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[Kryyptehk]

blademaster7 wrote...

I just reported Morrigan to Gregoir.

Good stuff! Gotta love how she burns the templars...

I don't know if I could ever betray Morrigan to the templars. She wouldn't like me anymore:(

[blademaster7]

She leaves you party if you do it.



It's still fun to do it once just to see what happens though. And then you will reload of course.

[Swoo]

Just a quick reply before I run to get some lunch (ZANKOU! How you own my soul!), but I don't think Bioware used Johnson/Katze for the in game models did they? I thought that was basically community misconception, and that it was Blur that used them for the CGI. I can see the resemblances in the CGI, in game I see absolutely nothing except maybe hair colors.



The basic Wynne is fine by me, just makes it easier for me to hate her. That Morrigan though, le Maker! That's a man, baby! (With a lazy eye to boot!)



Oh, and I expect to hear something about ME and DA at E3...just not huge reveals. I would figure near the end of summertime is when you would start getting videos and information, with it really starting to sink in near Christmas so they can get preorders snagged with late XMas gifts.

[Terra_Ex]

Brockololly wrote...

Oh its all a matter of taste, no doubt. Hell, I remember I think in February or January 09, back when Origins was supposed to come out in March 09, they released screenshots of the updated Morrigan (the vanilla one) and people were complaining how she looked too sexed up. And heck, people were complaining about Claudia Black's voiceover! For comparison's sake this video was from October 2008 and shows just how drastically Wynne and Morrigan had  makeovers- and especially Morrigan in both look and voice (skip to about 8:10 for Morrigan)

Can you imagine this being Wynne?


I like the vanilla Morrigan just fine- I think (but have no proof) that the models for Leliana and Morrigan were used very early on just to give the BioWare people an idea of something to get started with and were clearly used as models for the Sacred Ashes trailer. Yet just like with concept art, that sort of thing is used to give the designers inspiration, not necessarily a hard and fast blueprint to work from.

Thats my problem with too many face morphs- they're trying to claim that
BioWare messed up in replicating Victorria Johnson's face when that was
not their intention at all for the vanilla Morrigan- they did what fit
her character best.

Indeed Brock, from the amount of Morri/Leli facemorphs floating about you'd think Bioware had commited some terrible transgression with their finalised designs. I don't consider either of the trailers to be either significant nor representive of a character's final appearance, not least because cgi studios invariably put their own spin on things and designs iterate and evolve whilst the cgi is being created. For me, whatever Bioware chose as the final design for the shipped game defines that character's appearance.

As for that Morrigan pic Brock - words fail me, if they wanted to push everyone to go the US route, that'd be the way to do it.

Brockololly wrote...
Its just that every time I see a face morph, I'm reminded of this comic by the wonderful Aimo:

lol, Aimo really captures the many pitfalls of modding in her misadventures series

Brockololly wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Well honestly, I didn't expect anything from BW for E3 2010. We have to be honest with ourselves here, it's just too soon. DA:O was released in Nov 09 (just 8 months ago) and and ME 2 was released this past Jan (just 6 months ago). C'mon, we all know deep down inside that it's WAY too soon...BUT, there may a surprise or two!!!!

I'm all for surprises![smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie] But honestly, if BioWare is going to release a DA game in February 2011, which by all accounts there will be something in fiscal Q4 2011 per EA, then why would it be too soon for BioWare to announce it? Dead Space 2, Gears3, The Witcher 2, Bulletstorm are just a few games all coming out in the same window (fiscal Q4 2011) that have all been revealed.

And I highly highly doubt that they only started work on DA2 after November 09. The game (Origins) was basically 99% DONE by the original March 2009 PC release date and BioWare didn't do the port to consoles, Edge of Reality did. So chances are they've been working on DA2 or whatever the 2/1/2011 thing is for at least a year by now. I mean most people though it was crazy that Awakening was coming out a mere 4 months after Origins when in fact they'd been working on that for about 1 year. Its entirely possible.

ME3 on the other hand....yeah, that would seem awfully soon. SO unless they were working on both ME2 and ME3 simultaneously I don't think we'll see anything beyoned MAYBE an offical announcement or something little.

