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[Ziggeh]

AuraofMana wrote...

Then don't import your dead Warden. Just because you have the option to doesn't mean you have to. I don't see the problem.

The problem: I cannot (without modifying a game file, a solution which could negate all gaming feedback, I'll be fixing any game bugs myself too) continue the story in an expansion created to continue the story.

But thank you for your well considered advise. I shall refrain from using a customer feedback forum to provide customer feedback in the future.

[AlanC9]

AuraofMana wrote...
Then don't import your dead Warden. Just because you have the option to doesn't mean you have to. I don't see the problem. The only one making a big deal out of this is people like you. You don't have to do what you don't like. This option was included for gameplay's sake.

That's fair enough, but I can see another issue. What the hell was the point of doing an Orlesian warden if you're not going to support the US ending? That's the only situation where I can conceive of wanting to play the Orlesian warden. As far as I'm concerned they should have cut the OW and done something useful with the development time.

[sovietjc]

@ziggehunderslash



Wow. You are just whining man. You know what? If it really -really- means that much to you. (Obviously it does) Replay the game. I am sure plenty of people on this forum have enjoyed this game more than once already. If you agree that there is nothing you can possibly do at this point then just replay the game. Problem solved. If you can't do that then QQ :/ BioWare isn't going to wave any wands over you.

[AuraofMana]

The problem: I cannot (without modifying a game file, a solution which
could negate all gaming feedback, I'll be fixing any game bugs myself
too) continue the story in an expansion created to continue the story.

So you are complaining that instead of just not import and continue your character like your story was told, you find the option for those who would like to continue the story despite doing the US ending horrible even though it doesn't concern you since you are not going to use it on your dead Warden?  Sit down and think about what you just said.  Logic is obviously not strong with you, because you, along with other people like you, sound like ****ing retards.  No one is forcing anything on you, but yet you find that the having the option of doing something you don't like horrible?
Well you see, in real life, there are a lot of things you may not like but you have the option of doing them despite the fact that no one is forcing you to.  Man, you must hate your life.  You should give up that too.

But
thank you for your well considered advise. I shall refrain from using a
customer feedback forum to provide customer feedback in the future.

You should refrain from posting worthless spam.  If you want to fail at logic and be a retard, that's fine.  Just don't do it where others can see you.

That's fair enough, but I can see another issue. What the hell was the
point of doing an Orlesian warden if you're not going to support the US
ending?

You can, for instance, play Awakening with a new character because you don't have a certain class in Origins, or you have never played Origins.  You can also play it for the fact that you get different interaction (albeit not much, but whatever) because you are Orlaisian.

That's the only situation where I can conceive of wanting to play the
Orlesian warden. As far as I'm concerned they should have cut the OW and
done something useful with the development time.

The above reason is why they spent time doing this.  Like I said, gameplay > all.  Everything revolves around gameplay, that's how video game design works.  Being able to create a new character to play in Awakening would be one of those things that are important to gameplay.

Modifié par AuraofMana, 23 mars 2010 - 09:02 .

[Ziggeh]

Eli-da-Mage wrote...
Just because you change character doesn't
mean you arent continuing the story.

Ah, well, that depends on your defintion of the story. I'm certainly able to continue the general dragon age story, just not the specific one in which I'm emotionally invested.

sovietjc wrote...

@ziggehunderslash

Wow. You are just whining man. You know what? If it really -really- means that much to you. (Obviously it does) Replay the game. I am sure plenty of people on this forum have enjoyed this game more than once already. If you agree that there is nothing you can possibly do at this point then just replay the game. Problem solved. If you can't do that then QQ :/ BioWare isn't going to wave any wands over you.

It's because I'm a big baby who lost his dummy, and like any pre lingual infany I'm hoping to alert the creators to a flaw that may not have been apparently under the conditions in which they tested it and would improve my and others personal enjoyment of the product or indeed future products with the same set of parameters. Wah. Wah. Wah.

Modifié par ziggehunderslash, 23 mars 2010 - 09:08 .

