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[blademaster7]

Brockololly, are you certain that Awakening only needs the romance_active flag? Or is it the in_love flag?

It just crossed my mind that importing a save file before the final battle with the romance activated will give you the correct epilogue in Awakening. If the only requirment is the romance_active then you can import a save from Lothering. Stupid, I know, but it will work if you flirted with her enough to trigger the romance.

Good news for console players I guess. If you still have the auto-save that got created after you entered Denerim then you wont miss anything. Except for a few XP that is. If you don't have that save then a post-landsmeet save would work as well.

Modifié par blademaster7, 30 mai 2010 - 08:48 .

[Master Shiori]

Ash Wind wrote...

Very nice stuff... she really captures Morrigan.

So, on pages 4/5 is she on the ground like that because she's exhausted... or because she's anguished?

My guess is because she's anguished. You could see it on her face on page 2.

[Brockololly]

blademaster7 wrote...

Brockololly, are you certain that Awakening only needs the romance_active flag? Or is it the in_love flag?

It just crossed my mind that importing a save file before the final battle with the romance activated will give you the correct epilogue in Awakening. If the only requirment is the romance_active then you can import a save from Lothering. Stupid, I know, but it will work if you flirted with her enough to trigger the romance.

Good news for console players I guess. If you still have the auto-save that got created after you entered Denerim then you wont miss anything. Except for a few XP that is. If you don't have that save then a post-landsmeet save would work as well.

With Awakening I'm honestly not certain of anything^_^

Well my understanding of it goes like this- may be flawed but this is what I've deduced: still_in_love doesn't get triggered until you talk with her about "last night" but in my own experience, every time you import that into Awakening you won't get the proper epilogue. Whereas I know there have been people who don't talk with Morrigan about last night thus keeping the romance active and import into Awakening and get her epilogue just fine.

Whether there is more going on with the blasted "still_in_love" flag is anyone's guess. But like you mentioned, I would wager that if you imported an earlier save into Awakening, so long as the romance is active it would likely work. At least as far as getting the epilogue right.  If you're on a console and can't use mods I think the ol' mirror trick works nicely, but then you've probably got to do a new run.

[Barbarossa2010]

Master Shiori wrote...

Chapter 1 of Demons Within is up (3 pages so far):

ximena07.deviantart.com/#/d2qp4gh

This one is hard to swallow for anyone who romanced Morri, though Ximena says it'll get better (she was really torn when drawing this).
Battle of Denerim all over again, so consider yourself warned.

Great comic!  That truly captures the essence of this thread.  Excellent.

[blademaster7]

Brockololly wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

Brockololly, are you certain that Awakening only needs the romance_active flag? Or is it the in_love flag?

It just crossed my mind that importing a save file before the final battle with the romance activated will give you the correct epilogue in Awakening. If the only requirment is the romance_active then you can import a save from Lothering. Stupid, I know, but it will work if you flirted with her enough to trigger the romance.

Good news for console players I guess. If you still have the auto-save that got created after you entered Denerim then you wont miss anything. Except for a few XP that is. If you don't have that save then a post-landsmeet save would work as well.

With Awakening I'm honestly not certain of anything^_^

Well my understanding of it goes like this- may be flawed but this is what I've deduced: still_in_love doesn't get triggered until you talk with her about "last night" but in my own experience, every time you import that into Awakening you won't get the proper epilogue. Whereas I know there have been people who don't talk with Morrigan about last night thus keeping the romance active and import into Awakening and get her epilogue just fine.

Whether there is more going on with the blasted "still_in_love" flag is anyone's guess. But like you mentioned, I would wager that if you imported an earlier save into Awakening, so long as the romance is active it would likely work. At least as far as getting the epilogue right.  If you're on a console and can't use mods I think the ol' mirror trick works nicely, but then you've probably got to do a new run.

