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[booke63]

Maviarab wrote...

Then apologies are in order....have edited my post.
Sorry, ill and tired....misread it

Please accept said apologies *goes to get his coat*

Whoa....won't you get banned for apologizing on an internet forum?  I've heard they let the first time slide, but you must know you're walking on thin ice, Bub!

[booke63]

Maviarab wrote...

Meh what can Is ay, if Im wrong Im wrong and will happily say so...
But yes, as you say, I will watch my back from now onwards lol.....

I just thought it noble enough (on a forum anyway) that it should be acknowledged by someone.  Unfortunately it was the goofy acting, flippant one who did the acknowledging.

[joey_mork84]

This isn't the first time this discussion has come up on here. Fact is, language, just like every other part of our daily lives, is man made and is not perfect by any means. Depending on your region, race, religion, and most importantly, your upbringing, you are going to pronounce words different from other people. To be completely honest, how do we know for sure ANYONE is pronouncing ANYTHING the way it was originally pronounced? I don't know about the rest of you, but I personally don't have an ancient cassette tape from mid-evil Europe to make a perfect comparison... Just a thought.

[joey_mork84]

lol, yea Maviarab, I've read your posts before, and I gotta say, you pretty much hit the nail on the head about every time.. Kind of figured I was gonna get my head bit off with that post, being American and all lol seems to be happening in these forums lately.. lol

[k9medusa]

joey_mork84 wrote...

This isn't the first time this discussion has come up on here. Fact is, language, just like every other part of our daily lives, is man made and is not perfect by any means. Depending on your region, race, religion, and most importantly, your upbringing, you are going to pronounce words different from other people. To be completely honest, how do we know for sure ANYONE is pronouncing ANYTHING the way it was originally pronounced? I don't know about the rest of you, but I personally don't have an ancient cassette tape from mid-evil Europe to make a perfect comparison... Just a thought.

I feel the same way, also...

[Gill Kaiser]

wonko33 wrote...

In an interview, I heard some of the developers mispronounce the word "About" and say "Zed" for "Zee" also. What a bunch of hosers!

Only Americans say 'Zee'. Everyone else says Zed. We invented the language, therefore you are wrong, QED.

[Godak]

joey_mork84 wrote...

This isn't the first time this discussion has come up on here. Fact is, language, just like every other part of our daily lives, is man made and is not perfect by any means. Depending on your region, race, religion, and most importantly, your upbringing, you are going to pronounce words different from other people. To be completely honest, how do we know for sure ANYONE is pronouncing ANYTHING the way it was originally pronounced? I don't know about the rest of you, but I personally don't have an ancient cassette tape from mid-evil Europe to make a perfect comparison... Just a thought.

...And that's exactly why we're trying to standardize things now. Not to mention the fact that we were still speaking Old English during most of the medieval times...We KNOW we don't pronounce stuff like that anymore. The point is, we're making a focused effort to create consistency in language, and people who are too lazy to actually learn how golem is pronounced are just exacerbating the issue.

[joey_mork84]

Godak wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...

This isn't the first time this discussion has come up on here. Fact is, language, just like every other part of our daily lives, is man made and is not perfect by any means. Depending on your region, race, religion, and most importantly, your upbringing, you are going to pronounce words different from other people. To be completely honest, how do we know for sure ANYONE is pronouncing ANYTHING the way it was originally pronounced? I don't know about the rest of you, but I personally don't have an ancient cassette tape from mid-evil Europe to make a perfect comparison... Just a thought.

...And that's exactly why we're trying to standardize things now. Not to mention the fact that we were still speaking Old English during most of the medieval times...We KNOW we don't pronounce stuff like that anymore. The point is, we're making a focused effort to create consistency in language, and people who are too lazy to actually learn how golem is pronounced are just exacerbating the issue.

There more than likely won't be a standardized way of speaking, is basically what I was trying to say, and IMO its best that way. Gives us a sense of seperation, in a way. As long as there are differing languages, that will be one of the many things that make us different as individuals. For instance, I know that I pronounce many things differently than my fiance in the next room, even though we only grew up 30 miles away from each other. It's the same as if we all wore the same clothes, we wouldn't be an individual, in that respect, than we are now with wearing different brands, colors, looks, ect. Know what I mean?

[joey_mork84]

I get what you are saying, Godak, I'm just trying to clarify the point I was trying to get across lol

[Godak]

joey_mork84 wrote...

Godak wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...

