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bl00dsh0t wrote...

Well giggles there are only 2 companies out there that produce pure awesomeness 99% of the time, and that would be rockstar and blizzard. Sadly blizzard is stuck under the banner of the company that took EA's title of gameruiners and beat them at it :lol:


How could I forget Valve!?! Yeah, for Steam, the Freeman and GLaDOS, Valve is my favorite, sorry BioWare.

The 2/1/2011 date is somewhat worrisome though. If E3 comes and goes with no news about what the hell that date means for DA, then I'd wager that the odds of it being the anime or something other than DA2 go up rather drastically. Of course we know they're making a DA game for that financial quarter, but it could just be a spin off or something too. Its just frustrating to see all these other games being announced that are scheduled to ship in that same time frame and yet not a peep about DA. Wait and see what E3 brings I suppose...

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Valve has never made a bad game for me:

HL1

HL2

LFD 1 & 2

TF1 & TF2

Portal



wish they could release stuff faster.

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Hehe damn forgot about valve xD As a 7 year counterstrike players I should be shot in the nads damnit... still I was not fond of the episode strukture they introduced as well as the cliffy marathon. Ill grab ep2 once I have some sort of confirmation that the story actually ends, hl2 started the cliffhanger marathon for me, only to imo being outclassed by max payne 2 as my most beloved game of that year. I want my stories to end, not to wait years and years for another episode that solves pretty much nothing. Especially when the story and gameplay are awesome you don't want the awesomeness ending with "to be continued whenever its done" :D

Gief endings, gief closure with plot threads leaving me wanting more...not what recent years have done with television with end of season cliffhangers<_<

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While waiting for the next sequel you should go out and grab pain killer. Best game EVER.

You get a gun that rapid fires Shurikens, and bolts of lightning!

Plus one that fires a huge fence post at people!



Old but really good!


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Giggles_Manically wrote...

While waiting for the next sequel you should go out and grab pain killer. Best game EVER.
You get a gun that rapid fires Shurikens, and bolts of lightning!
Plus one that fires a huge fence post at people!

Old but really good!

Somebody watched zero punctuation lol

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I doubt they would touch the major characters in DA1 or even DA2 (Even if it's a pretty new overall cast) in the movie. The most logical idea to get the story across while also showcasing the world and it's history is to give it a connecting prequel type feel to Dragon Age 2, instead focusing on the things leading up to the second game while keeping away from the major players as much as possible as to not screw any continuity. You never know though, they said they have a ton of plot made going forwards and backwards, we could easily get a Calenhad story as a '20 years later, the OGB...'. A tie-in set just a little before the game seems to make the most sense though.

I don't think they would touch any romances in it to try to give some sort of finality because they have to know that would fail. You would have to introduce characters with backstories, designs, voice actors, and what have you to play the parts of 'our' PCs, and you know the RPG fans will resist that when it comes to whomever they picked in game. Some wouldn't care (I can't say it would break my heart, but I'd rather have the story in game than film), but the more purist of RPG players would riot. In short, doing something like that would just appeal to the one and done crowd, not the six months and ten playthroughs later, and even though you want to make both happy and get both to spend money, Bioware has always catered to the more hardcore of RPGers while you had Blizzard for the click-boom crowd. (And I like Blizzard, but they are hardly deep most of the time.)

As to adding another element to Dragon Age 2, I suppose RTS would make the most sense. RTS/RPG goes together like Shooter/Mass Effect I suppose. I however would rather see the idea behind Vigil's Keep taken but done right. Instead of glaringly obvious choices (Here's iron, make armor. Here's silverite, make better armor. Here's gold, we have ridiculously awesome walls now), find materials and have to make choices that don't have a glaringly obvious 'right' answer. Find some ore? Do you want to outfit a select few elites, strengthen your run of the mill man-at-arms? Perhaps spread it out over the entire force giving even the lowliest archer a chain shirt? Have stone for walls? Well, you can thicken it with no frills so it can stand up to the toughest of bastilla and ram's, or maybe you get fancy and put in murder holes which give your archers some sort of damage reduction up on the walls, or add in spots for hotpots so you can basically drop mini-fireballs on the ground in front of the tar-of-death's placement. Even choices like space in your keep for what can go where. You want merchants, a chantry, a small circle outpost, spots for Blackstone, your soldiers wing, civilians, crops, storehouses, graneries, yadda yadda, you have limited room. Do you compress as much military as you can within the keep and stretch your defensible areas outside by putting farmers and shanties outside the main walls, or do you go smaller but more robust by keeping everything centralized and defensible? And then you get attacked and these decisions really shine or cause you a lot of damage.