Maybe Feb 2011 is a Sacred Ashes-esque trailer for DA2 or a second expansion. I don't know... With the engine & editor fairly feature-complete from the off,
development time should be shorter and they'll have learned from their
experiences with DA:O. However If DA2 is gonna be multi-platform again and if we consider the amount of time DA supposedly spent in development (and still suffered numerous cuts across the board) I can't see them having it ready by Feb. Best to focus on other games for now and let EA & Bioware's PR have their fun.

blademaster7 wrote...

I just reported Morrigan to Gregoir.

Good
stuff! Gotta love how she burns the templars... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

You are a horrible person and Morri
will never forgive you blade, but yes- the templars got what they deserved.

[Brockololly]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Maybe Feb 2011 is a Sacred Ashes-esque trailer for DA2 or a second expansion. I don't know... With the engine & editor fairly feature-complete from the off, development time should be shorter and they'll have learned from their
experiences with DA:O. However If DA2 is gonna be multi-platform again and if we consider the amount of time DA supposedly spent in development (and still suffered numerous cuts across the board) I can't see them having it ready by Feb. Best to focus on other games for now and let EA & Bioware's PR have their fun.

The February thing could be anything, true enough. But from everything I've gathered, I can't help but think its a sequel or at least some sort of stand alone title. Like you said, they've seemingly got the foundation laid technologically and one would think that even with time to fancy up the engine, they'd be more efficient at creating content and getting the most out of it by now.

And after all, look at Awakening- it was basically a 10-20 hour game made in about a year with about 1/10th the resources of Origins ( I think Gaider mentioned that figure before). Regardless of what you thought of the expansion, I think thats a rather impressive accomplishment. Now just think what a full team and full budget could do with even more time. That being said though, if the February title is DA2 or the next big thing for DA, I'm skeptical it will be as big or as long as Origins. Probably instead of 80+ hours of content, we'll be looking at 40+, but thats just my gut feeling.

As for DA2 being slowed down because its multiplatform- that could be an issue, but again, I'd think the porting process would go better this time around as they know they're aiming for a simultaneous release. That being said, I'd be curious to know if BioWare is doing the port for DA2 or not- after all, they didn't port DAO to consoles, Edge of Reality did most of that.

*sigh* Yeah, I'm staying on the Hope Train until Monday and E3 at least. If we don't get much of anything from BioWare at E3, then I'll probably put Dragon Age out of my mind for quite a while. StarCraft 2 is coming up so yeah, that'll do nicely

[Swoo]

Well, I think we have to get some kind of Dragons Age news in E3, I just don't know if it will be DA2. I would think they would at least highlight some upcoming DLC for DA and ME to try to keep the interest level strong.



Dragon's Age had such a long development time basically over money, didn't it? Once they had that secured they moved rather quickly. I can remember seeing old screenshots using the NWN engine of Ostagar, so they probably started from scratch technically and still moved at their normal pace. Plus if they really have a two-year plan all plotted out then they have all the major bases already covered - they have the game engine, they have the game plot.



And the Morri-Morph is awesome, don't hate.

[Brockololly]

Swoo wrote...

Well, I think we have to get some kind of Dragons Age news in E3, I just don't know if it will be DA2. I would think they would at least highlight some upcoming DLC for DA and ME to try to keep the interest level strong.

Dragon's Age had such a long development time basically over money, didn't it? Once they had that secured they moved rather quickly. I can remember seeing old screenshots using the NWN engine of Ostagar, so they probably started from scratch technically and still moved at their normal pace. Plus if they really have a two-year plan all plotted out then they have all the major bases already covered - they have the game engine, they have the game plot.

I guess even if they don't announce DA2, I'd expect just to hear something about DA. EVen if its just DLC or something like you mentioned, Swoo. But at the same time, its freakin' E3- you're just going to announce a little dinky DLC and not your next big thing?

From everything I've read about DA's development, I think they started after they finished off Neverwinter Nights and the 2004 E3 screens were just sort of proof of concept type stuff for PC fans, since at that time BioWare was only making console games like KOTOR, Jade Empire and ME. I think they basically took 2-3 years just making the lore, and making the Eclipse engine before they even got in on making DAO itself. 

But I've got to think that since they've really done a lot of the heavy lifting in creating a foundation for Dragon Age and they're familiar with the lore and tech, hopefully they can pump out a sequel with the same quantity and quality as Origins (or better) in a shorter amount of time. Hopefully we see something tomorrow!

[Chuvvy]

David Gaider wrote...
The imaginary game they've built up in their head is now gone, and we're to blame-- and they won't see the next game for what it actually is until it's in their hands.

