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[Master Shiori]

Kanner wrote...

Nice!

Has the 'You play as Morrigan's Evil God Baby in DA2' notion been discussed much? Knowing the history of the Bioware RPG teams, I would put money on this being the case. =)

I wouldn't.

The whole god child angle has been done in Baldur's Gate saga and I doubt Bioware would turn a future DA title into a remake of BG.

Most likely the god child will be an npcs in the future game, provided it actually makes an appearance at all.

On the side note: why is everyone convinced that the kid will be evil?
It's hard to come to any conclusion when we have so little knowledge about the Old Gods and Morrigan's plans.

[Kanner]

On the side note: why is everyone convinced that the kid will be evil?
It's hard to come to any conclusion when we have so little knowledge about the Old Gods and Morrigan's plans.

Good odds tho.  Especially when you consider the kid's parentage and that you're dealing with the essence of a tainted god who's first instinct apparently is to become a massive dragon and assault the world of men.

Furthermore, there's still a chance that DA2 will be farmed off to the same Black Isle/Obsidian team responsible for ruining KOTOR2, NWN2 and Lionheart.  100% chance you're playing as the empowered god-child architype then. =P

[Master Shiori]

Bioware has great plans for DA franchise, so there is no fear of them turning it over to Obsidian or some other company.



They've only done this with IP that wasn't their own, such as Star Wars and Forgotten Realms. Ad even in these cases the decision to turn Nwn and KOTOR over to another company was most likely the idea of Lucasarts and Wizards of the Coast respectively.

[Kanner]

I can't even spell archetype ryght... It's time for bed. =(

[nos_astra]

Kanner wrote...
Good odds tho.  Especially when you consider the kid's parentage and that you're dealing with the essence of a tainted god who's first instinct apparently is to become a massive dragon and assault the world of men.

Untainted! That was the point, I thought.

[Master Shiori]

klarabella wrote...

Kanner wrote...
Good odds tho.  Especially when you consider the kid's parentage and that you're dealing with the essence of a tainted god who's first instinct apparently is to become a massive dragon and assault the world of men.

Untainted! That was the point, I thought.

Indeed.

Morrigan clearly states that the whole point of DR is to bring back the Old God as he was before the darkspawn tainted him.

Old Gods weren't exactly bent on world destruction before they were imprisoned.

[bl00dsh0t]

Hehe kanner your dwelling in dangerous waters here

The only thing we know about the old gods is that they were most probably ancient dragons that the tevinters worshipped as gods. What their nature actually is is not clear and the only ones claiming to be absolutely sure that the old gods are evil is the chantry. And a religion bashing another is not something uncommon no?

And as stated earlier in the thread morrigan does state that the the child won't bear the taint after the fusion with the soul of the old god. Of course it could be a lie but what reason she could possibly have to want to preserve the archdemon? She is after the old god that became an archdemon by being tainted, and wishes for it to be reborn apart from the taint.

I think what we want to see as the morrigan nuts that we are in here is that how morrigan was treated would reflect how she raises the child, thus to some degree detirmining what role the child will play in the future. Of course its all just wishfull thinking, but ya never know what they pull out of their arses ^^

What role the OGB may have is unclear and will only be revealed by the dev's when the time comes to continue this story (if that ever happens xD) Dragon age is a game though where very little is absolutely right or wrong, for instance if you play as a human and as a dalish you will get different stories of how the exhalted march of the dales happened. The elves claim the humans started the aggretion, the humans the elves did. The entire point of the moral greyzone of DA is to show that there is no absolute truth and that everyone twists stories to make them selves look better. And of that I believe the chantry is more than capable ;D

Only 4 days and 5 hours till E3 starts and we might get to know more

[blademaster7]

bl00dsh0t wrote...
Only 4 days and 5 hours till E3 starts and we might get to know more

Sorry for being negative once again, but what if they don't announce anything at E3?

What if that 2011 date isn't a game? It could be the anime for all we know.

[Master Shiori]

blademaster7 wrote...

bl00dsh0t wrote...
Only 4 days and 5 hours till E3 starts and we might get to know more

Sorry for being negative once again, but what if they don't announce anything at E3?

What if that 2011 date isn't a game? It could be the anime for all we know.

Anime was already announced and that announcement was covered by every major gaming site.

What would be the point in doing it again at E3?

We do know there is a DA title scheduled for release in January-March period of 2011. It has been confirmed in EA's quaterly report.