Adding something like that doesn't seem any more difficult than adding RTS elements to the game, but I'm unsure how 'Dragon Age' it would feel.

I just want to see them add fleets and heavy cavalry to the next game. You look back around the timeframe the setting was birthed from, ships and horses were what people worried about. So I'd be perfectly happy with them adding in a 'mini-game' of mounted combat or ship to ship dealings and call it a day.

With all that said, perhaps this is what we'll get in the movie anyways...

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Befit wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

While waiting for the next sequel you should go out and grab pain killer. Best game EVER.
You get a gun that rapid fires Shurikens, and bolts of lightning!
Plus one that fires a huge fence post at people!

Old but really good!

Somebody watched zero punctuation lol


Yah and no matter how many times I use those guns it never gets old!

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@ swoo Interesting ideas there mate, but I wonder if it would get too far into rts territory and alienate adventurers too much with these kind of tactical decisions. I'd love it but it gets dangerous to mix a sadly dying genre with one that is not doing as well as it could/should. Remember the battlezone games from the end of the 90s/ beginning of the century? Combined shooter and rts very well, got plenty of love from the reviewers and failed epically in sales. Once again the hardcore got f'd in the a :(



I think adding a layer of choice more visually represented in the game would be nice, where constrictions on your resources make you have to choose between the options available and not like in awakening or me2 where it all went on a rail almost. Your onto something here, me likes :D



Still commanding entire armies, as appealing as it sounds doesn't really belong in an rpg where your character is the main focus. Would be interesting if they could pull it off, but somehow i fear they wouldn't be able to :/

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Well the next total War game, Shogun 2 (SSSSSSSSSSSSSQQQQQQQUUUUUUUEEEE) sorry, is supposed to have a lot more RPG elements since your leader is going to be a great hero unit, and you Role Play him directly rather than as a omnipotent imperial deity. I can not wait, the alpha footage is amazing! Night Battles in a Thunderstorm with Samurai storming the walls, hells yah.



Sorry Medieval 2 and Empire were just so meh, compared to Rome or the older ones.

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Brockololly wrote...

Apologies for being a Negative Nancy, but what if BioWare kills off our Warden and gives Morrigan's story tragic closure in the anime movie? I'll just shut up now :whistle:


That's one of the things that went through my mind seeing that post about the Anime... It ties up loose ends of DA:O, one way or the other, and then DA:2 takes place.... 50 years later.

I sooooooo hope not.

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Swoo wrote...

With all that said, perhaps this is what we'll get in the movie anyways...

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*shudders*

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

I will not miss my Warden, gives me the chance to move on I guess. Video games are just for fun, I wont cry about it. Will be bummed if that happens but what can you do. Besides my only Warden who romanced her, refused the DR so I wont see a happy reunion.

I don't think anyone is going to loose any sleep over it, one way or the other. We do get passionate and we all have our preferences, but in the end, a completely different DA isn't going to change much in the big picture. 

My preference is continuance, I like my character, I like his story, I like his reputation (blight-ending bad ass), I like his companions.

I'll be disappointed if the story doesn't continue, but if they change everything, I won't be preaching doom and gloom and calling them morons, its their property and they have to go in the direction they think serves them best. I don't think it would be the right way to go, (nor becoming the company that leaves major questions unanswered forever) but they aren't making a game just for me. And if the game totally rocks, I might even consider buying (unless you're playing the baby character... no thanks lol).

That said, if it continues my character's story, I'll be there on Day One.

Modifié par Ash Wind, 08 juin 2010 - 05:29 .


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Swoo wrote...

I doubt they would touch the major characters in DA1 or even DA2 (Even if it's a pretty new overall cast) in the movie. The most logical idea to get the story across while also showcasing the world and it's history is to give it a connecting prequel type feel to Dragon Age 2, instead focusing on the things leading up to the second game while keeping away from the major players as much as possible as to not screw any continuity. You never know though, they said they have a ton of plot made going forwards and backwards, we could easily get a Calenhad story as a '20 years later, the OGB...'. A tie-in set just a little before the game seems to make the most sense though.