Bingo. Most people are stuck with their post-epilogue save and the still_in_love flag. It is not necessary to import that save though. Any save will do with Awakening. A save that takes place after the landsmeet is preferable if you are on PS3/360. You will only miss some XP and loot but it won't mess up your ending.

Hear that console players? blademaster to the rescue once again...

Modifié par blademaster7, 30 mai 2010 - 09:39 .

[Brockololly]

blademaster7 wrote...

Bingo. Most people are stuck with their post-epilogue save and the still_in_love flag. It is not necessary to import that save though. Any save will do with Awakening. A save that takes place after the landsmeet is preferable if you are on PS3/360. You will only miss some XP and loot but it won't mess up your ending.

Hear that console players? blademaster to the rescue once again...

The only thing with importing an earlier save is that you might not have the right outcome with Alistair/Loghain/Anora, but like you said just about any post-Landsmeet save would no doubt work nicely.

[blademaster7]

That's why I recommended a save after the landsmeet. Who you pick as the ruler is going to carry over, I'm pretty sure about it. If you import an earlier save then you will be given Alistair as the default.

As for Loghain, I don't know what triggers his cameo. I'll take a guess and say, you need the " morrigan's ritual agreed" and "Loghain recruited" flags set to true.

I'm not really sure if the console versions have an auto-save. If they do, then all you need is the auto-save that you have after you enter the city.

Modifié par blademaster7, 30 mai 2010 - 10:51 .

[Brockololly]

I know its been brought up before, but the one thing that does give me some faith we'll get some measure of continuity with the whole DR thing is some of the notation in the toolset. Specifically, if you look in the scripts-->party camps-->cam900ar_endgame, you'll see this note: "All of these flags' original values are stored in "prcpt_postgame" for checking later" Then it goes off to list the Morrigan related DR flags (who did it, who knows about it...)

I'm certainly not a toolset wizard, but was wondering if we even know what this prcpt_postgame file is? PRC meaning post release content obviously, but is it possible to find and see what is in this "prcpt_postgame" file thingy? I'm just curious if there would be any other info in there that might give clues as to what they may be planning or at least choices from Origins that may be deemed significant down the road.

[Terra_Ex]

Brockololly wrote...

blademaster7
wrote...

Brockololly, are you certain that Awakening only needs the romance_active flag? Or is it the in_love flag?

It just crossed my mind that importing a save file before the final battle with the romance activated will give you the correct epilogue in Awakening. If the only requirment is the romance_active then you can import a save from Lothering. Stupid, I know, but it will work if you flirted with her enough to trigger the romance.

Good news for console players I guess. If you still have the auto-save that got created after you entered Denerim then you wont miss anything. Except for a few XP that is. If you don't have that save then a post-landsmeet save would work as well.

With Awakening I'm honestly not certain of anything[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Well my understanding of it goes like this- may be flawed but this is what I've deduced: still_in_love doesn't get triggered until you talk with her about "last night" but in my own experience, every time you import that into Awakening you won't get the proper epilogue. Whereas I know there have been people who don't talk with Morrigan about last night thus keeping the romance active and import into Awakening and get her epilogue just fine.

Whether there is more going on with the blasted "still_in_love" flag is anyone's guess. But like you mentioned, I
would wager that if you imported an earlier save into Awakening, so long as the romance is active it would likely work. At least as far as getting the epilogue right.  If you're on a console and can't use mods I think the ol' mirror trick works nicely, but then you've probably got to do a new run.

This is why the flags used in Origins are so totally screwed up. To solve this simply all they needed to do was have one flag for each LI that would be set upon successfully completing the romance in its entirety (and under no other circumstances), this would have solved the problem definitively. Instead this romance_active/still in love nonsense means they can barely differentiate between someone who activates the romance and then ignores the LI and someone who completes the whole thing. Likewise, still_in_love could feasibly be set not long after initially meeting a LI provided the appropriate responses are chosen and gifts are given.

Brockololly wrote...

