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[Hrodberht]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

There's often a difference between the pronunciation of words in their language of origin and their pronunciation in English, though. English is a patchwork language, after all. It think by now 'Golem' is used often enough in the english language for it to have qualified for its own English pronunciation, which ironically probably differs between the UK and the US.

Um, no.  The English pronunciation *is* goh-lem.  The hebrew pronunciation is a bit different, but certainly not gollum.

[Janni-in-VA]

I did not realize until this thread that I'd been mispronouncing "golem". I can't recall hearing it pronounced otherwise, so will have to plead ignorance. I'm glad to know the correct pronunciation.

[Ruhgar]

To be completely honest... the way the say it in game is how I've always heard and said it.



Go figure.

[Obtusifolius]

Ruhgar wrote...

To be completely honest... the way the say it in game is how I've always heard and said it.

Go figure.

Go figure that... you've been saying it wrong?

[booke63]

Hmmm. I would say the BEST evidence for how you say "golem" in Ferelden is to listen to how Ferelden's say it.

[Obtusifolius]

booke63 wrote...

Hmmm. I would say the BEST evidence for how you say "golem" in Ferelden is to listen to how Ferelden's say it.

Yeah, I've heard that one a few times. Doesn't really make much sense though, does it?

[booke63]

Obtusifolius wrote...

booke63 wrote...

Hmmm. I would say the BEST evidence for how you say "golem" in Ferelden is to listen to how Ferelden's say it.

Yeah, I've heard that one a few times. Doesn't really make much sense though, does it?

I KNOW.  It's crazy since Fereldens have the Manual of Webster and Ser Dictionary dot Com to standardize the way they pronounce their words.  Crazy the way they pronounce it, makes no sense!

[Phonantiphon]

booke63 wrote...

Obtusifolius wrote...

booke63 wrote...

Hmmm. I would say the BEST evidence for how you say "golem" in Ferelden is to listen to how Ferelden's say it.

Yeah, I've heard that one a few times. Doesn't really make much sense though, does it?

I KNOW.  It's crazy since Fereldens have the Manual of Webster and Ser Dictionary dot Com to standardize the way they pronounce their words.  Crazy the way they pronounce it, makes no sense!

Sarcasm noted, but in that case they should call them something different.

[booke63]

bassmunkee wrote...

booke63 wrote...

Obtusifolius wrote...

booke63 wrote...

Hmmm. I would say the BEST evidence for how you say "golem" in Ferelden is to listen to how Ferelden's say it.

Yeah, I've heard that one a few times. Doesn't really make much sense though, does it?

I KNOW.  It's crazy since Fereldens have the Manual of Webster and Ser Dictionary dot Com to standardize the way they pronounce their words.  Crazy the way they pronounce it, makes no sense!

Sarcasm noted, but in that case they should call them something different.

I'm just goofing.  The game borrows from the real world in many ways and in many it does not.  Apparently not the way most of us (including me) pronounce "golem."  I roleplay as much as possible, so I figure if Fereldens say it the way they do in Ferelden, that's good enough for me.  When I visit and the subject of golems comes up, I'm sure I'll sound weird to them in turn.

Modifié par booke63, 19 mars 2010 - 05:27 .

[Phonantiphon]

booke63 wrote...

bassmunkee wrote...

booke63 wrote...

Obtusifolius wrote...

booke63 wrote...

Hmmm. I would say the BEST evidence for how you say "golem" in Ferelden is to listen to how Ferelden's say it.

Yeah, I've heard that one a few times. Doesn't really make much sense though, does it?

I KNOW.  It's crazy since Fereldens have the Manual of Webster and Ser Dictionary dot Com to standardize the way they pronounce their words.  Crazy the way they pronounce it, makes no sense!

Sarcasm noted, but in that case they should call them something different.

I'm just goofing.  The game borrows from the real world in many ways and in many it does not.  Apparently not the way most of us (including me) pronounce "golem."  I roleplay as much as possible, so I figure if Fereldens say it the way they do in Ferelden, that's good enough for me.  When I visit and the subject of golems comes up, I'm sure I'll sound weird to them in turn.

LOL - yeah point taken actually. 

