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THE Morrigan Discussion and Research Thread *Infested with Bugs Yet Again!*


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Brockololly

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OK so I just finished Awakening- enjoyable expansion but not without its flaws. My question is regarding the epilogue and what seems to be bugged for people who totally completed Morrigan's romance in DAO.

Hopefully Gaider or one of the fine Bioware folks can shed some light on this- My PC romanced Morrigan all the way through DAO and spoke with her at the gates in Denerim leading her to switch back to friendship, with my PC syaing he would search for her, followed by getting the whole "ring" epilogue for Morrigan in DAO.

Yet in Awakening's epilogue for my Warden, I got no such mention of Morrigan at all, just this: "Some years later, the savior of Ferelden vanished entirely. Nobody knows for what purpose he departed, yet neither does anyone think his tale is complete..." 

Yet there are people claiming that they romanced Morrigan in DAO but kept her at "love" through the end of the game either by not talking to her after ther Ritual or by re-gifting the mirror to her in the post-epilogue camp to get her back to love. It seems that these people got a different epilogue in Awakening where the warden goes to track down a "dark haired sorceress" or something of the sort.

Question: Is this a legit epilogue or is it bugged? And, do all of us Morrigan fanboys need to worry about the whole Morrigan romance thing being glitched for carryover now in (hopefully) any future DA games?

Sure Alistair and Zevran fangirls  may squeel louder, but don't ignore the Morrigan fanboys!:o
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I'll update this to reflect what seems to be the current thinking as to how the Morrigan romance is working (or not working, if you will ( devs feel free to chime in!):

1.) To get the Awakening Epilogue with the Warden chasing after Morrigan, Morrigan's relationship with the Warden has to be set to "love" at the end of Origins. If its not, then it seems you won't get the Morrigan epilogue slide in Awakening. Yet having her set to love at the end of Origins makes it so you don't get the mention of Morrigan feeling sorrow and regret through the ring.

* Update: All right- having just finished Awakening again, I can verify that to get the Morrigan slide she'll need to be at love in the saved game you imported. What I did was hold off giving her the mirror until the post-epilogue save in Origins which should set her back to love if you spoke with her after the ritual and she went to friendly.

2.) To have Morrigan's relationship status set to "love" at the end of Origins, you can do a couple things that seem to work:
                     - Don't talk to Morrigan about the Ritual after the goodbye sequence at the Gates of
                        Denerim- this will cause her to switch to "friendship" and break up with the Warden.

                    - However, if you want the whole "sorrow and regret" epilogue for Origins, you definitely need to talk
                      with Morrigan after the Ritual, causing her to go to "friendship" status. You should also have
                      Morrigan's ring with you as well and be sure to tell Alistair/Anora that you plan to search for her.

3.) Assuming you romanced Morrigan completely in Origins and got the whole "sorrow and regret" epilogue in Origins, there seems to be 2 ways to get her back to "love"

                         -In the post epilogue save where every one is at camp,  if you still have the Mirror, you can try gifting
                          that to Morrigan. Doing so should set her back to "love" and when imported into Awakening,
                          should give you the Morrigan epilogue. ( I can personally confirm this does work to get her back to
                          "love" status, provided you use the "its a gift for a beautiful woman" line when giving her the mirror.)
 
                        - If you don't have the mirror, well you're out of luck. Unless you're on the PC!  If you're rocking
                          the PC version of DAO, you can try tinkering with the console commands to either set the proper 
                          romance flag or to spawn the mirror again. Personally, I tried spawning the mirror again and giving
                          it to her for a second time but it didn't trigger the cutscene and it only acted like a normal gift. Mess
                          around with the console at your own risk!

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Edit: September 7, 2010

Ok, so Witch Hunt introduced more bugs to the Morrigan romance ending! Surprise, surprise! For the latest offical updates from BioWare, check out this thread: http://social.biowar...4/index/4730386

And courtesy Blademaster7 and Terra_ex, here is a potential work around for when Morrigan doesn't recognize the DR during the last conversation in Witch Hunt:

blademaster7 wrote...