[CarlSpackler]

Nice attempt at reconciliation, but according to the DAO ending not very plausible. According to Morrigan and Riordan the killing blow must be struck by a grey warden who intends to sacrifice himself to take out the archdemon. Riordan is was killed long before the killing blow. On top of that when questioned about why Morrigan even needed to tell the male PC romance about the ritual when she was already sleeping with him, David Gaider informed the community that a ritual was taking place. There was supposed to be a small cut scene showing something to that effect. The ritual is also presumably effective to one warden and one warden only.
Lastly, during the epilogue if you refuse Morrigan the text informs the player that her ritual was never completed. She is still with child yes, but only if the Warden was in a romance with her, otherwise you receive the blurb regarding Orlais.

So certainly imaginative, but not very plausible.

Nice try.

Modifié par CarlSpackler, 23 mars 2010 - 09:11 .

[AuraofMana]

It's because I'm a big baby who lost his dummy, and like any pre lingual infany I'm hoping to alert the creators to a flaw that may not have been apparently under the conditions in which they tested it and would improve my and others personal enjoyment of the product or indeed future products with the same set of parameters. Wah. Wah. Wah.

No, it's because you are a ****ing idiot who doesn't realize that optional doesn't equal mandatory, and that the game dev's put in certain things for the sake of gameplay, and that the entire point of having options is that you can choose not to do it. You are complaining about something that isn't mandatory because you have the option to do it.

You keep talking about choice and how it should affect the game, yet you don't realize the true meaning of choices. I bet you are thinking we are all somehow wrong or just hate you and that your opinion is actually right. Maybe you should draw flowcharts or DFAs or something to get your own logic right, because you are not making any sense at all.

[Kaiser Shepard]

While far from bad, I can't say I'd just play it for the sake of gameplay. I played Origins for it's story and I want to be able to continue the story of MY world, canonically, without having to use my imagination.



No Ultimate Sacrifice continuity, no deal.

[AuraofMana]

If a game has horrible gameplay, no matter how great the art, story, music, and/or all the other aspects are, it is a terrible game and will not get a lot of players. To put it simply, if a game is not fun, no one will play it. Convenience is an integral part of fun. The ability to play a character you did a particular ending with is something that makes the game convenient.
You want Ultimate Sacrifice continuity? There is, it's call not importing your dead Warden. No, you can't ****ing import your world state because Bioware doesn't want to do it. You don't need a reason because you are not entitled to anything. The story ends when your character dies. That's how the story goes. If you played the story then that's how it ends for you. You don't make the story here, Bioware does.
You know a dead Shepard won't be able to import into ME3 as well right? It even says so in the loading tips. I bet people like you are going to **** about that too.

Modifié par AuraofMana, 23 mars 2010 - 09:23 .

[Ziggeh]

AuraofMana wrote...
So you are complaining that instead of just not import and continue your character like your story was told, you find the option for those who would like to continue the story despite doing the US ending horrible even though it doesn't concern you since you are not going to use it on your dead Warden?  Sit down and think about what you just said.  Logic is obviously not strong with you, because you, along with other people like you, sound like ****ing retards.  No one is forcing anything on you, but yet you find that the having the option of doing something you don't like horrible?

I know I shouldn't, it's arguing on the internet, but hey, I'm at a loose end due to the whole dead dwarf thing. Sue me.

I haven't said anything about Zombie Warden being horrible, perhaps I should have provided more context, but my issue is with the lack of a third option. One that allows the import of a dead warden onto the Orlesian base, as Alanc9 and indeed the pre release FAQs suggested. I was merely illustrating why the current options might be disatisfying from a story perspective.

I'm not concerned about being forced into anything, jealous of other players or any of the other things you seem to have read as the problem despite a lack of words that might suggest something along such lines.

Now if you'll excuse me, my mushed carrot and pear is rapidly cooling. Or possibly warming. I'm not certain what the ideal state is. Probably room temperature, in which case this exit is somewhat less dramatic than I had imagined.

[Sinferno]

I personally didn't care how my sacrificed character lived and maybe Bioware could make a flashback on how it all happaned in DA2 reflecting that ending on DAO using that time to come up with ideas how our characters survived.

I would have been satisfied in Awakening if there were atleast some sort of reaction from Oghren, or Wynne in Amarathine, or Allistar/Anora. =(

Imaginaaaaation *rainbow* DAO spoiler
To the OP, and to people that have sacrificed themselves like me, i noticed you don't really get anything from killing Flemeth in terms of loot. Perhaps some people let Flemeth lived who sacrificed themselves, if so, maybe she saved you just like in Ostagar?

