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[SarEnyaDor]

I could care less about the golem pronounciation - the way some of the characters in Awakenings say apostate ( APP- ostate vs ah-POS-tate ) is way annoying.

[Angband21]

Neither, it is pronounced "KRAH ken" That accord to the Oxford dictionary.

[Moogliepie]

Angband21 wrote...

Neither, it is pronounced "KRAH ken" That accord to the Oxford dictionary.

Does that rhyme with Dokken?

[Obtusifolius]

Maviarab wrote...

aye, I'm very exacerbating Godak rofl
And thanks joey, I know I am very opinionated and pedantic at times, but as said before, I have the intelligence and do not have the arrogance to accept everything i see and am told to be the truth, and rarely do I (though at times I do and am wrong) every say anything without having good knowledge about what I am talking about.
I used to be a very black and white type of person (still am to a large extent) but accept that at times, grey area's do exist. It comes down to peoples acceptance of things. Slightly off tangent I know, but were you aware that over 80% of the worlds population believe in some sort of higher diety or God, yet only 20-20% of those very same people believe in the existence of fairies, trolls and alien life? Its hypocritical, and I like to feel that i have the open mindedness to accept all the possibilities. Yes you could say I'm opting out, sitting on the fence etc, but its very similar to this thread, no one with any real clarity can say what is the correct pronunciation of any word.

You are not seeing the 'grey' areas, you are seeing the wrong areas. It appears that no one has bothered to read the posts I have made attempting to explain my view. Well give it a try, hm? I am not 'black and white', I am educated in this field. Thanks.

Edit: Yes, that was a bit over the top, I apologise. It's just frustrating being called 'ignorant' and 'naive' when in fact I am just the opposite.

Modifié par Obtusifolius, 19 mars 2010 - 09:42 .

[Veritasinpersonam]

You folks just don't get it. Fereldan has its own language which bares striking similarities to our own, however in their world golem has a different pronounciation.

[Obtusifolius]

Veritasinpersonam wrote...

You folks just don't get it. Fereldan has its own language which bares striking similarities to our own, however in their world golem has a different pronounciation.

You just don't get it. They speak English.

[Caerellius]

Godak wrote...
Knock yourself out!

Haha I've already tried a little, was hard. I never said I wanted to say things right, just that there is a right.

Modifié par Caerellius, 19 mars 2010 - 09:58 .

[joey_mork84]

Obtusifolius wrote...

Veritasinpersonam wrote...

You folks just don't get it. Fereldan has its own language which bares striking similarities to our own, however in their world golem has a different pronounciation.

You just don't get it. They speak English.

They do speak English, but its their variation on English. Just wanted to throw that out there. Don't get offended by it.

[AlanC9]

Veritasinpersonam wrote...

You folks just don't get it. Fereldan has its own language which bares striking similarities to our own, however in their world golem has a different pronounciation.

Let's see if I've got this right.... the native language is being translated into English in our games. Except for one solitary word, "golem," which , though strikingly similar to the English word "golem," is actually completely unrelated to the English word and only sounds like it and is spelled identically to it because of random chance......

Sorry. Strong I am with suspension of disbelief, but not that strong.

[Obtusifolius]

joey_mork84 wrote...

They do speak English, but its their variation on English. Just wanted to throw that out there. Don't get offended by it.

No, they speak English. Do you truly believe those BioWare folks all sat around and said... 'Hey, here's a great plan... let's make all our characters speak English, the humans with English accents, but one thing: let's say they pronounce Golem differently... like 'gollum', kinda...! Wouldn't that be a great idea? High fives!'

No. And I am offended because you imply that I am so damn ignorant that the idea had not even crossed my mind, despite the fact that every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks it is a great excuse for pronouncing things incorrectly. No, the incorrect pronunciation of one word is not a big deal, but it is a big deal when people start to talk to me like I'm stupid.

Edit:

AlanC9 wrote...

