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[joey_mork84]

HAHA yea, you are right on that one, relhart! Those are almost as bad as the "Patch 1.03 bugs" lol

[Obtusifolius]

relhart wrote...

Hey now, I need something to do while I'm finishing my coffee and waiting to leave to get my weekend started, this thread is more entertaining than "Complaining about Awakening thread #554432"

Hey, I love eating my breakfast while complaining about bugs :happy:

But sadly, this thread seems to be slowing down now

[Obtusifolius]

Maviarab wrote...

Words are invented actually.
I really didnt want to get into this, but I 'know' your a very intelligent person obs, hence why i originally added you as a friend. even more rare ina woman, I like a woman who can challange my mind, and you do that ona very regular basis lmao *thats a good thing though) hehe.

The Americans invented the word Soccer, to differentiate bewteen their game. The europeans (mainly the english) invented the game and the word Football, and the Americans (because a lot are like that) decided to change it. Why, god only knows (if you believe in him/her)...

So I could argue until I am blue in the face about that word (its meaning), as anyone who uses that word 'is' wrong, its a slang word. But lets take car parts as another example. Americans refer to "hoods, trunks and fenders", again, we could argue all day that they are wrong, but as the first real car was invented in America, I would guess that any term other than the American one is incorrect, even though I think they are stupid names....

Again, and I noticed no one actually comented, back to the word golem (which is actually pronounced golum, its the double 'l' thats confusing the issue on pronunciation) I will ask again, why is Boston not pronounced Bowston? If we are to argue the correct pronunciation of golem, then the same could apply to many many other words.

Just accept that different people, different cultures and races etc, use different words and pronounce them differently.

@Relhart, everyone is defensive, even in this thread, and even though my ego is huge (obs will confim that hehe ) it has no relevence here. My point is that everything we know (barring the very occasional self taught situation) is because we were 'told', and or read about it. What I am saying is, who is anyone to say that its correct? Just because my mum taught me that red is red, she is only going off what she was told, and what they were told etc etc.

Ever heard of chinese whispers? very real and its true. Things change over time, does that make them wrong? And just like in chinese whispers, tell a astory to enough people it will eveentually getchanged, so, whats and who is to say that all of what we know is correct, and has not changed over thousands of years?

I suppose you believe pretty much everything that you are told yes, or do you ever actually question anything? Just because a scientist with 58 degrees says X, Y & Z, does not neccessarily make it so, and thats what I'm trying to get accross. £0 years ago here, eggs were bad for you, you shouldnt drink while pregnant, not eggs are great, and drinking while pregnant is actually good for the baby. This, is told to us by the very same people who 30 years ago said things were not good for you.

So you see, actually having an open mind to stuff like this is actually a good thing.

You keep telling me to accept that different cultures pronounce wors differently... I am telling you that, even taking this into account, the pronunciation is wrong. And since the characters are southern English, they should be pronouncing it with an 'oa' sound.

I am aware that some words are invented, yes, I am well aware of that, but almost all of our language has evolved from now extinct words and languages. And how do you know no one pronounces Boston 'Bowston'? That's just ignorant, Mav. Open your mind, please...? The reason it does not apply to many words is that Boston is pronounced 'Boston' and golem is pronounced 'go-lem'. There really needn't be any confusion. And I have already said that, as more and more people pronounce golem incorrectly, 'gollum' will, in the distant future, likely become the correct replacement. This is what I mean by 'language evolution'.

And no, I do not believe everything I am told, I use my brain to think rationally and by doing this reach my own rational conclusions. Please stop assuming I am some stupid product of everything every mug has ever told me. I told you, it's pissing me off, but you still renew the patronising bull**** with every fresh post you make.

I am a cynic, Mav, and I barely believe anything anyone tells me. Trust me.

Oh, and also... just because you are older than me, sadly, does not make you wiser than me.

Modifié par Obtusifolius, 19 mars 2010 - 11:39 .

