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[Terra_Ex]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

sami jo wrote...

The devs seem irritated with the romance fans in general...

Thanks for the response on the console sami jo.  I was sure that was the case, but started wondering after reading some of the console players' posts.

Yeah, shame on us consumers.  We probably ought to just shut up, accept the products we're given, and shower Bioware with thanks and endless compliments in such "creativity" as  kicking us Morrigan romancers in the nads, huh? 

Bioware appears to like silence from their customer base.  Morrigan's romance is merely an objective demonstration of that.

Well for a game that is supposed to react to your choices, a problem like Morrigan's romance variable getting incorrectly set to "friend status" at the end of Origins and STILL not being fixed in 1.03 despite being a known and well publicised bug here on the forums is a pretty poor showing. This situation is exactly what I feared would happen with the expansion - continuity getting screwed up in Awakenings because BW "forgot" to address this issue with a patch.

These are easy fixes Bioware, setting the correct variables at the end of a conversation is hardly as taxing as tracking down the cause of crash to desktop bug introduced in 1.03. These kinds of bugs were simple to fix in the days of Baldurs Gate and they are still easy to fix now - get it sorted BioWare.

[ejoslin]

You'd be amazed at the bugs in the game regarding the Zevran romance. Down to him giving the incorrect dialog at the city gates. Or there being a problem with another one of his dialogs almost always causing a glitched screen because it would trigger in places other than camp. Both of these, not difficult solutions.  Someone who knew what they were doing should have been able to fix them in a matter of minutes.  It took me a little longer because I had no clue what I was doing.  

Really, I'm thinking that BW is not too concerned about the romance related bugs.

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 avril 2010 - 02:30 .

[blademaster7]

ejoslin wrote...
Really, I'm thinking that BW is not too concerned about the romance related bugs.

And pretty much everything else, really.

The +healing effects modifier is broken since release. It's has been brought up time and time again for 5 months. And yet they added armor runes with "+healing effects received" in Awakening. Shows you how much they care about what we have to say.

I'm starting to believe we're the beta testing team. They sell us broken, un-tested games and expect us to fix the bugs.

The devs should be embarrased by the fact that modders can fix these issues in a matter of hours.

Minor bugs like the aformentioned one can be forgotten but Morrigan's epilogue is a whole different story.

Whether you love or hate Morrigan you've got to accept the fact that numbers don't lie. Males belong in the majority of gamers and Morrigan is the most popular character(not to mention she's the face of the game). It's one of the most popular endings(if not the most popular ending overall) and yet Bioware continues to ignore the issue.

Modifié par blademaster7, 01 avril 2010 - 02:53 .

[ejoslin]

Edit: this was a pointless post.

However, I do hope you get this solved.  There are downsides to mods as they don't work on consoles.  And many are incompatible since most of the errors seem to stem from a few places.

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 avril 2010 - 03:29 .

[Barbarossa2010]

blademaster7 wrote...

I'm starting to believe we're the beta testing team. They sell us broken, un-tested games and expect us to fix the bugs.

The devs should be embarrased by the fact that modders can fix these issues in a matter of hours.

Maybe that's the their business plan.  Just leave it to the community and their mods to fix anything wrong in whatever way they want to.  Problem is, that just pretty much sucks for those of us in the console community.  We have no such access and have to just eat all the issues and be expected to smile and continue along with the franchise.

Here's how I feel BW views me as a player:  "Oh, Morrigan kicked you in the nads and then we glitched the epilgoue in the expansion to insult you further?  Oh well tough $#i+,  just keep purchasing DLC and the expansions and be a good little boy, or upgrade your PC and re-purchase the game and download mods to make the story into what you want.  So, it'll cost you another $600?  That's just really not our problem.  
Anyway, aren't our writers extraordinarily creative and isn't dark fantasy the end all be all of gaming? 
You wanna patch for your console?  Patch this..."

Like I've said, if this is all intended or unworthy of their attention, then Bioware has as about as much business doing romances in their stories as kittens have doing geometry.

BTW, a thank you to Terra Ex and ejoslin for your support from the female player side.  I know Morrigan is primarily a male player issue, but its nice to see support from others whom problems don't necessarily affect, but weigh in any way.  Much appreciated.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 02 avril 2010 - 12:12 .

[Shade of Wolf]

Are there patches available for the Xbox 360?