Alright. Here's a little tutorial on how to avoid the bug.

Follow the bold parts if you aren't interested in reading technical issues.

Terra_Ex wrote...

Regarding the bug:

it seems to be caused by the "post-game" in Origins. If you cast your  mind back to when we were discussing that "PRC" plot file several months back you remember that the game copied all the ritual flags to a  separate plot file before wiping the original, presumably to avoid  breaking morrigan's dialogue in the post game.

The choices you  make regarding the ritual are stored in clipt_morrigan_ritual.plt (GUID 764C8DAF-F227-4DFE BC7C-7B32FA2BB0CD) in DA:O. This plot file is wiped  if the player loads the post-game save (where they appear at the "On the road" area)  following the coronation scene in DA:O. Its contents are  copied to the "PRC" plot file we discussed months ago in the post-game  script cam900ar_endgame.nss. The problem is, if the player imports a  Origins/Awakening save where this process has occured, Witch Hunt tries  to read the ritual plot flags from the now-cleared plotfile. You can see the game trying to access the plot file in the logs.

Thus the game believes you didn't do the ritual even if you did. The only  feasible workaround for this is to import an origins save from the  coronation room (the "final save" might work too) or an Awakening save  where you never entered the "post game" of DA:O. Bioware should sort this out imo.

Short version - if you entered the "post game" in Origins, and imported that save into Awakening/Golems/WH you are bugged.


Right after you import your save, check the very first dialogue you have with your dog once the game starts.

blademaster7 wrote...

Here's how to check what flag gets imported. If you are planning on importing a Warden that romanced her  and did the DR then do a bit of testing before you waste 2 hours of your time.

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This is the first conversation with your dog. If #3 is available then it   means you did the DR and you got a proper game. If not then either you refused it or you got a buggy save.

If #3 isn't available to pick then try another save.


And even before that, you can actually tell your relationship state and the state of the DR.

When Claudia Black gives the Morrigan voice over at the very beginning, she says the line "Do not follow, I said-" the very  next part of that line is different depending on how you left things.

- If you did the DR with her or romanced her, the next part of that line is " Harder words I have never spoken."

- If you have a DR bugged ending or you turned down the DR its-"and slipped into the shadows."

-If you did the DR but didn't romance her she says "yet you search even so".

- Then its different again if you have an Orlesian Warden.

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AND, the PC fix for Witch Hunt is out, which fixes the DR problems!



Edit- March 11, 2011

Ahhh yes, the Morrigan romance flags (and possibly the other Origins LIs) don't seem to be recognized properly in DA2. Morrigan doesn't seem to have any references to her romance, so its seemingly not a big deal, but yet another buggy import.

Modifié par Brockololly, 09 avril 2011 - 04:07 .


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Stigandr Ogaefa

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Same thing happened to me, was pissed off about it when I read about other romances getting a mention in epilogue.

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Yeah, I mentioned this before. Here's what I wrote in some other thread. I wasn't 100% sure at first but seeing how it works the same for everyone, I'm calling it an import error.

There is an inconsistency with that ending as I found out.

If you got the ring in your DAO epilogue then you won't get the Awakening  epilogue for Morrigan.


In order to get the ring text for Morrigan in DAO you have to trigger a  specific conversation during the final battle. If you trigger it, your  approval will switch from love to friendly and the game will assume the  romance ended(which in fact does end so it's not a bug).

If you  import that save into Awakening it will not recognize the romance (even  though the ring in the epilogue made it blatantly obvious that it's still there). The reason is simply because the approval was "friendly"  when you imported your save. I see irony in this because the ring text  is the climax of Morrigan's romance and it only comes up if you changed  her approval to friendly.

My guess is, they overlooked it. You did nothing  wrong. The game just didn't properly recognize it.