[SarEnyaDor]

Sorry Mav, but stick to words not medical advice. Drinking alcohol IS STILL considered bad. Ask any OB/GYN.

It's called Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and it is horrible. I have cousin with it.

[Ryzaki]

Wow. Up in arms about the pronunciation of a word. What's next telling people how to pronounce their own names?



Golem...I personally say it Go-lem but whatever as long as I can understand what the other person is saying "gollum" is more than enough to get the point across. I won't overly care. Its like the pronunciation of potato as long as you know what the other person is trying to say what does it truly matter? Unless of course they are saying something completely different unintentionally which is not the case here.

[Obtusifolius]

Maviarab wrote...


As for being ignorant and opening my mind, isnt that what I have been trying to get accross to people.

Yes, I was trying to point out your hypocrisy.

And yet even though you accept different people and countries pronounce things differently, youur still adamant they are worng lmao,....and you tell me Im being ignorant? well...

As for the rest of the quote, if you read it again, none of it was directed at you

IGNORANCE?! I CAN'T ****ING BELIEVE YOU STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AND YOU'RE TELLING ME I'M IGNORANT?!

No, I have not said those people are wrong! I have never once said that! Wow, it is really hard to make you understand things.

Ryzaki wrote...

Wow. Up in arms about the pronunciation of a word. What's next telling people how to pronounce their own names?

Golem...I
personally say it Go-lem but whatever as long as I can understand what
the other person is saying "gollum" is more than enough to get the
point across. I won't overly care. Its like the pronunciation of potato
as long as you know what the other person is trying to say what does it
truly matter? Unless of course they are saying something completely
different unintentionally which is not the case here.

It doesn't matter that much, it's just that it's turned into a debate. Why do people seem to hate debates so much?

Modifié par Obtusifolius, 19 mars 2010 - 11:50 .

[Bullets McDeath]

Wow. Really. Who cares? There's nothing to debate. The correct way to say it is "go-lem", many people mispronounce it. To the point where the mispronunciation is probably better known than the "correct" way. Words change all the time. You get a cookie if you knew the correct way before reading this thread. Whoopidy doo.

[Obtusifolius]

outlaworacle wrote...

Wow. Really. Who cares? There's nothing to debate. The correct way to say it is "go-lem", many people mispronounce it. To the point where the mispronunciation is probably better known than the "correct" way. Words change all the time. You get a cookie if you knew the correct way before reading this thread. Whoopidy doo.

There's nothing to debate? Six pages of posts say you're wrong.

As for everything else you've said, I say you're right

Modifié par Obtusifolius, 19 mars 2010 - 11:55 .

[Bullets McDeath]

Yet my post maintains that I am right. People can argue about anything. I've seen people on this board who AGREE WITH EACH OTHER trying to rip the other's e-throat out. Just because there's 4 pages of back and forth doesn't mean there was anything to debate. It just means ya'll didn't let that stop you =D

[Obtusifolius]

outlaworacle wrote...

Yet my post maintains that I am right. People can argue about anything. I've seen people on this board who AGREE WITH EACH OTHER trying to rip the other's e-throat out. Just because there's 4 pages of back and forth doesn't mean there was anything to debate. It just means ya'll didn't let that stop you =D

People can argue about anything, and so anything is subject to debate

There, you've defeated your own argument.

[Ryzaki]

Maviarab wrote...

Apparently Ryz it matters a lot lol

 

And no, nothing is wrong with a debate, but a debate about how someone is "wrong" for how they pronounce something is ridculous. Personally anyways. Its ranks up there with debating about someone eating peanut butter with their hotdog. Or wear their clothes inside out.  Or decide to randomly paint their car hood and only their car hood a bright pink.

...then again...have at it. Boredom drives people to do stranger things.

Though I have heard "Golem" pronouned "Gollum" plenty of times. And heck I myself pronounce it that way a few times.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 mars 2010 - 12:02 .