I did that whole Archdemon fight about 8 times (no joke) to try and get the ring epilogue about Morrigan and I eventually got it. Then I read that you could get Morrigan in the Awakening epilogue, but alas I complete the game and what happens?- The Warden 'disappears'. I was really annoyed and 'm seriously considering playing through Origins again to get the epilogue in Awakening.

Keep this thread alive!! Maybe start a poll...

[Brockololly]

FWIW, I'm currently playing through Origins again and figure this time I'm hanging on to the mirror until the post-epilogue save to see if giving Morrigan the mirror then will switch her back to "love" status. Trudging through the Deep Roads now so it may be a while...

[blademaster7]

Have fun with your game.

I can't go through origins again and roleplay a PC that romances Morrigan. I don't think I'll ever find the courage to do that again. lol

Let us know if you succeed triggering both epilogues.

[Barbarossa2010]

Shade of Wolf wrote...

Are there patches available for the Xbox 360?
I did that whole Archdemon fight about 8 times (no joke) to try and get the ring epilogue about Morrigan and I eventually got it. Then I read that you could get Morrigan in the Awakening epilogue, but alas I complete the game and what happens?- The Warden 'disappears'. I was really annoyed and 'm seriously considering playing through Origins again to get the epilogue in Awakening.
Keep this thread alive!! Maybe start a poll...

No, there are no patches for the 360 that I know of.  Of course any "patch" you do get is automatically applied...pretty much anytime you insert a game disc and you are disconnected from XBOX Live, that's when updates and patches are applied.

That said, I empathize with you having to play through 8 times to get it right.  I was pretty much in the same boat and still managed to get this wrong in the end.  It's a screwy situation, and here is how I understand it:

If you talk to Morrigan at anytime after the Gates of Denerim farewells, you will automatically be lowered from "love" to "friendly," but doing this, as long as you are wearing her ring, does give you the Epilogue where it states she feels "regret and sorrow," BUT to repeat, you are no longer lovers, only friends.

If you do not talk to her after the Gates of Denerim farewells, you will not get the "regret and sorrow" Epilogue, even if you are wearing the ring, BUT you remain "in love" with her.  Now, when you talk to Alistair or Anora in the coronation ceremony after the Archdemon fight, you are supposed to say that you are going to search for Morrigan when they ask what you are going to do.  If you do these things, you will get an Epilogue at the end of Awakening that states that you went to search for "the dark haired sorceress" that fought along side you during the Blight.

Really sort of stupid I know, but that's the deal.  You either get an Epilogue about Morrigan in Origins (where you are now friends) or in Awakenings (where supposedly you are still lovers).

BTW, the XBOX 360 has no mechanism to show you the status of "friendly" or "love" so don't bother to look.  I only know about it from the PC players on this board.

Peace

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 04 avril 2010 - 01:22 .

[Barbarossa2010]

BTW, question:

Do you have to tell Morrigan at the Gates of Denerim farewell that "I swear I will find you" to start the proper flag sequence for the the Awakening Epilogue?

I know you cannot speak with her after the farewell, I know you have to tell King Alistair or Queen Anora that you are going to search for Morrigan, but do you have to start this by telling Morrigan that you will find her at the Gates of Denerim.

Honestly, I hope not, I have a save right at the door lead to the Archdemon, which was where I decided to wait to speak to Morrigan (the foolish second time) to thank her for all she had done. I can go right from that save if I didn't have to say anything specific at the Gates of Denerim, because I know I didn't say "I swear I will find you" to her at our farewell. This would save me a lot of time if all I have to do is not talk to her before I open the door to the Archdemon.

Any help?

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 04 avril 2010 - 01:23 .

[TheBlackBaron]

What you say at the gates and at the post-coronation party doesn't matter to the best of my knowledge - they don't flip on or off any flags that would be applicable to Awakening.

EDIT: Oh, and I had a surprising moment - Morrigan wasn't upset that I decided to help the mages at the Circle Tower instead of engaging in some rampant slaughter. She had a few sharp words, of course, but I even got to end the convo it with, "You're such a loving person, Morrigan [/sarcasm off]" and avoid an approval hit. I was pretty shocked, to be honest.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 04 avril 2010 - 01:34 .