What we don't know is what that project is about.
Is it an official sequal to Origins? Is it a spin-off title?

Considering it's supposed to come out on pc, consoles and handhelds we can safely rule out the posibility of it being a second expansion for Origins.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 10 juin 2010 - 12:57 .

[bl00dsh0t]

Master Shiori beat me to it

It does say in the quarterly report for EA that there are games coming. I'm pretty sure its illegal for them to lie in these things If we see anything at E3 is not confimed due to this, but it would seem like a good idea to start building hype for whatever is coming then at the worlds most important game show 8 months before release? We might not see anything at E3 but atm I would expect them to in the worst case scenario give us some information or a teaser followed up by an army of previews over the next couple of months.

Keep the hope alive boys, we need something to cry over in a weeks time after all

Edit: Found a list on 1up where they listed all the games they expected to turn up at E3 and mentioning unannounced title if they were confident something was coming for a dev. For EA they only had need for speed as rumoured and no unannounced Of course this means next to nothing unless they know things we don't... meh at least the pessimist force in me is strong today xD http://www.1up.com/d...t=1&cId=3179657

Modifié par bl00dsh0t, 10 juin 2010 - 02:01 .

[Brockololly]

bl00dsh0t wrote...

Master Shiori beat me to it

It does say in the quarterly report for EA that there are games coming. I'm pretty sure its illegal for them to lie in these things If we see anything at E3 is not confimed due to this, but it would seem like a good idea to start building hype for whatever is coming then at the worlds most important game show 8 months before release? We might not see anything at E3 but atm I would expect them to in the worst case scenario give us some information or a teaser followed up by an army of previews over the next couple of months.

Keep the hope alive boys, we need something to cry over in a weeks time after all

Edit: Found a list on 1up where they listed all the games they expected to turn up at E3 and mentioning unannounced title if they were confident something was coming for a dev. For EA they only had need for speed as rumoured and no unannounced Of course this means next to nothing unless they know things we don't... meh at least the pessimist force in me is strong today xD http://www.1up.com/d...t=1&cId=3179657

I for one will be massively disappointed if we don't hear anything about this "untitled Dragon Age game" for 2011 at E3. Like its been mentioned above, the EA quarterly reports mention the game coming in Fiscal Q4 of 2011 (January 1-March 31, 2011). So unless the game gets delayed, which is entirely possible, it makes sense that the 2/1/2011 card with Awakening refers to the mystery "untitled Dragon Age" game.

As for E3 though, if DA2 is still scheduled to ship 2/1/2011, then one would think E3 is the perfect time to unveil it at least and start the hype train for it. The fact that gaming sites and such aren't reporting on it either means it really won't be at E3 or its being kept a surprise, which is entirely possible too. While I'd love to see gameplay and the "super hot" new visuals, I'd be perfectly content with an announcement of the title and a trailer and maybe a brief synopsis.

I'm no marketing wizard but it seems par for the course now to start hyping your AAA games about a year in advance to at least let people know they're coming out and get that awareness out. Look at Dead Space 2, Gears of War 3, TOR, Bulletstorm, The WItcher 2 are all games coming out in FY Q4 2011 and all have had trailers and unveilings already.

I know ME3 isn't going to be at E3 (I think Casey Hudson said so in an interview), so that would leave TOR as the only announced BioWare game at E3. I know they'll be pushing the crap out of TOR as its cost EA a bazillion dollars to make, but I'm sort of worried BioWare is going to go the same route as Blizzard. Meaning, Blizzard was awesome with Starcraft, Diablo and Warcraft single player games but since WoW came out in 2004 thats all they've done. Sure Starcraft 2 is coming out in July, but I worry that once TOR gets up and running, most of BioWare's attention will be on TOR and either other products will suffer quality wise or we'll just see way fewer single player stuff from BioWare. Future concerns I guess...

And on the topic of StarCraft- I 've been replaying the StarCraft campaigns for the 1st time in forever and I can't shake the feeling that BioWare is going to make Morrigan into a Kerrigan type figure. Basically have her as an ally in the beginning then turn her into a villain of sorts, then as it seems Blizzard is going to do in SC2, make her into the one last hope for the galaxy. Maybe not, but that was the first thing that popped into my head after I first finished DAO and I still think they might go that route. We shall see.....

Modifié par Brockololly, 10 juin 2010 - 02:28 .

[Master Shiori]

Since DA2 has not been officialy announced yet, as far as anyone knows it doesn't exist.