The thing is, if you trigger the ring epilogue, Awakening assumes you didn't romance her. The only way to get the Morrigan mention in Awakening is by not talking to her during the final battle in order to keep the approval at "love". You won't get the ring in your epilogue but Awakening will recognize the romance.

Messed up.

Modifié par blademaster7, 19 mars 2010 - 07:49 .


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I'd like to know this as well.



Of my 2 characters that romanced Morrigan, 1 didn't talk to her at the gates and still has her aproval shown as "love", while the other did talk to her and was reduced down to friendship.



Guess I'll have to import them both into Awakening and just see how that turns out in epilogue...

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Brockololly

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I know in the big scheme of things its not a big deal, but it stinks because I was looking forward to just some mention of Morrigan in the epilogue, seeing as the devs said your romances would at least be acknowledged as having happened.

So I guess its a trade off between not getting the whole "sorrow and regret" ring epilogue in DAO versus not getting the Morrigan epilogue in Awakening.

Modifié par Brockololly, 19 mars 2010 - 07:50 .


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Just another example of continuity being off :crying:

I was just going to start my mage in awakening who got the Morrigan ring epilogue, now I don't want to.

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I think it may have something to do with the fact that there are at least two or more variables linked to the PC's relationship with Morrigan. If something fails to take into account one of them, it may throw everything off. I remember poking around in the toolset a while back and there seems to be a separate flag variable named something like "MORRIGAN_STILL_IN_LOVE" that is separate from the one used to track whether or not the romance is still active.



It may lead to odd situations like the post-game save where Morrigan is listed as being Friendly even if the romance was supposed to have been active pre-Landsmeet (which is when the post-game save is supposed to be placed, chronologically). This is mostly just speculation on my part but it could be the case that the epilogue for Awakening failed to take this into account and merely checked to see if the romance was listed as active.

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Tattercloak wrote...

It may lead to odd situations like the post-game save where Morrigan is listed as being Friendly even if the romance was supposed to have been active pre-Landsmeet (which is when the post-game save is supposed to be placed, chronologically). This is mostly just speculation on my part but it could be the case that the epilogue for Awakening failed to take this into account and merely checked to see if the romance was listed as active.


This is precisely what I think is going on- granted, I have no technical knowledge to prove it, but its frustrating since I was thinking something like this might happen when I was making my final DAO runthrough to import into Awakening. 

I just want to know if this is a carryover bug or if the devs intended this since Morrigan technically ended the relationship in DAO despite the Warden potentially claiming to go search for her and feeling her regret through the ring...

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Brockololly wrote...

Tattercloak wrote...

It may lead to odd situations like the post-game save where Morrigan is listed as being Friendly even if the romance was supposed to have been active pre-Landsmeet (which is when the post-game save is supposed to be placed, chronologically). This is mostly just speculation on my part but it could be the case that the epilogue for Awakening failed to take this into account and merely checked to see if the romance was listed as active.


This is precisely what I think is going on- granted, I have no technical knowledge to prove it, but its frustrating since I was thinking something like this might happen when I was making my final DAO runthrough to import into Awakening. 

I just want to know if this is a carryover bug or if the devs intended this since Morrigan technically ended the relationship in DAO despite the Warden potentially claiming to go search for her and feeling her regret through the ring...


Actually I played RTO after beating the game, and when I talked to morrigan in camp she gave me the "I have never had a firend and your my friend speech". Eventhough I had gotten the ring epilouge and I had her at 100% love.

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You know what is really eally sad?
I'm redoing my entire mage character specificly so I can get this epilogue instead of the generic one.
:?

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SDNcN wrote...

You know what is really eally sad?
I'm redoing my entire mage character specificly so I can get this epilogue instead of the generic one.
:?


true :P

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SDNcN wrote...

You know what is really eally sad?
I'm redoing my entire mage character specificly so I can get this epilogue instead of the generic one.
:?

You're redoing a character just for that slide? Don't bother. It's not your fault if Awakening didn't recognized it. The slide was supposed to be there for everyone that romanced her, but it's not because the ring epilogue messes up the approval.

