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[TheBlackBaron]

I'm still expecting the February 2011 date to be a robust Throne of Baal-style expansion, if DA2 does indeed go in a different direction.

EDIT: Also, do not speak of the Tali-ban. I'm certain they've got some sort of program that detects any usage of words related to Tali, so that they might seek them out. They will be drawn to you like a knife to a Jory.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 07 avril 2010 - 12:12 .

[ejoslin]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

Maybe we should start a huge thread and spam the place to hell *cough* Tali thread *cough* just to let the devs know that we actually do care about romance continuation.

Agreed, we ought to.  I'm about half-sick of seeing the Zevran and Tali threads at the friggin' top all the time.  Don't those people have jobs?    Obsess much? The whole Morrigan romance/debacle makes both of those pale in comparison (although I haven't yet gotten to ME2 to romance Tali). 

First of all, why do you care?  The conversation in the Zevran thread goes all over the place.  Why does it bug you?  Second of all, if our huge threads had ANY bearing on bugs being fixed, they would be fixed.  The bugs in the Zevran romance range from incorrect epilogue cards (which is an issue that has been known about since before the game was released) to Zevran giving the wrong dialog at the City Gates to conversations that fire at the wrong times leading to glitches that require reloads.  Trust me when I tell you the devs aren't going to care if you have a huge thread. 

Edit: Sorry if this is harsh, but you've started a thread over Awakening having a bugged epilogue, and then somehow shift to our very long Zevran thread which is mainly a bunch of people chatting.  Well, we've been dealing with far worse bugs since the game launched.  

I still wish you luck getting it fixed, but having long threads or complaining about other people's long threads will not fix your problem.  I wish the Zevran romance only had a bugged epilogue as a problem, to be honest.  Especially since the fix took me under a minute to implement but doesn't help those on consoles.

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 avril 2010 - 12:57 .

[Barbarossa2010]

@ejoslin,

No harm or disrespect intended. 

I, (and others I presume), are really just jealous that your pet peeve is so much better attended than ours. 

Can't you see the deep green of envy in my eyes?  Take it all as a compliment.  We only wish we were more like your community.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 07 avril 2010 - 01:10 .

[ejoslin]

I feel for you, I really do. I get so frustrated at the bugs in the Zevran romance. They are so bad, and so easily fixed, yet bugs that have been in the game since Origins launched have to be fixed by modders. In our incredibly long Zevran thread, David Gaider posted and someone told him about the bug in the epilogue cards. DG said it was an unfortunate bug. This was a couple of months ago. Two patches ago.

I fixed that bug today when I learned it still hadn't been fixed (it doesn't affect females wardens). It took me less than a minute.

So I wish you luck, but don't hold your breath.

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 avril 2010 - 01:22 .

[Barbarossa2010]

Honestly, I think they do it on purpose. Look how much effort is expended from the community in venting on these stupid romance issues. They have data somewhere that says this legitimately builds demand. The proof is in the pudding. The community keeps coming back for more and BW (or EA) continues to have bugs and not fix them. Hmmmmm.



Like you said, it can be fixed in under a minute, but nothing is done to address any of these issues with an official patch.

[ejoslin]

You could be right. The fixes I have done didn't take very long -- they could have and should have been addressed. Really, had they put one programmer on each companion and given them a week for a final QA check, just going over the code, a lot of problems could have been avoided.

Unfortunately, the latest patch, 1.03, introduced at least one more glitch to Zevran (one I can't fix), and fixed none of the already existing ones (most of which, fortunately, I could).

But this probably isn't the place to vent about this! Sorry for hijacking your thread!

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 avril 2010 - 01:41 .

[Isavald]

I went back (On PS3) finished Origins, did not have the break up convo, still got the ring epilogue, played through Awakening, got the leaves to find Morrigan epilogue as well.

<< Happy camper. 

[blademaster7]

Umm guys... you missed my point.

By "romance support" thread I didn't mean a complain thread like this one.

What I had in mind is a new thread with a well written OP where we could discuss the romance in a civilized manner. I tried to use the Tali thread as an example but it failed... lol

This is the one and only Morrigan topic that is currently active. Instead of speculating about her plans, or commenting on her hilarious responses to your flirting, we're complaining about the bugged epilogue.

The last topic was terrible iirc. It ended in a flame war. Must be because I was ****ing about my ending I promise I'll do better this time.