[Count Viceroy]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

EDIT: Oh, and I had a surprising moment - Morrigan wasn't upset that I decided to help the mages at the Circle Tower instead of engaging in some rampant slaughter. She had a few sharp words, of course, but I even got to end the convo it with, "You're such a loving person, Morrigan [/sarcasm off]" and avoid an approval hit. I was pretty shocked, to be honest.

She's a bit more lenient with you if her approval is high enough.

Just as sten is in haven, where he won't attack you if he's approval is high enough.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 04 avril 2010 - 04:12 .

[blademaster7]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

What you say at the gates and at the post-coronation party doesn't matter to the best of my knowledge - they don't flip on or off any flags that would be applicable to Awakening.

Correct.

I never said I'll follow her. When Alistair asked me what I was planning to do I said "I don't know we'll see". When he brought up that Morrigan mysteriously dissapeared I told him "I'm not sure I even want to" or something like that.

My eplilogue said I stayed in Denerim and after Awakening I found my self in Orlais. WTF

TheBlackBaron wrote...
EDIT: Oh, and I had a surprising moment - Morrigan wasn't upset that I decided to help the mages at the Circle Tower instead of engaging in some rampant slaughter. She had a few sharp words, of course, but I even got to end the convo it with, "You're such a loving person, Morrigan [/sarcasm off]" and avoid an approval hit. I was pretty shocked, to be honest.

Have you tried bedding Isabela with Morrigan in your party? Priceless.

She also doesn't object if you send her in the fade to save Connor. I don't know if approval has anything to do with it.

Also, if you have her ring and surrender to Ser Cauthrien she tells Eamon she can find you. RP-wise it's very fitting to let her bust you out of jail knowing that she used the ring.

So, yeah. She does have her moments.

Modifié par blademaster7, 04 avril 2010 - 09:26 .

[Terra_Ex]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

What you say at the gates and at the post-coronation party doesn't matter to the best of my knowledge - they don't flip on or off any flags that would be applicable to Awakening.

I'd have to contest this actually, from personal experience. I have a save during the Denerim siege and the response I give during the siege most definitely affects 2 things:

-Morrigan's post game status
-Whether the ring text appears in the epilogue.

Some responses lead to her retaining love status post game, some lead to friend status. Choosing not to instigate the conversation leaves her at love status and opts you out of the "ring" epilogue text.

Now, this was back when I was playing the 360 version of the game. I'll also add that odd things began occuring during the Landsmeet - Morrigan's greeting text when inside that estate always defaulted to the "What comes my friend", not sure if this was intentional or not.

As blademaster has stated earlier, if you want the "ring text" in the epilogue you automatically forego any mention of her in Awakenings - the opposite of what should be happening, and thus a run-on problem in the expansion. Alas, it seems we could erect a neon sign here on the forums stating such and the issue will still go unaddressed.

So really its the delicious irony that gets me - Morrigan's epilogue works perfectly in Awakening - in theory. By this I mean all the variable checks in Awakening are present and correct and the epilogue will trigger correctly. However since Bioware failed to address the "little issue" that her romance variables get incorrectly set at some point near the end of DA:O (I believe its the Denerim siege), players are unable to view the epilogue through normal means.

Essentially, patch 1.03 should have applied a simple fix to the Denerim siege conversation as well as searching for any save files on the player's account that had been affected (through comparing the appropriate variables on which dialogs have triggered, etc) and setting the appropriate variables to get the romance back on track for the beginning of Awakening. Sadly, Bioware has chosen to ignore this issue with DA:O, and thus has automatically locked out the very players this epilogue was intended for.

To be denied the proverbial cake at the end of a journey due to a easily addressed and longstanding bug is truly the greatest way to frustrate the player. I truly feel for the console-only players, who, through BW's continued silence, are left in constant limbo as to whether this, or any other errors will be addressed.

I don't know what kind of procedures Bioware has in place for collating bugs and addressing them, but it doesn't seem to be working. I can't understand the logic of having a piece of game content that you know will be inaccessible due to a bug players have posted time and again all over the forum. Surely, the 1.03 patch would have been the ideal time to drop in the fix. *sigh*

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 04 avril 2010 - 06:37 .

[TheBlackBaron]

blademaster7 wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...
EDIT: Oh, and I had a surprising moment - Morrigan wasn't upset that I decided to help the mages at the Circle Tower instead of engaging in some rampant slaughter. She had a few sharp words, of course, but I even got to end the convo it with, "You're such a loving person, Morrigan [/sarcasm off]" and avoid an approval hit. I was pretty shocked, to be honest.