I don't really care to be honest but I sympathise with anyone that wanted a mention. People who romanced Morrigan got a pretty bad ending indeed . Now Bioware decides to throw a bone to Morrigan fans but they didn't calculate the approval shft at the end(which happened to the majority of players as I can tell).

Dissapointing, but it's not worth getting upset enough to redo a DAO playthrough. You did nothing wrong.

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blademaster7 wrote...

SDNcN wrote...

You know what is really eally sad?
I'm redoing my entire mage character specificly so I can get this epilogue instead of the generic one.
:?

You're redoing a character just for that slide? Don't bother. It's not your fault if Awakening didn't recognized it. The slide was supposed to be there for everyone that romanced her, but it's not because the ring epilogue messes up the approval.

I don't really care to be honest but I sympathise with anyone that wanted a mention. People who romanced Morrigan got a pretty bad ending indeed . Now Bioware decides to throw a bone to Morrigan fans but they didn't calculate the approval shft at the end(which happened to the majority of players as I can tell).

Dissapointing, but it's not worth getting upset enough to redo a DAO playthrough. You did nothing wrong.


You're talking to people like me.

The ones that played ME2 full paragon... realized without an import it defaults you to full on pro-human renegade for ME1 choices.  Went out and bought ME again... played through ME full paragon... ported that save file to ME2 and played through AGAIN full paragon just so I had a save file ready for ME3 that was full paragon ;)

People will do it, but (at the same time) bugs need to be patched.

Modifié par Sardonii, 19 mars 2010 - 09:33 .


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Oh no :-( thats bad...anyway to fix this?

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Brockololly wrote...


Sure Alistair and Zevran fangirls  may squeel louder, but don't ignore the Morrigan fanboys!:o


You guys need to squeel too. Like, really loud.

Only way to ever get the attention of a game company.

Also include threats of never buying said game expansions/sequels.

Modifié par The_Abyss, 19 mars 2010 - 09:43 .


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We should try keeping this thread up so that it gets addressed, I'm not doing my mage until it is fixed haha.

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So much devotion. People are actually willing to replay the whole thing just to see an epilogue slide that was supposed to be there in the first place. I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, I'm actually(once again) declaring my sympathies to anyone that wanted more from Morrigan's romance.

I truly believe it wasn't intentional on Bioware's part. The epilogue with the ring is the proper ending that you're supposed to get in DAO and you were supposed to get the Morrigan mention in Awakening ending too.

There are speculations that we're gonna play with new characters in DA2 without importing anything. I would hate to stick around the forums in this case. I foresee a riot.

Modifié par blademaster7, 19 mars 2010 - 01:21 .


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blademaster7 wrote...

So much devotion. People are actually willing to replay the whole thing just to see an epilogue slide that was supposed to be there in the first place. I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, I'm actually(once again) decalring my sympathies to anyone that wanted more from Morrigan's romance.

I truly believe it wasn't intentional on Bioware's part. The epilogue with the ring is the proper ending that you're supposed to get in DAO and you were supposed to get the Morrigan mention in Awakening ending too.

There are speculations that we're gonna play with new characters in DA2 without importing anything. I would hate to stick around the forums in this case. I foresee a riot.


Well, I've thought about reloading an old DAO save to get the "proper" Awakening Morrigan epilogue, at least with a different Warden.I'd like to think its just a bug, but a dev response would be welcome.

Perhaps an Exalted March would be more appropriate? I'm just a bit miffed since I thought we would at least get some little hint, even just a mention in the epilogue to keep hope alive. And yeah it is there, but its seemingly glitched.

So long as we get some resolution to the Warden's story beyond having the Warden go all stabbity to a broodmother and then walk away, something a bit more suitably epic while having the opportunity to meet or at least search for Morrigan, I'll be content. Whether thats DA2 or an expansion, I just want an ending with a bit more polish than Awakening is all...