That means you won't find it mentioned anywhere for E3. However, that doesn't mean Bioware and EA won't make an official announcement for it at the show.



Some time ago, when asked what the writers of ME and DA were doing now that Awakening was out and we only have DLC to look forward to in 2010, one of the devs from ME2 team said that writers are busy working on DA2.



If I really wanted to stretch these expectations to the limit, I'd also add that Fernando Melo, lead designer for Awakening, said in an interview that Morrigan played an important role in Origins and, while not present in Awakening, is going to come back at some point in the future.

Now, I know a lot of people will point out that he also said how romances are going to be acknowledged in Awakening but they actually were, even if it was only a few sentences in the epilogue.

[Master Shiori]

On the subject of Morrigan being a villain, that is indeed possible.



However, I expect her to be more like Loghain in that regard than the Archdemon or Mother.

Morrigan's actions and plans can be interpreted as good or evil, depending on the player's view of the Chantry, magic, Maker and the Old Gods.



Granted, we don't have a lot of information on these subjects at present, but Bioware isn't fond of making simple villain out of intelligent characters (as was proven by the Architect and Loghain), so I can't imagine them making Morrigan into one either.

Most likely we'll have the option of suppoting her plan or trying to stop her, which should also determine her reaction and attitude towards us.

[bl00dsh0t]

Hehe yeah both of ya are right. Another DA title is coming but the damn mmo might very well screw the rest of us bioware fans royally. Sure it has potential to perhaps take on the monster that is WOW but in so many ways I have wanted warcraft 4 and diablo 3 more... well just I have wanted them and no fkin mmo

Morrigan as kerrigan, now there's a comparison we haven't drawn yet! True it is a possebility, allthough as you said brock not a very appealing one. Good to see the speculation machine still has something new to churn out ^^ Also if that is the case handling it as shiori suggets in a loghain or architect way would please all involved: The dark fantasy morally ambigous choice to support morrigan or the "slay the b*tch that raped my allistair" approach xD Asai wouldn't be happy though since you couldn't completely ignore her then ^^

That ME3 won't be at E3 could be a good and a bad sign. Either they have an event planned to unveil DA2 and ME3 to the world or perhaps they wait for the games convention in Leipzig, germany in july: http://www.gamesconvention.com/en/

Another slight risk we face is that DA2 if it comes out in the beginning of 2011 will face off against some of the big releases of early 2011 mentioned in previous posts. They might choose to delay it to avoid taking on gears, dead space, and the inhouse competitor TOR as brock suggested :/

Ahh well ets hope we don't get TOR boned to the max next week and that we get to bask in the glory of a DA2 trailer

Modifié par bl00dsh0t, 10 juin 2010 - 02:48 .

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

Since DA2 has not been officialy announced yet, as far as anyone knows it doesn't exist.

That means you won't find it mentioned anywhere for E3. However, that doesn't mean Bioware and EA won't make an official announcement for it at the show.

Some time ago, when asked what the writers of ME and DA were doing now that Awakening was out and we only have DLC to look forward to in 2010, one of the devs from ME2 team said that writers are busy working on DA2.

If I really wanted to stretch these expectations to the limit, I'd also add that Fernando Melo, lead designer for Awakening, said in an interview that Morrigan played an important role in Origins and, while not present in Awakening, is going to come back at some point in the future.
Now, I know a lot of people will point out that he also said how romances are going to be acknowledged in Awakening but they actually were, even if it was only a few sentences in the epilogue.

Right, officially speaking the only announced project BioWare has right now is TOR, even though anyone with a working brain knows they're at least working on ME3 and another DA game too.

And yes, I remember that quote from the old ME forums on how writers were being switched over to work on DA2 and this was back in early September 2009.

As for the Melo quote regarding Morrigan, hmmm, given the quotes they gave us regarding how Awakening would work, I'm very much weary of reading too much into that. Because sure, technically speaking they acknowledged the romances in Awakening but really unless you romanced Alistair you got the shaft since all you got was a weak epilogue slide that may or may not even show up. But I don't think an epilogue slide was what people were expecting when the devs said the romances from Origins would be retained in Awakening- at least a letter or something within the game proper.

So for the devs to say we haven't seen the last of Morrigan, well, sure if you want to get into a semantics battle we might see the corpse of Morrigan or a pretty little drawing of Morrigan in DA2 and hey, after all, they said we'd see Morrigan again, right? I'd like to think they wouldn't try to do anything that stupid, but you never know- maybe they have some great Morrigan plot but it will get hacked and cut down to a one size fits all shadow of its former self in the rush to make the 2/1/2011 deadline. Who knows?

