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THE Morrigan Discussion and Research Thread *Infested with Bugs Yet Again!*


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sami jo wrote...

The devs seem irritated with the romance fans in general...


Thanks for the response on the console sami jo.  I was sure that was the case, but started wondering after reading some of the console players' posts.

Yeah, shame on us consumers.  We probably ought to just shut up, accept the products we're given, and shower Bioware with thanks and endless compliments in such "creativity" as  kicking us Morrigan romancers in the nads, huh? 

Bioware appears to like silence from their customer base.  Morrigan's romance is merely an objective demonstration of that.

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sami jo wrote...

There is no way to determine the status (in love, friendly, warm etc) directly on the consoles. The only indication is the dialogue options with that character and the response the character has when you switch to them (the line they say when you switch to controlling them varies with approval and romance status).

The devs seem irritated with the romance fans in general, so I wouldn't expect a fix. The Zev epilogue slide directly contradicts the epilogue from Origins that people got if they went to rebuild the Wardens even as a friend with him. The letters from Zev and Lel that were written and can be found with the toolset were apparently cut from the game. The only romance that wasn't brushed off was for those who married Allistair, in which case your PC is deliriously happy with him even if it was a political marriage with your PC in love with another character entirely. Given time a modder will fix it for the PC version, and the consoles will be stuck with the bugs. The devs are unlikely to fix it.


I was also thinking about what you said, and I really don't consider myself a romance fan.  I guess I became one however, when the romance detracted so miserably from the game I had to say something.  I mean really, shouldn' t that part of the game be sort of a good thing; or at least written in such a way it's a bitter sweet sort of parting (which Morrigans departure was nothing but a kick in the teeth).   Leveraging a romance for plot necessity seems a bit unfair to me.  Because unless everyone can feel the sting, there's a real inequity of endings for the player base.  I'm not talking a real equity like egalitarian equity, but something a bit better than grotesquely skewed.  Something, in this case, that was so skewed, I found it better to sacrifice my Warden than remain silent and be used in a highly speculative Ritual, armed with nothing but a naive faith in someone who really had not proven themself worthy of that faith.  That was asking nearly the impossible of my Wardens.  But that was the choice given to me after an 80 hour effort.  It really killed the climax of facing the Archdemon for me.

Let's face it, unless you romanced Morrigan there's a decent way out for everyone.  She (in all cases) and Alistair (in one case) ends with you shrugging your should wondering what in the hell happened; and of course it's at the end of the game, when your hero status is really starting to emerge, only to be cut down by the writers, thus ending on a very sour note for some players.  Maybe it's just Dark Fantasy, a genre admittedly I would never have anything to do with if there were serious Medieval classical hero options available in Western RPGs.  A Dark story with gouging, abruptly ended romances just doesn't seem to be a winning formula to me.  Dark with a dependable, normal romance, I think I could do. 

Seems to me, there's plenty of Dark in the story ("the Mother") without trashing the PC in crappy and hopeless romance where he/she staying in-character is never possible in order to appease the plot gods.

So unless Bioware changes the formula of romances to something a little more accomodating to their player base, they probably should expect the romance fans to continue irritating them.  Of course, when we stop being irritating (and they continue to change nothing in their method), then they probably ought to worry.

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I'm starting to dislike Bioware more by the day.c'mon we payed money for this expansion & all we get is buggy expansion.I wish i got FFXIII instead of this.

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It's really unfortunate that we get shafted like this. It's even worse for people like me who owns the console version, we don't have the luxury of fan made fixes/patches like the PC players do. It makes me wish I owned this game for PC just for that reason alone :/

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Anyone tried submitting this in one of those bug compilation threads? The devs said they'd take a look.

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Made a thread, let's see where that goes, could be a possible waste of time though

#257
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Bump, hope a dev can elaborate a bit more on this!

#258
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Bump.

Wanted to say I finished Awakenings finally, and predictably did not get the "dark haired sorceress" epilogue.

I did finally get the heavy-hitter achievement with a single hit of 898, which was pretty cool to watch happen.

I didn't get Morrigan, but I did get Juggernaut, Peon's Plight and Massacre; so I guess that is supposed to be my consolation prize.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 27 mars 2010 - 02:41 .


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BTW, have a question:

If you don't talk to Morrigan after the Gates of Denerim farewells, thus leaving the love flag in place, how does Morrigan treat you in camp after the post-game save. Does she have the "What comes my friend?" greeting when you click on her, or the "Your desire?" greeting.

Just curious to see if the love flag keeps her "in love" in practice.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 27 mars 2010 - 02:48 .


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blademaster7

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I'm pretty sure you get the "appropriate" greeting.



If her approval is "love" you'll get the "your desire" speech.




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Gennojo Ryuga wrote...

Made a thread, let's see where that goes, could be a possible waste of time though


Nevertheless good to try and bump this issue. If you get any response, pls report back. Maybe after this countdown is done, the devs will report back here and stop avoiding the forums, as it seems to be the case at the moment

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blademaster7 wrote...