That's pretty normal. Fans have their expectations, some reasonable and some far less so, but our goal is to provide an excellent game

Understanding that your fans will have their own insane expectations and will get angry if they feel they're not getting met even though they haven't played the game and putting up with it?

You Sir. Are a God.

[Master Shiori]

Slidell505 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
The imaginary game they've built up in their head is now gone, and we're to blame-- and they won't see the next game for what it actually is until it's in their hands.

That's pretty normal. Fans have their expectations, some reasonable and some far less so, but our goal is to provide an excellent game

Understanding that your fans will have their own insane expectations and will get angry if they feel they're not getting met even though they haven't played the game and putting up with it?

You Sir. Are a God.

Insane expectations?

Based on what exactly?

Maybe on the fact that Morrigan's epilogue after DR hints that we haven't seen the last of her or the child?

Or maybe it's based on the epilogue in Awakening where the Warden goes on in search of Morrigan without the player having a say in it and we get the "his story isn't over" line.

Ofc, none of those could possibly be taken as hints of things to come in the future, oh no!
There is no reason to believe that we may encounter Morrigan again in a future DA game.

In all honestly, I find it hard to believe that David Gaider is ignorant of what was written in epilogues for Origins and Awakening, since he is the lead writer for both games.
I respect the fact that he can take DA in any direction he wants and isn't obliged to give us the story that we desire, but I honestly doubt he'd write such an epilogue if he truly didn't plan to continue the story of Warden and Morrigan.
 
It would have, after all, been so much simpler not to write those lines and leave the fans guessing, rather than hint at thing that may come and thus build expectations.

[GardenSnake]

Master Shiori wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
The imaginary game they've built up in their head is now gone, and we're to blame-- and they won't see the next game for what it actually is until it's in their hands.

That's pretty normal. Fans have their expectations, some reasonable and some far less so, but our goal is to provide an excellent game

Understanding that your fans will have their own insane expectations and will get angry if they feel they're not getting met even though they haven't played the game and putting up with it?

You Sir. Are a God.

Insane expectations?

Based on what exactly?

Maybe on the fact that Morrigan's epilogue after DR hints that we haven't seen the last of her or the child?

Or maybe it's based on the epilogue in Awakening where the Warden goes on in search of Morrigan without the player having a say in it and we get the "his story isn't over" line.

Ofc, none of those could possibly be taken as hints of things to come in the future, oh no!
There is no reason to believe that we may encounter Morrigan again in a future DA game.

In all honestly, I find it hard to believe that David Gaider is ignorant of what was written in epilogues for Origins and Awakening, since he is the lead writer for both games.
I respect the fact that he can take DA in any direction he wants and isn't obliged to give us the story that we desire, but I honestly doubt he'd write such an epilogue if he truly didn't plan to continue the story of Warden and Morrigan.
 
It would have, after all, been so much simpler not to write those lines and leave the fans guessing, rather than hint at thing that may come and thus build expectations.

True, too true. Hey look at the bright side guys, we get another badass TOR trailer tomorrow. We get to see why that ugly sith **** has that mask! (According to GT TV that's one of the themes of the new trailer) And what's cooler? We get to see some awesome republic troops take down his sith platoon! (well, that's speculation, but the troops being in the trailer are confirmed) Hopefully that sith guy gets his ass kicked. Screw the Sith! Republic and Jedi represent!!!! *cue awesome rap music in background*  ...... man, I'm so white. I'll just stick to Rock n' Roll. Rolling Stones and Greenday here I come!

[Giggles_Manically]

I signed up for the Beta and really want to play it when it comes out so here is to hoping TOR can live up to its legend.

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

In all honestly, I find it hard to believe that David Gaider is ignorant of what was written in epilogues for Origins and Awakening, since he is the lead writer for both games.
I respect the fact that he can take DA in any direction he wants and isn't obliged to give us the story that we desire, but I honestly doubt he'd write such an epilogue if he truly didn't plan to continue the story of Warden and Morrigan.
 
It would have, after all, been so much simpler not to write those lines and leave the fans guessing, rather than hint at thing that may come and thus build expectations.