If BioWare goes with the whole Morrigan as "villain" route, I could see it playing out like your typical Darth Vader story arc. Maybe have Morrigan as a result of Ritual or Flemeth or something, "turn to the Dark Side"  and maybe you can side with her or not in DA2. Maybe even within DA2 or in DA3, she has her chance at redemption. Probably wouldn't turn out that way, but I just get the feeling that the DR might have unintended consequences...

[Brockololly]

bl00dsh0t wrote...

Hehe yeah both of ya are right. Another DA title is coming but the damn mmo might very well screw the rest of us bioware fans royally. Sure it has potential to perhaps take on the monster that is WOW but in so many ways I have wanted warcraft 4 and diablo 3 more... well just I have wanted them and no fkin mmo

Morrigan as kerrigan, now there's a comparison we haven't drawn yet! True it is a possebility, allthough as you said brock not a very appealing one. Good to see the speculation machine still has something new to churn out ^^ Also if that is the case handling it as shiori suggets in a loghain or architect way would please all involved: The dark fantasy morally ambigous choice to support morrigan or the "slay the b*tch that raped my allistair" approach xD Asai wouldn't be happy though since you couldn't completely ignore her then ^^

That ME3 won't be at E3 could be a good and a bad sign. Either they have an event planned to unveil DA2 and ME3 to the world or perhaps they wait for the games convention in Leipzig, germany in july: http://www.gamesconvention.com/en/

Another slight risk we face is that DA2 if it comes out in the beginning of 2011 will face off against some of the big releases of early 2011 mentioned in previous posts. They might choose to delay it to avoid taking on gears, dead space, and the inhouse competitor TOR as brock suggested :/

Ahh well ets hope we don't get TOR boned to the max next week and that we get to bask in the glory of a DA2 trailer

Well at least with ME3, we have no clue when thats coming out- we just know that "something far reaching" for the ME universe is supposed to come out early 2011, but I'd doubt thats ME3. I think most speculation is that ME3 would arrive late 2011 or so- basically your typical 2 year wait between sequels.

As far as competition goes, hell, I don't think BioWare would worry too much about competition- remember, they released Origins right before Modern Warfare 2, so yeah. The only other big RPG I can think of thats coming out early 2011 would be the Witcher 2 and I doubt BioWare would shuffle things around just for that. And all we know about TOR's release date is that its not coming out Fiscal 2011, so that means its coming out some time later than March 31, 2011.

Obviously though since EA is pouring gobs of money  into TOR they are going to market the hell out of that even though the DA title is supposed to come out earlier than TOR. Just seems like EA wants TOR to be a WoW Killer and if TOR fails, thats likely very bad for not only EA but BioWare too. Its a bit of a Catch 22- I have no interest in MMO's and thus no interest in TOR even though I love KOTOR. So on one hand I'd love to see TOR not do well so BioWare can focus solely on single player RPGs. Yet if TOR doesn't do well, who knows what kind of far reaching negative effects that could have on EA and BioWare as a whole and potentially muck up their ability to continue making good single player games? Yet if TOR does really well, does BioWare slowly shift focus to TOR and other MMO style stuff, a la Blizzard and cut back on single player releases?

[bl00dsh0t]

Brockololly wrote...

bl00dsh0t wrote...

Hehe yeah both of ya are right. Another DA title is coming but the damn mmo might very well screw the rest of us bioware fans royally. Sure it has potential to perhaps take on the monster that is WOW but in so many ways I have wanted warcraft 4 and diablo 3 more... well just I have wanted them and no fkin mmo

Morrigan as kerrigan, now there's a comparison we haven't drawn yet! True it is a possebility, allthough as you said brock not a very appealing one. Good to see the speculation machine still has something new to churn out ^^ Also if that is the case handling it as shiori suggets in a loghain or architect way would please all involved: The dark fantasy morally ambigous choice to support morrigan or the "slay the b*tch that raped my allistair" approach xD Asai wouldn't be happy though since you couldn't completely ignore her then ^^

That ME3 won't be at E3 could be a good and a bad sign. Either they have an event planned to unveil DA2 and ME3 to the world or perhaps they wait for the games convention in Leipzig, germany in july: http://www.gamesconvention.com/en/

Another slight risk we face is that DA2 if it comes out in the beginning of 2011 will face off against some of the big releases of early 2011 mentioned in previous posts. They might choose to delay it to avoid taking on gears, dead space, and the inhouse competitor TOR as brock suggested :/

Ahh well ets hope we don't get TOR boned to the max next week and that we get to bask in the glory of a DA2 trailer

Well at least with ME3, we have no clue when thats coming out- we just know that "something far reaching" for the ME universe is supposed to come out early 2011, but I'd doubt thats ME3. I think most speculation is that ME3 would arrive late 2011 or so- basically your typical 2 year wait between sequels.