I'm pretty sure you get the "appropriate" greeting.

If her approval is "love" you'll get the "your desire" speech.


Just wanted to make sure if I'm going to be forced to replay the AD fight (and replay Awakenings) to fit my character into the pigeon hole the writers seem to want him in.

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The epilogue you get in Awakening depends on some silly romance flags. The DAO ending means absolutely nothing.

Even if you accept a boon and decide to settle down in Denerim, your AW ending will send you to Orlais looking for a shapeshifter that doesn't want to be found. :innocent:

I can also trigger Leliana's epilogue in Awakening if I want, even with a character that didn't romance her. I actually tried triggering her romance in the post-epilogue save and it worked. No exploit needed. You just have to save the dialogue about Marjolaine(it triggers her romance).

My epilogue in Awakening will probably say I "reunited" with Leliana, even though I decided to go back to Highever and Leliana was leading an expedition to the sacred ashes.

#264
Gennojo Ryuga

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I have sent an e-mail to EA directly

This is the e-mail I sent them

I imported a character
that was in a romance with Morrigan. I get the epilogue
that the ring shows that she feels regret and sorrow.
When I load the epilogue save the relationship is
bumped down to friendship when it is not supposed to.
Not only that but when I finish Awakening I was supposed
to get an epilogue saying I went looking for her but I never did.


This is the response I got

Subject

I imported a character that was in a romance with Morrigan. I get
the epilogu...
Discussion Thread
Response (Greg)03/27/2010 07:22 PMHi,

Thank
you for contacting Electronic Arts Customer Support.

We are
sorry for the delayed response, due to the popularity of the game, we
are getting high volume of customer contacts, we are trying to answer
all customers on first come first server basis, but sometimes long delay
is inevitable. Once again we are extremely sorry for the inconvenience
caused to you.

The development team is aware of the problem and
has not announced plans to fix this issue. We have no information that
indicates they will. They are however collecting data from the community
and may decide to fix this if they determine enough customers have the
problem
and the problem is technically addressable with a patch, or if a work
around is possible.

The development thread on this issue is at
Link:- http://social.biowar...m/forum/1/index


Certainly development will use the information gathered to
ensure that this problem does not occur in future releases, however it
is impossible to guarantee that this will ever be fixed in the current
version. If you are not interested in tracking this issue on the message
board, please know that you will automatically be notified if an
official solution to this problem in the form of a work around or patch
is discovered.

In the mean time, I am notifying my supervisor
that you have an unresolved problem
that we have no fix for. We at EA customer service make every attempt to
resolve each issue, but sometimes a resolution is simply not possible
due to problems beyond our control.

If there is anything else we
can help you with please let us know.

Sincerely,

-Greg


Modifié par Gennojo Ryuga, 28 mars 2010 - 02:36 .


#265
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^ The response seems very generic.

I bet they send the exact e-mail to everyone. I wouldn't be surprised if they just copy-paste the response to every complain. :D

That's me being grumpy and negative. But they gave me the right to be.

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Yep, that's a customer service form letter.  That letter would address any problem a player could possibly come up with in a game.  In fact the "development issue thread" is nothing but a link to the Forum main page.
EA will not be too concerned about this if it's not going to impact their bottom line, thus why you get the "They are however collecting data from the community and may decide to fix this if they determine enough customers have the problem..." response.

Good on you for trying anyway.

#267
Gennojo Ryuga

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Yea I figured it would be a waste of time but had to try anyway.

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I'm trying to decide whether to go back and play the ending of Origins for my main character and forego talking to Morrigan after the Gates of Denerim farewells. I really don't want to. If BW is going to fix this, or at least comment on it and say it's not a problem going forward, I really don't want to waste the time replaying the end and then replaying Awakening for that character.



I could better spend the time finishing Awakening for my secondary character and getting started on ME2. BW's silence is not helping me out at all.

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I'd just like to add my two cents that this royaly annoys me as well and that I would eagerly appreciate a patch to fix this.

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gah i was so excited to see the continuation of my romantic search for morrigan! i hope bioware will fix this. cause i dont want to loose that plotline for any future possible DA downloads/games

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Back to normal business and trying to get an answer on the Morrigan glitch, since the grand countdown was (attempting to be polite here), a letdown of near-epic proportions.

#272
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They have this tendency of disappointing people every time they announce something(take the EpicFail community announcement for example).



I'm not really eager for the announcement of DA2. Mostly because I think they'll never let us find Morrigan with our current characters.

#273
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Yeah....I know I thought overall Morrigan was the most frequently picked romance option / favorite female character of most people. So in the expansion they give us Oghren as a returning character lols. They may as well have made Sten come back. I mean hell....at the very least why the hell would Dog not be there...sorry but the expansion was just fail. It's the first time I can say that about anything Bioware I've played I hope it is also the last. DA:O was great though.

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Remaining vigilant.

#275
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Get that mod guys to unbug your epilogue, it will put properly the flag "LOVE" in origin and you can even have the sorrowful epilogue but I don't know how it will end in awakening :



http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=933