I know its been brought up before, but the one thing that does give me some faith we'll get some measure of continuity with the whole DR thing is some of the notation in the toolset. Specifically, if you look in the scripts-->party camps-->cam900ar_endgame, you'll see this note: "All of these flags' original values are stored in "prcpt_postgame" for checking later" Then it goes off to list the Morrigan related DR flags (who did it, who knows about it...)

I'm certainly not a toolset wizard, but was wondering if we even know what this prcpt_postgame file is? PRC meaning post release content obviously, but is it possible to find and see what is in this "prcpt_postgame" file thingy? I'm just curious if there would be any other info in there that might give clues as to what they may be planning or at least choices from Origins that may be deemed significant down the road.

Its nothing special, simply a plot file that contains a series of flags, all of which pertaining to the DR. If you look for Plot files in the resource palette and filter the list to "prcpt_postgame" it'll show up. It's basically a separate plot file that is used only once - upon the games completion to store the appropriate flags presumably for future use.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 31 mai 2010 - 03:25 .

[Brockololly]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Its nothing special, simply a plot file that contains a series of flags, all of which pertaining to the DR. If you look for Plot files in the resource palette and filter the list to "prcpt_postgame" it'll show up. It's basically a separate plot file that is used only once - upon the games completion to store the appropriate flags presumably for future use.

Ah ha- just found that, many thanks. Yeah, nothing remarkable to see there.

w00t! Ximena just posted the next page (page 6) to the Morri comic: http://ximena07.devi...t.com/#/d2qrqe1
Kind of nice to see Morrigan with her hair down.

Modifié par Brockololly, 31 mai 2010 - 03:34 .

[Swoo]

Brockololly wrote...

Terra_Ex wrote...

Its nothing special, simply a plot file that contains a series of flags, all of which pertaining to the DR. If you look for Plot files in the resource palette and filter the list to "prcpt_postgame" it'll show up. It's basically a separate plot file that is used only once - upon the games completion to store the appropriate flags presumably for future use.

Ah ha- just found that, many thanks. Yeah, nothing remarkable to see there.

w00t! Ximena just posted the next page (page 6) to the Morri comic: http://ximena07.devi...t.com/#/d2qrqe1
Kind of nice to see Morrigan with her hair down.

I'm really liking the series but I have to say I just don't see Morrigan going back to a hut or cottage any time soon. When we run into her again - yeah that's right, when. Screw this negativity! - I'm throwing down a gold that it's in some sort of nobles court or other important locale of the Orleasian political/Bardic Game.

Where would you folks think you'd see her?

[Bahlgan]

I'm really liking the series but I have to say I just don't see Morrigan going back to a hut or cottage any time soon. When we run into her again - yeah that's right, when. Screw this negativity! - I'm throwing down a gold that it's in some sort of nobles court or other important locale of the Orleasian political/Bardic Game.

Where would you folks think you'd see her?

That is a good thought. If not that, then let me cover ground by adding that it might be possible to meet her at some ancient Tevinter ruins where Urthemiel (before being imprisoned) was worshipped. Something tells me that will be an epic location. Although I am also open to believe that you will meet her many times throughout, as well as even have her join the party, to help defend X from Y and get Z results. Just a speculation of course, but my instincts tell me there will at least be some Tevinter ruins. 

[Brockololly]

Swoo wrote...

I'm really liking the series but I have to say I just don't see Morrigan going back to a hut or cottage any time soon. When we run into her again - yeah that's right, when. Screw this negativity! - I'm throwing down a gold that it's in some sort of nobles court or other important locale of the Orleasian political/Bardic Game.

Where would you folks think you'd see her?

I don't see Morrigan just chilling in some hut either. But then again who knows? So much would depend on her plan and how OGB fits into everything.

• Maybe Morrigan is chilling in a hut in the Wilds
• Maybe Morrigan is chilling with her Dragon Cult buddies
• Maybe Morrigan is scheming all Rasputin like in the Court of Orlais
• Or maybe Morrigan heads to the Urthemiel Plateau, which is conveniently in western Orlais...