As far as competition goes, hell, I don't think BioWare would worry too much about competition- remember, they released Origins right before Modern Warfare 2, so yeah. The only other big RPG I can think of thats coming out early 2011 would be the Witcher 2 and I doubt BioWare would shuffle things around just for that. And all we know about TOR's release date is that its not coming out Fiscal 2011, so that means its coming out some time later than March 31, 2011.

Obviously though since EA is pouring gobs of money  into TOR they are going to market the hell out of that even though the DA title is supposed to come out earlier than TOR. Just seems like EA wants TOR to be a WoW Killer and if TOR fails, thats likely very bad for not only EA but BioWare too. Its a bit of a Catch 22- I have no interest in MMO's and thus no interest in TOR even though I love KOTOR. So on one hand I'd love to see TOR not do well so BioWare can focus solely on single player RPGs. Yet if TOR doesn't do well, who knows what kind of far reaching negative effects that could have on EA and BioWare as a whole and potentially muck up their ability to continue making good single player games? Yet if TOR does really well, does BioWare slowly shift focus to TOR and other MMO style stuff, a la Blizzard and cut back on single player releases?

Indeed its a scary situation. Single player games are getting boned more and more with every year. Remember the days where the average shooter sported 20-30 hours of gametime on the first run? Today you can finish 90% of them in an afternoon. Rpg's seem to be one of the last areas where you can get games that actually take a while to finish, and seeing as I just discovered the rpg for myself with DAO I really don't want that to be cut down into sub 10 hour games where you barely remember the names of all the characters at the end.

[bl00dsh0t]

Hmm ea have announced officially what they are showing: No DA2

http://www.vg247.com...ces-e3-line-up/

[Herr Uhl]

bl00dsh0t wrote...

Hmm ea have announced officially what they are showing: No DA2

http://www.vg247.com...ces-e3-line-up/

:sadface:

[blademaster7]

bl00dsh0t wrote...

Hmm ea have announced officially what they are showing: No DA2

http://www.vg247.com...ces-e3-line-up/

I can't believe I was right earlier...

Modifié par blademaster7, 10 juin 2010 - 03:33 .

[bl00dsh0t]

Hehe yeah blade was the greatest nay sayer, sorry I can't be happy that your right xD Still they could sneak in a surprise but it is very unlikely at this point.



Ahh well as said only 1 month till the next game convention, and they could of course still announce when there is no convention on at all ^^

[Master Shiori]

bl00dsh0t wrote...

Hmm ea have announced officially what they are showing: No DA2

http://www.vg247.com...ces-e3-line-up/

Hmm

What about that DA title listed for January-March 2011 then?

If they're not going to announce it at E3 then it was probably delayed.

Can't believe we still won't get any news about new DA titles...

[Brockololly]

bl00dsh0t wrote...

Hmm ea have announced officially what they are showing: No DA2

http://www.vg247.com...ces-e3-line-up/

Also no sign of The Old Republic on that list, but its 100% definitely going to be at E3:happy:

I could be totally wrong, but the stuff on that list are games which have already been announced and will likely be their big headliners with demos and such. For something like DA2, which hasn't even been announced yet, I'm only expecting the actual announcement and maybe a trailer at E3 with maybe some sort of private gameplay footage shown at most.

And E3 is all about the big surprise announcements- EA isn't going to blow their load about secret game announcements in some crummy press release before hand, they'll wait until their big press conference Monday to unveil new stuff.

Maybe I'm just hopelessly optimistic, but E3 is all about the surprise announcements so I'm still hopeful=]

[KnightofPhoenix]

I don't know if I should be happy or sad about the news. I always thought it was too early for a sequel.

[Herr Uhl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I don't know if I should be happy or sad about the news. I always thought it was too early for a sequel.

I don't want a sequel in 2011. But I would like to know something about their plans for it.