Have you tried bedding Isabela with Morrigan in your party? Priceless.

She also doesn't object if you send her in the fade to save Connor. I don't know if approval has anything to do with it.

Also, if you have her ring and surrender to Ser Cauthrien she tells Eamon she can find you. RP-wise it's very fitting to let her bust you out of jail knowing that she used the ring.

So, yeah. She does have her moments.

Yep, I've done those. I was pleasently surprised that the game actually remembered the ring's existence when Alistair and I got hauled off to Drakon. Morrigan and Wynne for the rescuing party matches the Broma Brothers, in my humble opinion.

Also, Terra, I was referring to telling her and Alistair what you're going to do after the battle - as blademaster pointed out, you can say you've got no idea what you'll do and still wind up in Orlais.

[Shade of Wolf]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Shade of Wolf wrote...

Are there patches available for the Xbox 360?
I did that whole Archdemon fight about 8 times (no joke) to try and get the ring epilogue about Morrigan and I eventually got it. Then I read that you could get Morrigan in the Awakening epilogue, but alas I complete the game and what happens?- The Warden 'disappears'. I was really annoyed and 'm seriously considering playing through Origins again to get the epilogue in Awakening.
Keep this thread alive!! Maybe start a poll...

No, there are no patches for the 360 that I know of.  Of course any "patch" you do get is automatically applied...pretty much anytime you insert a game disc and you are disconnected from XBOX Live, that's when updates and patches are applied.

That said, I empathize with you having to play through 8 times to get it right.  I was pretty much in the same boat and still managed to get this wrong in the end.  It's a screwy situation, and here is how I understand it:

If you talk to Morrigan at anytime after the Gates of Denerim farewells, you will automatically be lowered from "love" to "friendly," but doing this, as long as you are wearing her ring, does give you the Epilogue where it states she feels "regret and sorrow," BUT to repeat, you are no longer lovers, only friends.

If you do not talk to her after the Gates of Denerim farewells, you will not get the "regret and sorrow" Epilogue, even if you are wearing the ring, BUT you remain "in love" with her.  Now, when you talk to Alistair or Anora in the coronation ceremony after the Archdemon fight, you are supposed to say that you are going to search for Morrigan when they ask what you are going to do.  If you do these things, you will get an Epilogue at the end of Awakening that states that you went to search for "the dark haired sorceress" that fought along side you during the Blight.

Really sort of stupid I know, but that's the deal.  You either get an Epilogue about Morrigan in Origins (where you are now friends) or in Awakenings (where supposedly you are still lovers).

BTW, the XBOX 360 has no mechanism to show you the status of "friendly" or "love" so don't bother to look.  I only know about it from the PC players on this board.

Peace

This is so damn annoying. I messaged EA about this and they directed me to this link:
http://help.dragonag...p?p_faqid=46540
 Hahaha (sarcasm)

Seriously, we should start a poll and get hundreds of votes for a fix or something...just provide the link on the first page..

[blademaster7]

I did a bit more testing with this. The DAO flags work just fine. The problem is that Awakening imports the wrong flag. I think I said that a hundred times already... lol. Only this time I did more expirementing... I managed to trigger both epilogues with the use of the console.

Now, according to my theory, the dialogue that drops your approval from love to friendly has two flags attached to it.

--If you're wondering, it's the "I want to talk about last night" discussion.--

First thing it does is change your approval. And second, it will show you the ring slide in the epilogue.

What I found this time is that there is an additional flag. It's something in-between love and friendly(but you just see it as friendly).

I brought up the dreaded discussion that "de-activates" the romance before the speech at the gates. Her approval changed to friendly, and then I talked to Riordan to initiate the goodbye speech.

She gave me the "love" speech even though the romance flag was not active anymore. If you have her approval at 100-Friendly without romancing her you'll get the "live gloriously my friend" speech or something like that. But instead of getting that, she called me "my love".

I was expecting her to call me friend or something like that but to my surprise the game acknowledged that there was an actual romance, and that the approval(for once) didn't matter.

So, basically, there are three flags.

1. Love - romance active
2. Friendly* - romance de-activated BUT still in love. This is what you are supposed to have during or after the final battle.
3. Friendly - Just friends

It seems that flag #2 is the correct one. The dialogue and the epilogue will reflect your romance properly. The approval is set at friendly, but the game knows that you're in the "we broke up but I still love you" zone.


