guys/gals that are angry at the choice import issue. I felt the same way, but there's an explanation if you're willing to give it some thought and use your imagination. It's perfectly plausible too.

The night when Morrigan offers the dark pact, you say "no" for whatever reason and she leaves. Wrong, you think she leaves. What actually happened is she snuck into Riordan's room and considering he'd been locked up in a prison for who knows how long (I can't remember how long) she was able to seduce him fairly easily. With the "dark pact" complete, unknowingly to the rest of us, we end up going through the rest of DA:O (she didn't bother trying to explain her motives to Riordan after failing with us). The twist is in the end we manage to survive.

If you want to stretch it further, just assume that everyone thought you were dead because the killing blow put you out hard. However, you miraculously survived and came back to life after the ending credits. Awakened from a coma or something along those lines....thrown into the fade but cleverly found your way back to reality once again.

So here you are, ready to roll and since you need to command the new Grey Wardens you have to put the reason for your survival behind you--for now. Perhaps it's a mystery that will not be solved in your life time, or ever.

Just give it some thought...and give the game a chance. The story really picks up once you get over the nitpicking (which I've done myself).

[lordnoak]

Seriously.

[Larryboy_Dragon]

I'd buy her getting with Riordan

[Smaaen90]

Apart from the fact that if you say no and choose to sacrifice Alistair or yourself, in the ending, you see your 'funeral' or a tribute to Alistairs death.

[Onyx Jaguar]

My character is dead. Awakenings isn't as much of a continuation of that story as it is a spinoff. LIke Shadows of the Undretide. Dead is dead, no resurrection spell in Dragon Age.

[lordnoak]

My whole idea is that you're not dead, everyone just thinks you are. Say you wake up after the funeral because killing the Arch Demon puts you into a coma like trance instead of killing you since Morrigan did the pact with unsuspecting Riordan.



It's perfectly plausible, at least for me, to play my main (that did "die" in the main game) in Awakening. Makes things interesting too.

[Jenocide]

rabid zombie chicken's

[rabbitchannel]

I thought the whole reason she COULDN'T use Riordan was because she needed someone who just recently completed the joining for the ritual to work. :\\

[lordnoak]

Rob_R wrote...

lordnoak wrote...

My whole idea is that you're not dead, everyone just thinks you are.

Er .... what would bring on this self-induced sense of fake death, considering you don't get such a sensation if you sell your soul to the Swamp WItch?  Maker's breath, the healers in Ferelden must need basic re-training in a bad way, if they're not sure of the tell-tale signs of death.

Seriously though (as discussed on many a thread) I wish Bioware had thought of a way around this issue in DA:O, or if not, to at least keep the world as your dead warden left it (Harowmont or Bhelen, Alistair or Anora etc).  Instead, in their Q&A, they stated that they wanted players to 'hand waive' this problem away or start a new warden if they didn't like the idea of that.

Sure I'd have preferred to make a new character with my previous decisions kept.

However since we can't, I came up with this fantastic alternative. The whole point is that we know little about killing arch-demons. Who knows what happens when Morrigan succeeds in her plans by seducing Riordan and you go in for the killer blow? I say it makes it look like your dead, but you're not. Everyone just assumed you were dead. So you miraculously come back to be commander of the Grey after. 

I prefer my alternative to trashing a great expansion. I really am enjoying it so far.

[firl1979]

Actully she needs a Grey warden who just completed the joining. It wouldnt work with Riordan. I believe that was explained by her in the game.

[CHiLLFiRe]

I wasn't happy at first. But then I found a way to justify it. Remember how Wynne technically "died" but a good spirit from the fade came into her body and kept her alive? Well, my character is a warrior, so what I did was take spirit warrior as my final specialization, and I'm just saying that a "good spirit" decided that it wasn't my time yet, and that I still had some good to do in this world, so it entered my body and extended my life longer. Kinda cheesy, but it works for me, and I like it. Obviously wouldn't of worked for a rogue, but maybe a Mage if you go Spirit Healer. *shrugs*

[Jedi Master of Orion]

But didn't slaying the Arch demon destroy the Warden's soul?