Modifié par blademaster7, 07 avril 2010 - 07:49 .

[Master Shiori]

blademaster7 wrote...

Umm guys... you missed my point.

By "romance support" thread I didn't mean a complain thread like this one.

What I had in mind is a new thread with a well written OP where we could discuss the romance in a civilized manner. I tried to use the Tali thread as an example but it failed... lol

This is the one and only Morrigan topic that is currently active. Instead of speculating about her plans, or commenting on her hilarious responses to your flirting, we're complaining about the bugged epilogue.

The last topic was terrible iirc. It ended in a flame war. Must be because I was ****ing about my ending I promise I'll do better this time.

I fully support this idea.

With enough people posting it just might move Bioware to action (here's to hoping...).

[Shade of Wolf]

blademaster7 wrote...

I did a bit more testing with this. The DAO flags work just fine. The problem is that Awakening imports the wrong flag. I think I said that a hundred times already... lol. Only this time I did more expirementing... I managed to trigger both epilogues with the use of the console.

Now, according to my theory, the dialogue that drops your approval from love to friendly has two flags attached to it.

--If you're wondering, it's the "I want to talk about last night" discussion.--

First thing it does is change your approval. And second, it will show you the ring slide in the epilogue.

What I found this time is that there is an additional flag. It's something in-between love and friendly(but you just see it as friendly).

I brought up the dreaded discussion that "de-activates" the romance before the speech at the gates. Her approval changed to friendly, and then I talked to Riordan to initiate the goodbye speech.

She gave me the "love" speech even though the romance flag was not active anymore. If you have her approval at 100-Friendly without romancing her you'll get the "live gloriously my friend" speech or something like that. But instead of getting that, she called me "my love".

I was expecting her to call me friend or something like that but to my surprise the game acknowledged that there was an actual romance, and that the approval(for once) didn't matter.

So, basically, there are three flags.

1. Love - romance active
2. Friendly* - romance de-activated BUT still in love. This is what you are supposed to have during or after the final battle.
3. Friendly - Just friends

It seems that flag #2 is the correct one. The dialogue and the epilogue will reflect your romance properly. The approval is set at friendly, but the game knows that you're in the "we broke up but I still love you" zone.


Awakening recognizes the love flag and nothing else. It should recognize the second flag, but the idiot who programmed the endings completely overlooked the fact that 90% of players end up with flag #2.  If you don't have the first flag(almost no one does) it will give you #3.

So if you guys got the mention of the ring in your DAO epilogue, rest assured that you did nothing wrong. Awakening is bugged to hell.

So you can or can't get both epilogues...........sorry I'm really confused

[blademaster7]

Without the use of unorthodox methods? No, you can't get both epilogues.



I don't know about PS3 players but the epilogue is bugged for PC and xbox360.

[Sabriana]

Wait, what? I'm playing my very first malePC ever, just because I'm curious about the Morrigan romance. That shows how intriguing I find her character, btw.

Are you saying that there is a possibility that Morrigan stops being in love just like that, like a snap of the fingers? Eeep. I thought she stayed in love but leaves for some reason. I'm confused too....

[blademaster7]

Nothing wrong with her romance in origins(well, technically speaking).



Awakening just won't recognize it in most cases.

[Sabriana]

But she more or less can "fall out of love" without any reason? Sheesh, I have to go rummage through the toolset, I guess. I wanted to avoid that, but I don't want her to stop being in love with my dalish. He deserves better, he's a good guy. And my one and only male in any game, ever.

[Isavald]

blademaster7 wrote...

Without the use of unorthodox methods? No, you can't get both epilogues.

I don't know about PS3 players but the epilogue is bugged for PC and xbox360.

I finished Origins and Awakening on the same character over twice, I didn't even know there was a Morrgian epilogue for Awakening until seeing this thread.

Originally I had the break up convo with her in Origins and didn't get that epilogue in Awakening. So I went back to Origins, skipped the convo, mentioned I was going to look for her and replayed Awakening.

I got both the Ring epilogue at the end of the Origins and the Searching for Morrigan epilogue in that second attempt.

[blademaster7]

^ Is that for PS3? Good to know it worked fine.

Can we get more PS3 players to report their endings? I'm curious now...