[Bullets McDeath]

Obtusifolius wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

Yet my post maintains that I am right. People can argue about anything. I've seen people on this board who AGREE WITH EACH OTHER trying to rip the other's e-throat out. Just because there's 4 pages of back and forth doesn't mean there was anything to debate. It just means ya'll didn't let that stop you =D

People can argue about anything, and so anything is subject to debate

There, you've defeated your own argument.

Well, for what it's worth, I fall on your side of the "debate". My point is not really defeated, though... not trying to get into a debate about that, LOL. My point was just because you can argue about something doesn't mean there's anything to argue about. I can say the sky is blue and you can say it's cyan and we can argue all ****ing day about it, but we'd be arguing about a bunch of bull**** no one gives a flying **** about

Which is the same as "golem" vs "gollum", to me.

[Obtusifolius]

outlaworacle wrote...

Well, for what it's worth, I fall on your side of the "debate". My point is not really defeated, though... not trying to get into a debate about that, LOL. My point was just because you can argue about something doesn't mean there's anything to argue about. I can say the sky is blue and you can say it's cyan and we can argue all ****ing day about it, but we'd be arguing about a bunch of bull**** no one gives a flying **** about

Which is the same as "golem" vs "gollum", to me.

The sky is cyan, that's a good one.

I know it's turned into an overblown load of ridiculous nonsense, but I really do love good old angry debates, especially when I know what I'm talking about (doesn't happen often, you see), so... yeah, I tend to get carried away.

My boyfriend is playing CoD and he came over to spend five minutes with me in between matches (is that what you call them?) and I just shrugged him off angrily, too tense to entertain the idea of interacting with him.
'Are you having an angry language debate on the internet?' he said, and when I nodded, he understood. (The rule is, Georgia will not interact with Real Humans during Angry Internet Debates.)

Yes I know, it's silly

Maviarab wrote...

very true outlaw, so then maybe the real question is or should be:

Why are people so bent out of shape about what the correct pronunciation is? hehe

And I'm bent out of shape because you're being so obtuse, yet squawking at everyone about how they 'must have an open mind' as if you are the village elder or something.

I do have an open mind! And I also have a rational mind, which is where you appear to be lacking.

Modifié par Obtusifolius, 20 mars 2010 - 12:15 .

[Bullets McDeath]

Well possibly because some of those who favor the correct pronunciation have been a bit grammar-****-esque about the whole thing and can't just concede the point that mispronunciations sometimes circulate into wider use than the "right" way, and then you're left with two common usages.



In the end, it's forgivable. Where do you draw the line? If Shakespeare could hear the English that's spoken in America in the year 2010 he'd join the Taliban.



But I think I'm just fanning the debate further here so I should probably shut up.

[Obtusifolius]

outlaworacle wrote...

Well possibly because some of those who favor the correct pronunciation have been a bit grammar-****-esque about the whole thing and can't just concede the point that mispronunciations sometimes circulate into wider use than the "right" way, and then you're left with two common usages.

In the end, it's forgivable. Where do you draw the line? If Shakespeare could hear the English that's spoken in America in the year 2010 he'd join the Taliban.

But I think I'm just fanning the debate further here so I should probably shut up.

I do understand that pronunciations can be different, but the way people have been arguing it is illogical, and that is what I take issue with. I accept language change as inevitable (in fact I am all for it), and I believe the English language is evolving rather than 'decaying', as some people think. Honestly, I am not a grammar ****. I used to be, but actually I hate it when people spell-check eachother's posts. The only person I am a spelling/grammar/punctuation smartarse around is my Dad, because he is constantly being a smartarse himself.

[SerbianWarrior]

Hrodberht wrote...

Every character that says the word golem in DAO is mispronouncing it.  They all say the word as gollum, when it's actually pronounced go-lem.  Pretty sloppy on the part of the dialogue writers, or whoever told the voice actors how to say it.  Ok, there actually is a variant pronunciation in Hebrew, but that isn't gollum either.

Well,the game is set in Ferelden which is an altered version of England,everyone has english accents so perhaps thats why they pronounce it as gollum.
Pigeon crap XD