This isn't the first time this discussion has come up on here. Fact is, language, just like every other part of our daily lives, is man made and is not perfect by any means. Depending on your region, race, religion, and most importantly, your upbringing, you are going to pronounce words different from other people. To be completely honest, how do we know for sure ANYONE is pronouncing ANYTHING the way it was originally pronounced? I don't know about the rest of you, but I personally don't have an ancient cassette tape from mid-evil Europe to make a perfect comparison... Just a thought.

...And that's exactly why we're trying to standardize things now. Not to mention the fact that we were still speaking Old English during most of the medieval times...We KNOW we don't pronounce stuff like that anymore. The point is, we're making a focused effort to create consistency in language, and people who are too lazy to actually learn how golem is pronounced are just exacerbating the issue.

There more than likely won't be a standardized way of speaking, is basically what I was trying to say, and IMO its best that way. Gives us a sense of seperation, in a way. As long as there are differing languages, that will be one of the many things that make us different as individuals. For instance, I know that I pronounce many things differently than my fiance in the next room, even though we only grew up 30 miles away from each other. It's the same as if we all wore the same clothes, we wouldn't be an individual, in that respect, than we are now with wearing different brands, colors, looks, ect. Know what I mean?

I'm not saying that we SHOULD pronounce everything the same way, just that we should have some guidelines. Plus, as long as there are human beings on this earth, people will find a way to do everything different.

[joey_mork84]

EXACTLY! lol sorry, I misunderstood your post a bit lol at least we are on the same page

[joey_mork84]

I'm just not sure I understand why there are more than one thread on this subject.. Is it really that big of a deal to some people? It's the way they pronounce it where they live and grew up (Ferelden), so why is this an issue? Guess I'm just too open-minded like that. lol

[Caerellius]

Ugh, I hope that the Dragon Age pronunciation doesn't become the one I hear most often. Even before Dragon Age, the "gollum" version of the pronunciation of the word golem really bugged me. gollum just feels gloppy when I say or hear it, like a pile of mud. "Goh-lem" is so much more appealing to me.

[k9medusa]

Being open minded is good =)

[Red Frostraven]

It's a game with new lore, and some new creatures -- or at least with new names for creatures.



It'd be bad if it was a dungeons and dragons game... but... when they create a new lore, they can pronounciate the words for the objects in their world differently than others characters in other worlds have before.

[joey_mork84]

EDIT: This was in response to Maviarab's post.

True. I'm not a religious person by any means. I'm a firm believer in scientific fact and it's hard to argue against a fossil lmao.. Fairies and trolls are takin it a bit far, IMO, but I gotta say, it is scientifically possible for there to be aliens, but even if they are out there, they are too far away for us to find in our lifetimes.. (sorry, I just had to throw all that out there lmao)

That being said, I'm about the same way.. very few gray area's exist in my mind, but they are there.. It's just all about the bring-up and personal experience of an individual, tho..

Modifié par joey_mork84, 19 mars 2010 - 08:02 .

[Caerellius]

Oh, and as far as what makes a pronunciation correct, I'm of a mind to think that the oldest way to say something is the correct way to say it. Sure it feels hard to find a concrete fact with something as fluid as language, but step away from the changes over time and region and those things that are so difficult to pin down and consider the simplest level of what we know. Whoever came up with the word made some noises, so, unless they lost something on the way from thought to utterance, those must be the proper noises.
 I'm not saying "and curse us all for our evil mispronunciations!" Everyone seems to agree that a little variance adds spice to humanity, I'm not going to have a fit over it, by the nature of my thought process I'm sure I pronounce almost everything wrong. What I am saying is that there is indeed such a thing as correct and incorrect pronunciation, even if there are issues with practical usability. Anyway, this topic seems to be pretty well wrapped up, but seeing it got me thinking and I felt compelled to share.

[Koralis]

Hrodberht wrote...

Every character that says the word golem in DAO is mispronouncing it.  They all say the word as gollum, when it's actually pronounced go-lem.  Pretty sloppy on the part of the dialogue writers, or whoever told the voice actors how to say it.  Ok, there actually is a variant pronunciation in Hebrew, but that isn't gollum either.

If every person in Thedas says it that way, perhaps you're the one not saying it correctly?  It IS their country after all, and the dwarves DID manufacture them...

Modifié par Koralis, 19 mars 2010 - 08:31 .

[Godak]

Caerellius wrote...

Oh, and as far as what makes a pronunciation correct, I'm of a mind to think that the oldest way to say something is the correct way to say it.

Knock yourself out!

[Moogliepie]

So is Kraken pronounced "Cray-ken" or "Crack-in"?