The thing with wherever she goes is how would she care for and possibly hide the OGB. We don't know anything about what the OGb would be like, but I guess it all depends on if she wants attention. Thats why her insinuating herself into the Court of Orlais always seems strange to me. She has said on numerous occasions that she has no interest in civilized ways and has never experienced such a lifestyle. So would she blend in at the court of Orlais? Or would she be accepted into the court of Orlais as a kind of novelty, the exotic, snarky mage? If that was the case, especially with the Chantry and Templars and all, I don't see how she would really be able to "insinuate" herself into the Court, as "insinuate" implies subtlety or a measure of covertness.

Erghh... come on E3! Bring us answers!!!

Modifié par Brockololly, 31 mai 2010 - 04:04 .

[Bahlgan]

You are crazy man! Crazeh!!

[blademaster7]

Terra_Ex wrote...

This is why the flags used in Origins
are so totally screwed up. To solve this simply all they needed to do
was have one flag for each LI that would be set upon successfully
completing the romance in its entirety (and under no other
circumstances), this would have solved the problem definitively. Instead
this romance_active/still in love nonsense means they can barely
differentiate between someone who activates the romance and then ignores
the LI and someone who completes the whole thing. Likewise,
still_in_love could feasibly be set not long after initially meeting a
LI provided the appropriate responses are chosen and gifts are given.

The fix is very simple, really. If only we had an update on the toolset so we can fix it...

Just use the in_love_or_still_in_love script.  It's the perfect flag and yet they didn't use it.

Brockololly wrote...

I know its been brought up before, but the one thing that does give me some faith we'll get some measure of continuity with the whole DR thing is some of the notation in the toolset. Specifically, if you look in the scripts-->party camps-->cam900ar_endgame, you'll see this note: "All of these flags' original values are stored in "prcpt_postgame" for checking later" Then it goes off to list the Morrigan related DR flags (who did it, who knows about it...)

I'm certainly not a toolset wizard, but was wondering if we even know what this prcpt_postgame file is? PRC meaning post release content obviously, but is it possible to find and see what is in this "prcpt_postgame" file thingy? I'm just curious if there would be any other info in there that might give clues as to what they may be planning or at least choices from Origins that may be deemed significant down the road.

Maybe they put those things in the toolset just in case? Because, ya know... they can go anywhere they want.

Anyway, Corinne Kempa let it leak that she recorded some dialogue for Leliana back in February. That alone is enough to make someone optimistic(hey don't look at me) that we will see continuation at some point. The thing we don't know is what did she record? DLC? DA2 cameo? Companion for another expansion?

It could be something lame like the Alistair/Wynne banter we saw in RtO but at the same time it may be something big(DA2 companion... fingers crossed).

Brockololly wrote...


[*]Maybe Morrigan is scheming all Rasputin like in the Court of Orlais

Hmm... you know, I've been thinking about that ending for a while.

The epilogue tells you that several years have passed. It lets you know that Flemeth didn't make a move yet. Or she did and failed.. but that is rather unlikely. Do you think she lied about her mother?(surprise surprise...)

Maybe Flemeth and Morrigan have some sort of plan B? Why would she suck up to Orlesian nobles when she can stay with the prince consort of Ferelden?
Hmmm... so many possibilities.

Modifié par blademaster7, 31 mai 2010 - 05:56 .

[Ash Wind]

Swoo wrote...

I'm really liking the series but I have to say I just don't see Morrigan going back to a hut or cottage any time soon. When we run into her again - yeah that's right, when. Screw this negativity! - I'm throwing down a gold that it's in some sort of nobles court or other important locale of the Orleasian political/Bardic Game.

Where would you folks think you'd see her?

Well, it does make sense if you take her at her word during the Dark Ritual she states, "I will raise the child apart from the rest of society...."