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My God. I 've just started Awakenings and you are telling me Bioware is now going add yet another insult to the Morrigan injury by screwing up the Morrigan epilogue in Awakenings? Are you kidding me?

Man, I'm about done with these guys. I'm serious, I love this game, but there is only so much I'm going to take with this contrived romance crap. The Dark Ritual was ugly enough, contirved and stupid after such a long effort. Her silence and your expectation to accept it like a chump was insulting, and now this.

I'm now beginning to suspect that Bioware ejoys screwing their fan base over for a misguided sense of building suspense and demand.

Good God, Bioware doing romances is sort of like chimps doing geometry. Turn it over to adults please, before it's too late.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 19 mars 2010 - 01:35 .


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Brockololly, how exactly are you expecting a dev to react?

"umm... we programmed it into the expansion just to show that your Warden hasn't forgotten her. After he's done being a Grey Warden he travels to Orlais to find her. But we made an error and now 90% of people who romanced her won't get to see that ending. Sorry"

Someone should make a mod that lets the Broodmother eat you alive if you romanced Morrigan. Much better ending IMO. :D

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blademaster7 wrote...

Brockololly, how exactly are you expecting a dev to react?

"umm... we programmed it into the expansion just to show that your Warden hasn't forgotten her. After he's done being a Grey Warden he travels to Orlais to find her. But we made an error and now 90% of people who romanced her won't get to see that ending. Sorry"

Someone should make a mod that lets the Broodmother eat you alive if you romanced Morrigan. Much better ending IMO. :D


First of all, glad you made that topic Brockololly. Hopefully someone will respond.

@Blademaster7: well, one simple way to do it would be say (if it's a bug): we are sorry, we made a mistake here, it should be there for everyone. We will either:
1. fix this with the next patch or
2. we won't fix this, but there is no need to worry, we are aware of this and you don'T have to be concerned that your romance is not recognized simpkly because you completely finished the game.

Mistakes can happen, i'm mad because after the already saddening ending of Origins, they maybe tried to provide us something and no one is paying attention it doesn't really work. But at the moment, i'm pretty pissed since if i completed Origins the way it was supposed to be completed, i get screwed in Awakening. So hopefully someone who knows form the dev's can shed some light on this

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People who read this forum belong in the minority of DAO fans. Even if the devs admit they made an error in the programming it won't change much. Most people won't get that ending(and would not even bother searching for it). They will just assume that they dropped the ball with Morrigan.

But if you're too eager to hear what they have to say, send them a PM or something.

Modifié par blademaster7, 19 mars 2010 - 02:16 .


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blademaster7 wrote...

People who read this forum belong in the minority of DAO fans. Even if the devs admit they made an error in the programming it won't change much. Most people won't get that ending(and would not even bother searching for it). They will just assume that they dropped the ball with Morrigan.


No one saif they have to make an press release and a small videochat where they apologize to the fans worldwide for making that mistake.
But checking in here, saying "sorry you Morrigan fans, we didn't notice it won't trigger for everyone" would be fine and sufficient.  I really cared for her in Origins and would like to have that epilogue and can't despite properly finishing Origins cause it's most probably bugged.

Of course, the greatest concern is, say the unimaginable happens and the Warden returns in whatever kind of way and meets her again and the game treats you like you have just been good friends all the time. That would be a huge letdown.

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The ring epilogue was about friendship?
The ring epilogue was love!

This is really messed up. If there is a Morrigan expansion that doesn't involve the past romance, I will be depressed.

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It shouldn't be too difficult to fix things like this with a patch, hopefully they actually do that instead of making sure NPC armor pen rates are balanced.



I can sympathize with the people thinking of replaying to make it work out, hell I reloaded the ending of Origins like 4 times in order to get the slide where it mentioned the ring, finally did it when I had the ring equipped. I was thinking about doing it again anyway because the codex claims I killed Isolde to save Conner.



Bugs like these are issues for people who buy into the whole "import saves to tell your story" thing that has been going on for DA:O and Mass Effect.