Let's see if I've got this right.... the native language is being translated into English in our games. Except for one solitary word, "golem," which , though strikingly similar to the English word "golem," is actually completely unrelated to the English word and only sounds like it and is spelled identically to it because of random chance......

Sorry. Strong I am with suspension of disbelief, but not that strong.

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Modifié par Obtusifolius, 19 mars 2010 - 10:45 .

[joey_mork84]

Obtusifolius wrote...

No, they speak English. Do you truly believe those BioWare folks all sat around and said... 'Hey, here's a great plan... let's make all our characters speak English, the humans with English accents, but one thing: let's say they pronounce Golem differently... like 'gollum', kinda...! Wouldn't that be a great idea? High fives!'

No. And I am offended because you imply that I am so damn ignorant that the idea had not even crossed my mind, despite the fact that every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks it is a great excuse for pronouncing things incorrectly. No, the incorrect pronunciation of one word is not a big deal, but it is a big deal when people start to talk to me like I'm stupid.

I never once said you were ignorant, nor did I imply such a thing. However, the fact that you took my post offensively shows your ignorance about what I said. By your reply, you proved yourself wrong. If you want to rant and rave, go right ahead. I was as polite as possible, but if you are gonna jump on ever single person that has an idea other than something you believe to be right, then you are living on the wrong planet. I feel sorry for you.

[Obtusifolius]

joey_mork84 wrote...

I never once said you were ignorant, nor did I imply such a thing. However, the fact that you took my post offensively shows your ignorance about what I said. By your reply, you proved yourself wrong. If you want to rant and rave, go right ahead. I was as polite as possible, but if you are gonna jump on ever single person that has an idea other than something you believe to be right, then you are living on the wrong planet. I feel sorry for you.

I proved myself wrong? Are you thinking rationally? And really, there is no need to feel sorry for me. I'm just dandy

And the reason I say you are implying I'm thick is that the 'idea' has been mentioned several times in the thread, and I have responded to it, yet you are still speaking as if I cannot fathom what on Earth is going on around me. If I was quick to anger then I apologise.

Edit: And as I have stated in a previous post, I am frustrated because people don't seem to be listening to me when I explain things. I know a bit about the English language, it's kind of my strong point. I'm currently learning Old English, as a matter of fact. It's hard! 

Modifié par Obtusifolius, 19 mars 2010 - 10:58 .

[joey_mork84]

I'm just saying there was no need to get offended by what I said. There was nothing in there to even imply that I was trying to offend you. I was simply stating my opinion. Unless you were a member of the staff during the development of the game, then you took what I said the wrong way.

EDIT: I think what happened was a simple misunderstanding. I didn't mean for you to take it as if I thought you hadn't thought of it before, it was simply my point of view.

Modifié par joey_mork84, 19 mars 2010 - 10:58 .

[joey_mork84]

Maviarab wrote...

Obs, the bit you quoted was not directed at you, I have read your posts and see you point of view, what you are failing to understand or comprehend, is that unless you invented the word, there can never be a definitive right or wrong way to pronounce something.

Any other thought or reason is actually being arrogant thinking you are (or anyone else for that matter) is correcdt and any other way is incorrect. And that actually is being niave in the true sense of the word. You say you are educated in this field, educated by who exactly? Again, back to my original point which was lost in the heat of the argument, who is to say that anything you are told is actually really correct?

Now thinking like that, with a truly open mind, shows education and intelligence, and not being blinkered in believeing what you think is the only correct way.
And that can be applied to anything can it not?

Exactly. And welcome back Maviarab. You have definitely been missed in this thread recently lmao

[joey_mork84]

LMAO well, its good to have you back at any rate.. and yes, I have been in a similar situation recently with my fuel pump on my POS Ford (lol).. interesting way you took with your explanation. I liked that lol.

[hexaligned]

Maviarab wrote...