An isolated hut would fit that description.

Modifié par Ash Wind, 31 mai 2010 - 06:46 .

[Ash Wind]

I also believe that were are not done with Morrigan. The signs all point to it from a story perspective, the unfinished story... the regret and sorrow... the Awakenings epilogue card.

The possible DR file that may exist only strengthens my belief. Add in the fact that no matter how you ended the game, if you reached the Archdemon, then you at least had to make a decision regarding the DR. I think, even though you can end DA with the US of a character, its pretty much going to be cannon that Morrigan left the Denerim that day bearing a child born with the soul of an OG.

The fun part about all this are the near infinite possibilities it offers.

Unless the child is going to be some toddler, there is going to have to be a passage of time between the end of Awakenings and when we again cross paths with her. Who knows... she may have another love interest.

And I am sure Flemeth will be part of it all. Whether the DR turns out to be good or bad, the idea that Morrigan and Flemeth are still in league with one another lingers from time to time. Maybe the 'killiing' of Flemeth was part of the plan, to get her into a state of existence... for who knows what.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Modifié par Ash Wind, 31 mai 2010 - 06:26 .

[Swoo]

Well, it does make sense if you take her at her word during the Dark
Ritual she states, "I will raise the child apart from the rest of
society...."

Hmm, good catch. I suppose it does make sense, I forgot about that line and instead focused more on the Orleasian slides and the Cult angles.

And I am sure Flemeth will be part of it all

The epilogue tells you that several years
have passed. It lets you know that Flemeth didn't make a move
yet. Or she did and failed.. but that is rather unlikely. Do you think
she lied about her mother?(surprise surprise...)

Well, from what we know Flemeth is actually two beings wrapped in one; Even if she did truly die in the Wilds when we made our little pit-stop, I'm rather sure the Demon-Thing is still around. So we could run into Flemeth-but-not-quite rather easily in any sort of continuation. So I would expect to hear from her as well.

The thing that always makes me wonder with Flemeth is the fact she was so nonchalant about Morrigan sending us to kill her, even saying the whole 'discovered something so shocking that I had to die' line a bit too easily, and alluding to the fact she's heard, and told, the tale multiple times over the course of existence. Then you add the doubt our Toolset-Diggers found where we might have been lied too in that whole deal.

So would she blend in at the court of Orlais?

An eccentric court mage with a knack for misdirection and manipulation could thrive in the Orleasiean Game imo.

Why would she suck up to Orlesian nobles when she can stay with the
prince consort of Ferelden?

Because she can control the situation in a new locale, with the Warden she would have a huge wild card that could resist/run counter to whatever she had planned, and we've proven to be rather excellent problem solvers when people get in our way. Or perhaps it was a fear that it's a damn deadly game she's about to have to play and she didn't want to drag you into it.

Or maybe Morrigan heads to the Urthemiel Plateau

I have no idea what that is other than the OGB's namesake. Is there something up there that would make it a reasonable destination point that showed up in another codex or book?

If not that, then let me cover ground by adding that it might be
possible to meet her at some ancient Tevinter ruins where Urthemiel
(before being imprisoned) was worshipped.

This is becoming my feeling. Arl Foreshadow hinted at some Elves of Arthalan still maintaining their immortality, and the Elves have been linked to the Teventirs, Blood Magic, and the Old Gods in multiple ways in the history we have available to us at the moment.

[blademaster7]

Swoo wrote...

Well, from what we know Flemeth is actually two beings wrapped in one; Even if she did truly die in the Wilds when we made our little pit-stop, I'm rather sure the Demon-Thing is still around. So we could run into Flemeth-but-not-quite rather easily in any sort of continuation. So I would expect to hear from her as well.