Awakening recognizes the love flag and nothing else. It should recognize the second flag, but the idiot who programmed the endings completely overlooked the fact that 90% of players end up with flag #2.  If you don't have the first flag(almost no one does) it will give you #3.

So if you guys got the mention of the ring in your DAO epilogue, rest assured that you did nothing wrong. Awakening is bugged to hell.

Modifié par blademaster7, 06 avril 2010 - 03:32 .

[Arlaen]

Bioware dearest, wuold you please answer to this topic?



Kind enough question isn't it?

[Terra_Ex]

TheBlackBaron wrote...
Also, Terra, I was referring to telling
her and Alistair what you're going to do after the battle - as
blademaster pointed out, you can say you've got no idea what you'll do
and still wind up in Orlais.

Ah, ic, no problem then

blademaster7 wrote...

So, basically, there are three flags.

1. Love - romance active
2. Friendly* - romance de-activated BUT still in love. This is what you are supposed to have during or after the final battle.
3. Friendly - Just friends

It seems that flag #2 is the correct one. The dialogue and the epilogue will reflect your romance properly. The approval is set at friendly, but the game knows that you're in the "we broke up but I still love you" zone.


Awakening recognizes the love flag and nothing else. It should recognize the second flag, but the idiot who programmed the endings completely overlooked the fact that 90% of players end up with flag #2.  If you don't have the first flag(almost no one does) it will give you #3.

Hmm... that would make (a bit) more sense. Still, players are presented with a complete wtf moment when they hit postgame and it "appears" they are back in the friend zone, though I'm still not 100% convinced that this "Friendly*" flag was intentional - would it not make more sense (considering we are at the very end of the game) to simply leave it as flag 1, thus avoiding this situation completely. iirc BG2 had a single flag that represented when the romance had hit its final conclusion.

I think I'll have a look at this in the toolset myself, thanks for all the research you've done so far blademaster. And yeah, we should keep this thing bumped, we may even get a response sometime this year.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 06 avril 2010 - 06:33 .

[blademaster7]

I would rather have this bumped for the sake of letting people know that they did nothing wrong and there is no reason to replay the whole game just to get a slide that was supposed to be there.

Devs have already been emailed about it and all we got is the typical "the matter is under review" response. The issue is in the same complain box along with the dexterity bug, the incorrect dialogue of Alistair after the landsmeet and all those other "under review" bugs that exist since release.

[Brockololly]

Yeah I personally doubt that whatever expansion pack or sequel that comes next would read the last Awakening save if its needed for Morrigan's relationship status. So long as we've got the proper romance ending in Origins ( which seems to be the ring one) I'd hope that would suffice- unless Bioware decides to bollocks up the romances in DA2 or whatever they're working on next, or if we even play as the Warden again... I guess thats a discussion for another thread

[blademaster7]

Maybe we should start a huge thread and spam the place to hell *cough* Tali thread *cough* just to let the devs know that we actually do care about romance continuation.

The rumor about Leliana returning in a DLC really got me excited.

[Barbarossa2010]

blademaster7 wrote...

Maybe we should start a huge thread and spam the place to hell *cough* Tali thread *cough* just to let the devs know that we actually do care about romance continuation.

Agreed, we ought to.  I'm about half-sick of seeing the Zevran and Tali threads at the friggin' top all the time.  Don't those people have jobs?    Obsess much? The whole Morrigan romance/debacle makes both of those pale in comparison (although I haven't yet gotten to ME2 to romance Tali). 

[Brockololly]

Oh god...not the Tali-ban... I like Tali too but yeah...



In any event, the devs have gone on the record as saying Morrigan's story isn't done yet and I can only hope that means they give the Warden a chance to reunite with her- whether thats in an expansion or DA2. I personally hope its in a full fledged sequel, since it would have a bigger budget overall and likely be a more polished product than any expansion pack could ever be. I would be concerned that if they try to shove Morrigan's story into an ex-pack it would just end up feeling rushed, buggy and abridged, kind of like Awakening.

But Bioware knows all of the stats of how many people romanced who and which companions were the most popular, so hopefully in the future they actually re-use some of the actual "old favorites," unlike Awakening *cough* Oghren *cough*