[Gill Kaiser]

Hrodberht wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

There's often a difference between the pronunciation of words in their language of origin and their pronunciation in English, though. English is a patchwork language, after all. It think by now 'Golem' is used often enough in the english language for it to have qualified for its own English pronunciation, which ironically probably differs between the UK and the US.

Um, no.  The English pronunciation *is* goh-lem.  The hebrew pronunciation is a bit different, but certainly not gollum.

Fine. I was just playing Devil's Advocate. I always thought it was pronounced goh-lem anyway.

[Demigod]

Why should they use a different word?
Vampires change from book to book and film to film
So do werewolves ifrits, bogeymen and so on and so on. Just because they done meet the dictionary pronunciation of a Golem doesn't mean they cant use the same word. Shale may not be clay animated by words in her head but she is arguably animated stone and thus a golem.

The evolution of pronunciation is quite interesting as is the interchange of language.The usage of the word here is similar to the original Jewish word ( Im sure i remember some Mesopotamian stories of animated statues but its to long since is studied that so could easily be wrong) but it is also clearly different in key aspects. Taking that difference into account and the fact that this world is thankfully quite different to or own, a differing pronunciation is quite understandable and reinforces the differance between the two.

It would be interesting to know if the codifying of language in dictionaries has in fact slowed the evolution, as it were, of language or just written formal language.

Modifié par Demigod, 19 mars 2010 - 05:41 .

[Phonantiphon]

Demigod wrote...

Why should they use a different word?
Vampires change from book to book and film to film
So do werewolves ifrits, bogeymen and so on and so on. Just because they done meet the dictionary pronunciation of a Golem doesn't mean they cant use the same word. Shale may not be clay animated by words in her head but she is arguably animated stone and thus a golem.

The evolution of pronunciation is quite interesting as is the interchange of language.The usage of the word here is similar to the original Jewish word ( Im sure i remember some Mesopotamian stories of animated statues but its to long since is studied that so could easily be wrong) but it is also clearly different in key aspects. Taking that difference into account and the fact that this world is thankfully quite different to or own, a differing pronunciation is quite understandable and reinforces the differance between the two.

It would be interesting to know if the codifying of language in dictionaries has in fact slowed the evolution, as it were, of language or just written formal language.

An interesting point, and well made.

[k9medusa]

 

Modifié par k9medusa, 19 mars 2010 - 05:54 .

[Gill Kaiser]

It's obvious that the UK pronunciations of "tomato" and "potato" are correct. Duh.

Also, naive is spelt "naïve", but the trema is hard to add for English keyboards, so it can be ignored when in a hurry.

All this is obvious! I am correct, and anyone who pronounces or spells those words differently to me is on the same bottom-feeding level as people who write "should of".

[Godak]

@Mavi: Wait, what? Who's calling you names?

Modifié par Godak, 19 mars 2010 - 06:17 .

[k9medusa]

In the words of the Chant (in game) English should be used by man, not to rule over him Isn't English like magic?

[Godak]

Maviarab wrote...

Don't worry about it Godak, I rarely lower myself to other people's levels

Well, no, I'm curious since it doesn't seem like anyone insulted you/called you names.

[Godak]

Maviarab wrote...

look back to page one if your really that interested....
http://social.biowar...97722/1#1800372

And? She didn't insult you.

[wonko33]

In an interview, I heard some of the developers mispronounce the word "About" and say "Zed" for "Zee" also. What a bunch of hosers!

Modifié par wonko33, 19 mars 2010 - 06:30 .

[Godak]

wonko33 wrote...

In an interview, I heard some of the developers mispronounce the word "About" and say "Zed" for "Zee" also. What a bunch of hosers!

That's not pronunciation. That's a different word for the same thing, like how cookie = biscuit.

[AlanC9]

Maviarab wrote...
Now tell me, how are any of us to know that we have been told (and by told I include books etc) is actually 'correct'? Think about that one for a while. And yes I'm a wanker (thats not the point, name calling is so juvenile) but I am a very intelligent wanker, and not so dellusional, niave, or arrogant to think what i am told is necessarily correct.

Kind of rude to drop that question without giving your own answer. 

Are you arguing that there is no such thing as an incorrect pronunciation of a word? If not, what's your standard?

As for "golem," I think DA:O is going to change the correct pronunciation. Too many people are hearing the word spoken for the first time  Unless you live someplace with a lot of pedants or Jews, you'll never have it corrected.