The thing that always makes me wonder with Flemeth is the fact she was so nonchalant about Morrigan sending us to kill her, even saying the whole 'discovered something so shocking that I had to die' line a bit too easily, and alluding to the fact she's heard, and told, the tale multiple times over the course of existence. Then you add the doubt our Toolset-Diggers found where we might have been lied too in that whole deal.

I'm just trying to see the whole picture here. Even if you don't give her the black grimoire or simply let Flemeth live then you will get the same epilogue.

I can coclude two things from this. One, she didn't get her old god child, and number two, she is stil alive out there.

But what do the writers want to tell us with that? Does she have some sort of plan B? Is she trying to protect her self from Flemeth by hiding behind Orlesian nobles(they do control the chantry and the templars after all)?

Or did she lie to you about Flemeth, and since neither of them got the OGB they stayed out of each others way?

What is she after? Power? Survival? Probably both, but the real question is why she is so desperate to gain power. Selfishness or necessity?

[Master Shiori]

Acording to Morrigan power ensures survival.



Yet, it seems for her power is always a means to an end, not the end itself.



What she wants with the God baby or what her ultimate plan is are a mistery. Considering her attitude towards the Chantry and the templars it's fair to guess that hwatever she plans to do wouldn't make those groups happy.



She might be trying to ressurect the worship of the Old Gods, or maybe there is something she desires from Urthemiel?



As for her relationship with Flemeth, we have no idea what their original plan was or why Morrigan wanted her out of the way. Maybe it was an act of rebellion on her part for all the years she had to obey Flemeth or maybe she has her own ideas about what to do with the god baby.

[Vicious]

Morrigan seeks power in Orlais primarily for the benefit of the OGB, would be my guess.



I would surmise

maybe she has her own ideas about what to do with the god baby.

this.



Flemeth's desires for the OGB and Morrigan's are not the same, would also be my guess.





That said, even if we don't see her with the Wardens again, I REALLY hope Bioware has something better up their sleeve than Morrigan turning evil.



Because her party banter about 'the only way to shapeshift into a form is to copy a creature's SOUL" and that Shale alludes that she may well not even be Human at all, could easily be used as stock villain material in lieu of a more interesting story.

[Master Shiori]

Vicious wrote...

Morrigan seeks power in Orlais primarily for the benefit of the OGB, would be my guess.

I would surmise

maybe she has her own ideas about what to do with the god baby.

this.

Flemeth's desires for the OGB and Morrigan's are not the same, would also be my guess.


That said, even if we don't see her with the Wardens again, I REALLY hope Bioware has something better up their sleeve than Morrigan turning evil.

Because her party banter about 'the only way to shapeshift into a form is to copy a creature's SOUL" and that Shale alludes that she may well not even be Human at all, could easily be used as stock villain material in lieu of a more interesting story.

Morrigan turning into a villain would be a massive disappointment.

The thing that makes DA characters so interesting is that here is no clear line between good and evil. They all have their good and bad sides.

I'd preffer to keep Morrigan wrapped up in shades of grey.

[bl00dsh0t]

Agreed with ya all once again, a few more pages on our new favourite comic are out...caution still depressing xD



http://ximena07.devi...t.com/#/d2qrqe1

[blademaster7]

http://ximena07.devi...llery/#/d2qkyvo

I don't know if you noticed this drawing but I'm just posting it to point out it's brilliance. I love stories that jump a few years into the future and show you the progress of a character.

If I ever see my character in his mid-thirties with that miserable look in his face I'll die from a heart attack.

Modifié par blademaster7, 31 mai 2010 - 04:51 .

[Master Shiori]

blademaster7 wrote...

http://ximena07.devi...llery/#/d2qkyvo

I don't know if you noticed this drawing but I'm just posting it to point out it's brilliance. I love stories that jump a few years into the future and show you the progress of a character.

If I ever see my character in his mid-thirties with that miserable look in his face I'll die from a heart attack.

Haha!!

At this point we should be gratefull is we ever see our Wardens again.

But age progression like this is nice. Really let's you see how your character fared over the years.