Obs, the bit you quoted was not directed at you, I have read your posts and see you point of view, what you are failing to understand or comprehend, is that unless you invented the word, there can never be a definitive right or wrong way to pronounce something.

Any other thought or reason is actually being arrogant thinking you are (or anyone else for that matter) is correcdt and any other way is incorrect. And that actually is being niave in the true sense of the word. You say you are educated in this field, educated by who exactly? Again, back to my original point which was lost in the heat of the argument, who is to say that anything you are told is actually really correct?

Now thinking like that, with a truly open mind, shows education and intelligence, and not being blinkered in believeing what you think is the only correct way.
And that can be applied to anything can it not?

I know where you are coming from, but no.  There ARE universal truths, mathematics as an example.  If you are saying Websters is wrong and whoever first coined the word actually meant for it be to pronounced differently, thats certainly possible, I don't expect you to care enough about the topic to delve into research to prove it, but it's pretty flimsy ground just for a casual convo.   There comes a point where you are arguing from a defensive positon just to protect ego, rather from one that has a basis in rationality.

Modifié par relhart, 19 mars 2010 - 11:11 .

[Obtusifolius]

Maviarab wrote...

Obs, the bit you quoted was not directed at you, I have read your posts and see you point of view, what you are failing to understand or comprehend, is that unless you invented the word, there can never be a definitive right or wrong way to pronounce something.

Any other thought or reason is actually being arrogant thinking you are (or anyone else for that matter) is correcdt and any other way is incorrect. And that actually is being niave in the true sense of the word. You say you are educated in this field, educated by who exactly? Again, back to my original point which was lost in the heat of the argument, who is to say that anything you are told is actually really correct?

Now thinking like that, with a truly open mind, shows education and intelligence, and not being blinkered in believeing what you think is the only correct way.
And that can be applied to anything can it not?

No, it is called standardisation. Words aren't invented, so no, pronunciation cannot be judged that way. But if I went around pronouncing the word pronunciation 'pro-nunk-aye-ate-ay-own', then would you say that was incorrect? You'd be silly if you didn't, frankly. But if, for the sake of sticking to your point, you deny that you would say it was incorrect, then well... I guess we shall have to agree to disagree.

Please, please stop making out that you are some open-minded old sage and that I am some jumped-up thick little scamp, because it is really starting to grate by now. Do not tell me the meaning of naivety, and do not tell me the meaning of education and intelligence, please, not least because to do so makes you a hypocrite anyway (open your mind, Mav... don't you realise it's naive and arrogant to think you know the meaning of education and intelligence and that you are correct?) Pah.

Edit: And your point about the pump is irrelevant. It's you disagreeing with someone and showing yourself to be correct. Does that mean you must be correct now? What do you want, a medal?

Modifié par Obtusifolius, 19 mars 2010 - 11:07 .

[Nygaard87]

I noticed the pronounciation as well.

I say it like they say it in this video (at 0:27), but they say both of the pronounciations later in the video.

[Obtusifolius]

joey_mork84 wrote...

I'm just saying there was no need to get offended by what I said. There was nothing in there to even imply that I was trying to offend you. I was simply stating my opinion. Unless you were a member of the staff during the development of the game, then you took what I said the wrong way.

EDIT: I think what happened was a simple misunderstanding. I didn't mean for you to take it as if I thought you hadn't thought of it before, it was simply my point of view.

Sorry for getting the right 'ump.

[joey_mork84]

I believe (key word there, believe) that dialect would come into play quite a bit in the evolution of language and the pronunciation of words, such as golem. But that's just something I figured I would throw out there. This debate is getting quite heated for being over the pronunciation of a single word. Seems kinda over the top for me. To each his own, I suppose.. If I pronounced that right lol

[hexaligned]

Hey now, I need something to do while I'm finishing my coffee and waiting to leave to get my weekend started, this thread is more entertaining than "Complaining about Awakening thread #554432"