I don't know... one thought is, if DA:2, as some speculation suggests, goes into a completely different direction with a forced new character, new land, maybe even in a different time line... if it does go that way, wouldn't that make the characters of DA:1 expendable, for lack of a better term.
 
As the 2 novels, and DA:O suggests, they aren't shy about killing off characters, and if DA:2 cleans the slate with basically a new scenario, they may no longer need The Warden, Leliana, Alistair, etc. etc.

While they have said we probably haven't seen the last of Morrigan (chuckle) they haven't said the next time we see her will be in a game.

Modifié par Ash Wind, 08 juin 2010 - 05:51 .


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Ash Wind wrote...

I don't know... one thought is, if DA:2, as some speculation suggests, goes into a completely different direction with a forced new character, new land, maybe even in a different time line... if it does go that way, wouldn't that make the characters of DA:1 expendable, for lack of a better term.
 
As the 2 novels, and DA:O suggests, they aren't shy about killing off characters, and if DA:2 cleans the slate with basically a new scenario, they may no longer need The Warden, Leliana, Alistair, etc. etc.

While they have said we probably haven't seen the last of Morrigan (chuckle) they haven't said the next time we see her will be in a game.


Well I am looking at it from a purely monetary standpoint as to what makes the best tie-in. You make good points and could very well be completely right in your reasoning. If the movie is going to be a tie-in like the recent trend of anime/flagship game pairings have gone in the past, then the most logical thing to do is to set up the movie so it ends with the viewers wanting to play the game. It doesn't work if the movie takes place fifty years before the game, and nothing you've watched or people you've heard about aren't a part of the games plot.

What it can do very well is fill in the gaps between, say, a 5-10 year seperation between Origins and Part Deux linking them together and giving character progression to those who played Origins, while also acting as an introduction to new gamers/viewers. With the Warden or without, if they reuse any of the mid-tier to major players from DA in DA2, they are going to have history and backstory. It's a perfect way to introduce someone who didn't play Origins to information they should know.

Now, I dig on anime a bit because honestly a lot of anime I've seen has been immature crap. There have been some amazing works, and I own a few which I consider as good as any live action movie I've seen. I'm going to have to wait and see the direction and style they choose for this before throwing my lot in or against it. They say you can't judge a book by it's cover, but I'll feel reasonably safe by judging this movie by it's WIPs. If they keep a pseudo-realistic look and dark tone and don't go the silly, stupid Chibi CLOUDBUST THUNDERSTRIKE OF DOOOM bull****, I'll feel good about it. If not, ugh...please no Bioware, I hold you in a better light than that.

And my rogue just reached the DR point. It felt good saying ****** off to the 'You can't see the kid, please don't follow, and no I'm not telling you anything about this' plothammer. And NO you can't go to Loghain's room. He might have an Orleasian War March flashback and snap your neck mid-act.

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Bam! And one more stolen from a link from the Alistair page by a artist known as Smailika07:



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Swoo wrote...

Ash Wind wrote...

I don't know... one thought is, if DA:2, as some speculation suggests, goes into a completely different direction with a forced new character, new land, maybe even in a different time line... if it does go that way, wouldn't that make the characters of DA:1 expendable, for lack of a better term.
 
As the 2 novels, and DA:O suggests, they aren't shy about killing off characters, and if DA:2 cleans the slate with basically a new scenario, they may no longer need The Warden, Leliana, Alistair, etc. etc.

While they have said we probably haven't seen the last of Morrigan (chuckle) they haven't said the next time we see her will be in a game.


Well I am looking at it from a purely monetary standpoint as to what makes the best tie-in. You make good points and could very well be completely right in your reasoning. If the movie is going to be a tie-in like the recent trend of anime/flagship game pairings have gone in the past, then the most logical thing to do is to set up the movie so it ends with the viewers wanting to play the game. It doesn't work if the movie takes place fifty years before the game, and nothing you've watched or people you've heard about aren't a part of the games plot.

What it can do very well is fill in the gaps between, say, a 5-10 year seperation between Origins and Part Deux linking them together and giving character progression to those who played Origins, while also acting as an introduction to new gamers/viewers. With the Warden or without, if they reuse any of the mid-tier to major players from DA in DA2, they are going to have history and backstory. It's a perfect way to introduce someone who didn't play Origins to information they should know.