Yeah, I think the question is just whether the ambiguous epilogues were done that way as a hook that will be followed up in the next game or merely as a means to not close off potential future stories prematurely. BioWare did it with Neverwinter Nights with the whole "And what of the honored champions who had fought so hard while others fell? Their story does not end here. For this is a world of infinite tales...New adventures still await andnew legends are yet to be forged." Of course the PC from Neverwinter Nights was never heard from again, yet maybe the epilogue there kind of refers to the multiplayer in Neverwinter Nights...

But one thing I was thinking about with Morrigan as it relates to Neverwinter Nights is Aribeth. Having not played any of the Neverwinter games, my facts may be wrong, but my impression from what I've read is that you can at least become friendly with Aribeth in NWN, then she becomes "evil" and at the end you have the choice to sort of redeem her. Then she turns up again in the ex-pack Hordes of the Underdark as a ghost type thing having died, and is romanceable with the new PC.

I'm just thinking that with Morrigan, maybe our Wardens never see her again, but some other hero (sort of like NWN with Aribeth) does and from that meeting we'll piece together what has happened in the interim. That would suck, but it seems they've laid the groundwork for that sort of thing in NWN.

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...



Yeah, I think the question is just whether the ambiguous epilogues were done that way as a hook that will be followed up in the next game or merely as a means to not close off potential future stories prematurely. BioWare did it with Neverwinter Nights with the whole "And what of the honored champions who had fought so hard while others fell? Their story does not end here. For this is a world of infinite tales...New adventures still await andnew legends are yet to be forged." Of course the PC from Neverwinter Nights was never heard from again, yet maybe the epilogue there kind of refers to the multiplayer in Neverwinter Nights...

The thing is that NWN wasn't Bioware's property and as such they probably didn't know how many expansions or sequals they'll be able to produce.

With Dragon Age I think they at least have a rough idea of which stories they want to tell and as such probably know whether or not they'll ever use the Warden again. If that is true then they could have given closure to Warden's story in Awakening, rather then leave it hanging. Unless, ofc, they actually do want to continue his/her story in future titles.

Brockololly wrote...
But one thing I was thinking about with Morrigan as it relates to Neverwinter Nights is Aribeth. Having not played any of the Neverwinter games, my facts may be wrong, but my impression from what I've read is that you can at least become friendly with Aribeth in NWN, then she becomes "evil" and at the end you have the choice to sort of redeem her. Then she turns up again in the ex-pack Hordes of the Underdark as a ghost type thing having died, and is romanceable with the new PC.

I'm just thinking that with Morrigan, maybe our Wardens never see her again, but some other hero (sort of like NWN with Aribeth) does and from that meeting we'll piece together what has happened in the interim. That would suck, but it seems they've laid the groundwork for that sort of thing in NWN.

You actually have Aribeth falling in love with your character by te end of original NWN game. And then, when you finally see her again, it's with a new pc that has no clue about the events of the original game and he is the one who gets a "happy end" with her... 

Personally, I believe we'll see Morrigan again and discover what her plan is, but it won't be with our Warden from Origins. 
May Bioware prove me wrong on that second part...

[Ash Wind]

Master Shiori wrote...
Insane expectations?

Based on what exactly?

Maybe on the fact that Morrigan's epilogue after DR hints that we haven't seen the last of her or the child?

Or maybe it's based on the epilogue in Awakening where the Warden goes on in search of Morrigan without the player having a say in it and we get the "his story isn't over" line.

Ofc, none of those could possibly be taken as hints of things to come in the future, oh no!
There is no reason to believe that we may encounter Morrigan again in a future DA game.

In all honestly, I find it hard to believe that David Gaider is ignorant of what was written in epilogues for Origins and Awakening, since he is the lead writer for both games.
I respect the fact that he can take DA in any direction he wants and isn't obliged to give us the story that we desire, but I honestly doubt he'd write such an epilogue if he truly didn't plan to continue the story of Warden and Morrigan.
 
It would have, after all, been so much simpler not to write those lines and leave the fans guessing, rather than hint at thing that may come and thus build expectations.

You sir, are being Myopic!

At this stage of the game, I wouldn't get too worked up about what DG says in the forms. Unfortunately, like the post quoted, if you don't say Thank You and Whatever you do is Awesome because sir, you are a God (no, he's not even close), the reponses are oft times condescending and and borderline offensive. Maybe he has mistaken the DA fanbase with a group of ten-year olds he can consistantly talk down to.

Everyone who does not always do the US ending, and therefore has done the DR in some way shape or form, has a right to make the observation that the current story is not complete.