[AuraofMana]

So this is one of those case of "I don't like this aspect about the game, so I am not going to buy it, but I am going to spam some useless threads on the forum because there is a secret hope in me that maybe the devs will listen to me and make something exactly what I want. The world also revolves around me" sort of deal? Well in that case, your sarcasm does you no good, and neither is your attempt at "I never said such things, you are just putting words in my mouth despite the fact that any normal person who read this will get the implication".

You know what, you are right. Dragon Age and Mass Effect really blows. You should not buy them. In fact, being in this forum taints your awesomeness. You should never come back here.

[sovietjc]

@AuraofMana



It isn't worth it. It is obvious he wasn't loved as a child and he gets satisfaction for whining and trying to bash BioWare's ideas.. The fact is.. he is screwed and there is nothing he can do. Let him whine and troll forums of how unfair and dumb BioWare is for their approach on Awakening. It's his problem and he is the one soiling himself over it. It is his loss for not wanting to play another good thing coming out of this company. I kinda feel bad for his parents really. :/ They are the ones that have to put up with him on a day to day basis.

[Ziggeh]

AuraofMana wrote...

So this is one of those case of "I don't like this aspect about the game, so I am not going to buy it, but I am going to spam some useless threads on the forum because there is a secret hope in me that maybe the devs will listen to me and make something exactly what I want. The world also revolves around me" sort of deal? Well in that case, your sarcasm does you no good

It's the lowest form of wit you know. Again I invite you to consider the objective of a feedback forum. Wildly stabbing in the dark, but looking through threads for people to call ****ing whiners was probably not high on the list of positive outcomes when they set it up.

AuraofMana wrote...

and neither is your attempt at "I never said such things, you are just putting words in my mouth despite the fact that any normal person who read this will get the implication".

If I was a more cynical man, I might call creating a false quote that suggests I'm falsely accusing you of putting words in my mouth deeply ironic.

[Kaiser Shepard]

AuraofMana wrote...



If a game has horrible gameplay, no matter how great the art, story, music, and/or all the other aspects are, it is a terrible game and will not get a lot of players. To put it simply, if a game is not fun, no one will play it. Convenience is an integral part of fun. The ability to play a character you did a particular ending with is something that makes the game convenient.

You want Ultimate Sacrifice continuity? There is, it's call not importing your dead Warden. No, you can't ****ing import your world state because Bioware doesn't want to do it. You don't need a reason because you are not entitled to anything. The story ends when your character dies. That's how the story goes. If you played the story then that's how it ends for you. You don't make the story here, Bioware does.

You know a dead Shepard won't be able to import into ME3 as well right? It even says so in the loading tips. I bet people like you are going to **** about that too.

Dead ME2 Shepard not being importable isn't a problem for pretty much exactly that reason, that and the fact that it was said in multiple interviews many months before the game was released. Dying at the end of Origins, however, isn't the result of a sloppy playthrough. It's a choice one makes with a certain intention, whether that may be not liking Morrigan, wanting to sacrifice yourself or just trying to take the safest path is irrelevant, for it is a CHOICE. In a story driven game where your choices have an effect on a great many things, one does not expect such a major one to just be retconned.

[Petsura]

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

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Hehe
Sorry i couldn't get this bigger.
Its my most favouritest picture in the history of anything ever.
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What's the matter?

Modifié par Petsura, 23 mars 2010 - 09:51 .

[Wolfster68]

what really ticked me off was the teaser at the end of origins.My character made the sacrifice and i get this big paragraph telling about leliana singing her ballad . Then saying the maker said she would see her love again and she takes off.I mean It's pretty easy to tie that in the new story of awakenings and explain how you were resurrected or whatever but no

[Jonnybear84]

Must admit this never really bothered me....I sacrificed my first warden too, when I got wind of awakenings soon to be released I started to feel like I wanted to play the game again...I created a new warden, finished his playthrough of DA:O today, took Morrigan up on her offer and carried it straight over into awakenings, Happy days :happy: .

Got nothing against my original char, I just like to think that is where his story ended, may he rest in peace

Modifié par Jonnybear84, 23 mars 2010 - 11:14 .

[lordnoak]

My original intent of this post was to point out a possible alternative to the sacrifice yourself dilemma. I still think it's perfectly plausible that Morrigan seduced Riordan and therefore you managed to survive the final blow to the Arch Demon. I haven't seen anything to contradict my idea so far.