Well, one thought is that it could be both the 'very end' of DA:O and tie into DA:2, if say, in the sequel you were to play the part of the Baby Old God (I don't know about anyone else, but this is my nightmare scenario).


An Anime could offer some sense of closure for those of us who are clamoring for answers to the open-ended hook that is the DR. A tragic anime that progresses that storyline and provides details of the purpose of the DR and the child, and ends with the Warden sacrificing him or herself for the survival for Morrigan and Baby Old God, would provide that closure and bring an end to the Warden’s story.

Fast Forward 20 years: Fade in on DA2 and an aging Morrigan is sending the matured BOG off on whatever its mission ultimately proves to be.

****BUT that story only makes sense if you romanced or befriended her. I don't know, with all the variables that are available how they would even approach an Anime on the Warden post DA:O. Is the warden Male or female in the film... human, dwarf or elf... etc etc etc.

EDIT: And just for the record, No, this is not how I think or want things to play out, just offering a random thought on how things might play out.

Modifié par Ash Wind, 08 juin 2010 - 08:21 .


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I think we all agree that an anime to wrap things up for dao is just silly...Im not sure that they would have the balls to do it, they might, but would they be able to choose a canon that alientes a large fraction of the playerbase? I'm really hoping they don't do something that retarded, even if the ogb plot is the most likely path i would rather play that than watch it while the warden is referred to in some abstract way. Well anything is possible, may we burn in agony untill we know
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And btw vavle has stated that the announcement that the suprise event was hl2 ep 3 related was fake. So lets hope for hl3 xD

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heya Morriganians/Morriganites/Morriganholics .... i have updated the Kisses mod to include most Morrigan kisses. Didn't do the sexytime kisses. keep in mind they are all alpha and largely untested -- there are 86 scenes, so loading the game 86 times and going thru dialogue each time to see the kiss.. well it is a leap of faith... =) Having said that, feedback is helpful!



Right now you can only see the Morrigan+Male ones but i have finished the scenes for Morrigan+Female, just waiting to integrate it without overwriting Terra_ex's work. =)

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Works(and looks) great, aside from a small issue.

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Tip: Don't wear massive plate. It looks so much better with light armor. The benefits of being a Rogue... B)

Thank you charsen

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blademaster7 wrote...

Works(and looks) great, aside from a small issue.

Tip: Don't wear massive plate. It looks so much better with light armor. The benefits of being a Rogue... B)

Thank you charsen


Looks great, even morrigans insides seem attractive xD Ahh well clipping errors can get in the way of a lot, great work charsen :D

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And Ximena has the latest page of her Morrigan/Cousland comic up! http://ximena07.devi...llery/#/d2rdj74

Promises of OGB drama to come.....:o

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He's probably married and has 3 children by now.



I'm betting 10 sovereigns on it. :D

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Befit wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

While waiting for the next sequel you should go out and grab pain killer. Best game EVER.
You get a gun that rapid fires Shurikens, and bolts of lightning!
Plus one that fires a huge fence post at people!

Old but really good!

Somebody watched zero punctuation lol


Yah and no matter how many times I use those guns it never gets old!

Stakegun, man! Every game should have it... And every gamer must play Painkiller.
Now that you mention it, if I'd have to choose between Morrigan and stakegun, I'd choose stakegun.

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Totally unrelated note- I finally found my old Baldur's Gate 2 discs! Put that bad boy in the DVD drive and when I heard that music on the install screen= nostalgia!



Woohoo! Going to romance Viconia this time around to see the Morrigan similarities. This should keep me occupied till E3 and then some :)

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Lord Gremlin wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Befit wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

While waiting for the next sequel you should go out and grab pain killer. Best game EVER.
You get a gun that rapid fires Shurikens, and bolts of lightning!
Plus one that fires a huge fence post at people!

Old but really good!

Somebody watched zero punctuation lol


Yah and no matter how many times I use those guns it never gets old!

Stakegun, man! Every game should have it... And every gamer must play Painkiller.
Now that you mention it, if I'd have to choose between Morrigan and stakegun, I'd choose stakegun.


Yah I got a mod that allows you to stake everyone who gets hit in a long line. Shiskabobing 3 people at one is funny as hell. The other ones I got allow for bodies to stay permenantly, stakes and shurikens to remain in the wall. The Carnage is Legendary.