If you romanced Morrigan and received the DA:O and Awakening epilogues, you would be both MYOPIC and INSANE not to at the very least, see the glaring story posibilities... even if a continuance never sees the light of day.

[Master Shiori]

Ash Wind wrote...

You sir, are being Myopic!

To be honest I don't think me meant to say that anyone who expects to see Morrigan or the Warden again is myopic.
Rather, people who claim that they could never enjoy another DA title if it doesn't feature Morrigan or the Warden are being myopic.
I agree that not seeing how Morrigan's story play out or getting a closure to the Warden's story would disappointing, but I don't consider that a reason to refuse to enjoy future DA titles. Especially if those titles turn out to be great games.

Ash Wind wrote...
At this stage of the game, I wouldn't get too worked up about what DG says in the forms. Unfortunately, like the post quoted, if you don't say Thank You and Whatever you do is Awesome because sir, you are a God (no, he's not even close), the reponses are oft times condescending and and borderline offensive. Maybe he has mistaken the DA fanbase with a group of ten-year olds he can consistantly talk down to.

People like the poster above seem to think that ass kissing will get them bonus points with Bioware staff.

Personally, I think David Gaider would rather receive constructive feedback, even if that feedback is a critique of his work, then be told "You, sir, are awesome!!"
Sure, the second response is nice to hear, but it does nothing to help him improve his future work.

The times when he actually was condescending was when replying to people who seem to complain just for the sake of complaining, while not giving back any relevant information. Often they even go so far as to throw out personal insults.
While people in this thread have ceirtain expectations from future Dragon Age games, based on their love of Morrigan and on the game epilogue, I'd like to believe we've always expressed those desires in a mature and civilized manner.

I'm sure David Gaider at least respects our opinions, even if he may not be willing to grant us exactly what we want.

Ash Wind wrote...
Everyone who does not always do the US ending, and therefore has done the DR in some way shape or form, has a right to make the observation that the current story is not complete.

If you romanced Morrigan and received the DA:O and Awakening epilogues, you would be both MYOPIC and INSANE not to at the very least, see the glaring story posibilities... even if a continuance never sees the light of day.

I'm sure he's well aware of the potential that Morrigan's story has. He was, after all, the one who created her character.

Whether or not he believes that Morrigan's story needs to be tied to the Warden beyond Origins is a different question.

There is certainly a potential for emotional payoff in their reunion, even if they parted on bad terms.

[Giggles_Manically]

She was really angry with my Dwarf Noble for turning down the dark ritaul, so If we did meet again I am not so sure she would be happy to see him. Also I pawned off the ring, so dude in Amaranthine has it now.

[Master Shiori]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

She was really angry with my Dwarf Noble for turning down the dark ritaul, so If we did meet again I am not so sure she would be happy to see him. Also I pawned off the ring, so dude in Amaranthine has it now.

Morrigan disapproves -50 

[Giggles_Manically]

Master Shiori wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

She was really angry with my Dwarf Noble for turning down the dark ritaul, so If we did meet again I am not so sure she would be happy to see him. Also I pawned off the ring, so dude in Amaranthine has it now.

Morrigan disapproves -50 

Why she had to tell the Warden I do not know, it would have been a lot better if she just had sex through the ritual and tricked Wardens romancing her. Or If alistair was hardened he would do it if you didnt talk to him.

Could have been, but then some people would go bannanas at that. Or does the ritual require consent I wonder?

[Master Shiori]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

She was really angry with my Dwarf Noble for turning down the dark ritaul, so If we did meet again I am not so sure she would be happy to see him. Also I pawned off the ring, so dude in Amaranthine has it now.

Morrigan disapproves -50 

Why she had to tell the Warden I do not know, it would have been a lot better if she just had sex through the ritual and tricked Wardens romancing her. Or If alistair was hardened he would do it if you didnt talk to him.

Could have been, but then some people would go bannanas at that. Or does the ritual require consent I wonder?

It's a form of blood magic, so I guess she had to do a lot more than just get you into bed.

It probably involved some sort of preparation and magic stuff that you had to participate in, so tricking you would have been well... tricky.

[blademaster7]

Surely you would suspect something when she starts casting spells on your manhood, right?

[Brockololly]

blademaster7 wrote...

Surely you would suspect something when she starts casting spells on your manhood, right?