[Livemmo]

being dead at your own funeral was just a setback!

[Livemmo]

With that said, does anyone else always think of legion when someone calls you warden-commander? Everytime someone said it all I think of is legion standing there with your n7 armor on saying sheppard-commander... eh im wierd i know.

[Ziggeh]

As much as it's about anything else DA:O was about sacrifice. The game is arranged around a set of hard moral decisions, each of which requires a sacrifice of some kind. At the end of the game you're told that a life must be lost, that his time the sacrifice would cost you rather than others.



It's not that you're dead, not that they read a eulogy or you're busy feeding worms, it's the fact that that death meant something, my actions in the previous game had a cost. Hell, I played a dwarf who saved a bunch of wizards from demons from another dimension. "Getting better" isn't even a small leap of imagination. Writing off the whole "saved the world from the Blight" thing is a little harder given that the defining characterisic of the dude I played was that he saved the world from the Blight.

[AuraofMana]

Then don't ****ing import your dead Warden. The game isn't stopping you from doing that. You just ****ing feel angry because other people can do it and you can too, but you won't because you feel it's wrong. Well, if it feels wrong and you are so upset about it, then don't ****ing do it. Problem solved. Now stop ****ing.

[Ziggeh]

AuraofMana wrote...

Then don't ****ing import your dead Warden. The game isn't stopping you from doing that. You just ****ing feel angry because other people can do it and you can too, but you won't because you feel it's wrong. Well, if it feels wrong and you are so upset about it, then don't ****ing do it. Problem solved. Now stop ****ing.

If I'm the kind of person who finds the sudden reappearance of dead folk midst plot jarring to the overall experience (and clearly, I am) how precisely does partaking in a plot in which a wide array of details will have changed solve the problem?

[Petsura]

I didn't actually die after slaying the arch-demon.

I broke my neck while descending the stairs from the throne at the post-coronation.

Modifié par Petsura, 23 mars 2010 - 08:27 .

[AuraofMana]

If I'm the kind of person who finds the sudden reappearance of dead folk midst plot jarring to the overall experience

Then don't import your dead Warden. Just because you have the option to doesn't mean you have to. I don't see the problem. The only one making a big deal out of this is people like you. You don't have to do what you don't like. This option was included for gameplay's sake. What if some guy did the US ending, and don't have any other saves (and can't go back do another ending). Is he just stuck making a new character or playing a new one? Gameplay > *



Hell, if they didn't add this option, the majority of these people who complain now would complain about that too. People just want to find things to complain about, and that's how the internet works. If a small issue like this is a dealbreaker, then don't buy the game. Spamming threads about this isn't going to solve anything.



Starting a whole petition or some weird **** like that makes this feel purposeful, as well as spamming threads about it. But trust me, the only one that really affects is yourself. The only one making this hard is yourself.



And here is another option if you just want the world state. Learn how the save file and import works (a pretty significant task) and mod it yourself. This game has modding if you bought it on PC. Instead of wasting time spamming useless comments like these, you could just do something about it. You are the only one finding a possible option disturbing when you don't even have to ****ing do it. You could instead devote the time you waste by doing something purposeful, like "remedying" this yourself.

[AlanC9]

I'm  a big fan of creative rationalization, but this doesn't cut it

It doesn't matter if Riordan did the ritual with Morrigan or not. He's long dead by the time the archdemon dies.

[sovietjc]

Who cares? I sacrificed my warden and I intend to create a new one. I like how you guys just sit there on a Dragon Age/BioWare social forum and bash on the expansion or their new ideas. Heh. If you don't like the game or the expansion then just don't play it. If you think importing your old warden would ruin your whole idea on how the original game went down then just create a new warden. Simple.