Hahaha

Warden: Ummm... why is my junk glowing?
Morrigan: Oh, uh nevermind that, tis nothing at all....

---Cut to epilogue----

"And the Hero of Ferelden mysteriously disappeared never to be heard from again. Rumor has it he was searching for a black haired sorceress who gave him one nasty Chasind STD. But these are tales left to be told!"

And woohoo, only 23 hours till EA's conference!

[Ash Wind]

Master Shiori wrote...

Ash Wind wrote...

You sir, are being Myopic!

To be honest I don't think me meant to say that anyone who expects to see Morrigan or the Warden again is myopic.
Rather, people who claim that they could never enjoy another DA title if it doesn't feature Morrigan or the Warden are being myopic.
I agree that not seeing how Morrigan's story play out or getting a closure to the Warden's story would disappointing, but I don't consider that a reason to refuse to enjoy future DA titles. Especially if those titles turn out to be great games.

To be honest, the Myopic part was simply a joke. Chill.

And as to the rest, we can agree to disagree. There is no law that says he has to deal with whiners and complainers at all, however the impression I have is he doesn't just smackdown the whiners and complainers, he tends to be condenscending to some who make a point contrary to his own. They always don't 'Understand' what is involved... or they 'demand' only one outcome. Lumping them into one crazy group or the other so they are easily dismissed. It could never just be... I just didn't care for the Awakening dialogue system.  

And of course he knows the potential storylines, his ignorance to those was never in dispute. My point is he cannot complain about gamers expectations, when he helped in creating those expectations. Whether its books, movies... anything with a story, people have come to expect a conclusion, though not all literature has defined ending, the fact of the matter that most of it does. 

With the epilogues created, they might as well have just said To Be Continued... And if its not continued, that's their right, however those who hoped for a continance will have every right to **** and moan about it, even if he thinks that moaning is unjustified... or are just the insane expectation crowd.

Modifié par Ash Wind, 13 juin 2010 - 11:45 .

[Brockololly]

Ash Wind wrote...

With the epilogues created, they might as well have just said To Be Continued... And if its not continued, that's their right, however those who hoped for a continance will have every right to **** and moan about it, even if he thinks that moaning is unjustified... or are just the insane expectation crowd.

Right- its likely hard for the developers to see DA with fresh eyes after working in that world for so long. So of course writers like Gaider and the other devs might know the whole picture of what is to come, yet we have no clue. All we have to go on as to what the future may hold is what we've been given thus far. Some of that speculation may seem crazy to the devs as they likely know what is actually going to happen, but we don't, so we're just making our own imaginary DA2 in our heads in the absence of any info from BioWare. And inevitably when we do get that hard info, it likely won't all mesh with what BioWare has actually created, thus creating mass wailing and gnashing of teeth.

But as far as the epilogues go- its not a crazy expectation at all given how they end to expect continuity with the PC. Of course there are different shades of continuity, ranging from keeping the PC but adopting certain canon choices or trying to go the ME route and track almost everything. I think most of the "crazy" expectations come from the few that think every little choice should be tracked and if its not present in DA2, BioWare would have raped and pillaged everything good in the world. 

Most reasonable people however, I think, see the epilogues and the endgame for Origins and think that there exists a pretty good plot hook and a pretty ambiguous epilogue that blatantly suggests more adventures with the PC and companions. So to expect some carry over to the next game isn't crazy but quite reasonable. If the writers didn't expect that sort of reaction given the epilogues they wrote, well then I'd say they misjudged many gamers out there.

[Swoo]

But one thing I was thinking about with Morrigan as it relates to Neverwinter Nights is Aribeth....and is romanceable with the new PC.

You didn't miss much with NWN. It was fun if you and some friends wanted to make modules and play actual games together, but stand-alone they were rather weak if you had actually played any of the RPGs that came out a few years prior. But yes, they did the whole romance thing with her, and then a few expansions later with a new PC re-introduced her in Hell. The quality and depth of the romance was nothing like given to us in BG or DA, it was honestly a watered down Bastila Shan romance, and I'd be stunned if they took such a cheap route with a much more invested NPC.

And check this out, I don't know if it's supposed to be the OGB or young Morrigan, but it's one of them as a young kid amusing themselves out in the boondocks of Thedas. It's a cute picture.

[ximena]

It's little Morri playing tea with the wilds.


Colored version here