Sabriana, since you are playing on PC you can easily rectify it. If you want to get the slide with the ring in your epilogue then you'll have to talk to her before reaching the archdemon(assuming you got her ring of course). That's what causes the approval change. But once you get to the post-epilogue save you can use the console to get it back to "love".

Modifié par blademaster7, 07 avril 2010 - 02:08 .

[Sabriana]

Thanks Blade.

That's good to know. I plan on saving him and take him into Awakening (when I get it). He's the only one I will import, because I absolutely hate what they did to my femWardens LI. They are done, their story is finished, and they are rebuilding the GWs with a certain someone.

My dalish 2H berserker will have no reason to be upset about his LI not being there. Morrigan's absence is the only one that makes sense so far.

Yes, you read that right. An elven 2H berserker. I like challenges, so stop laughing at me

And who knows, by then they might have even fixed the issue. Yeah, yeah, I know. I tend to be over-optimistic at times.

[soignee]

Sabriana wrote...

Thanks Blade.
That's good to know. I plan on saving him and take him into Awakening (when I get it). He's the only one I will import, because I absolutely hate what they did to my femWardens LI. They are done, their story is finished, and they are rebuilding the GWs with a certain someone.
My dalish 2H berserker will have no reason to be upset about his LI not being there. Morrigan's absence is the only one that makes sense so far.
Yes, you read that right. An elven 2H berserker. I like challenges, so stop laughing at me
And who knows, by then they might have even fixed the issue. Yeah, yeah, I know. I tend to be over-optimistic at times.

Hello, are you me? That was my Mahariel  He was angry all the damn about DAMN SHEMS and fell in love with Morrigan. It worked

[EmperorSahlertz]

I don't think it is a result of a bug as much as a victim of circumstances. By speaking to Morrigan after the ritual you revert to (Friendly) instead of (Love) which confuses the game to think you didn't run the romance with Morrigan.



If Morrigan is at (Love) in the load you use or if you pciked the ending where you go to follow her, you get the correct epilogue card in Awakening, at least in all my tries.

[Sabriana]

Hehe, maybe they're related, Soignee.

I wonder if I can pester the Morrigan crowd about her romance while playing. I hope so. I've never romanced either woman (and I won't romance Leliana - ever. Sorry. Nothing personal.), so I'm in pretty unknown territory. Morrigan seems like a complex and interesting woman. She called my dalish "little man". I almost fell out of my chair laughing.

[blademaster7]

You don't even need to follow her after DAO. If the approval is set at "love" your Awakening epilogue will tell you that you traveled to Orlais. lol

My DAO epilogue said that my PC stayed in Denerim. He was a famous figure among people and he often visited the court.

Sabriana. I wonder if that's exclusive to elfs. I think she called my HN "silly man"

I reloaded for all the dialogue so I don't quite remember when she says it.

[Terra_Ex]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

Maybe we should start a huge thread and spam the place to hell *cough* Tali thread *cough* just to let the devs know that we actually do care about romance continuation.

Agreed, we ought to.  I'm about half-sick of seeing the Zevran and Tali threads at the friggin' top all the time.  Don't those people have jobs?    Obsess much? The whole Morrigan romance/debacle makes both of those pale in comparison (although I haven't yet gotten to ME2 to romance Tali). 

lol, Barbarossa, considering your strong feelings regarding the Morrigan romance ending, you should be very careful with Morinth in ME2.

Brockololly wrote...

In any event, the devs have gone on
the record as saying Morrigan's story isn't done yet and I can only hope
that means they give the Warden a chance to reunite with her- whether
thats in an expansion or DA2. I personally hope its in a full fledged
sequel, since it would have a bigger budget overall and likely be a more
polished product than any expansion pack could ever be.

Yep, but I mean, we've been asking BW for several months now - "is this the way the romance is supposed to end", and to my knowledge there's been no comment.


It's definitely important that fans of all romance options maintain their individual threads pushing to get the various issues fixed, (and in the case of PC fans producing fixes) as a DA fan I would like to see the game in as bug-free form as possible, and this includes all possible romanceable partners. At the end of the day, its all game content, and eventually I hope to get around to experiencing all of it.

Brockololly wrote...


I would be
concerned that if they try to shove Morrigan's story into an ex-pack it
would just end up feeling rushed, buggy and abridged, kind of like
Awakening.

But Bioware knows all of the stats of how many people
romanced who and which companions were the most popular, so hopefully in
the future they actually re-use some of the actual "old favorites,"
unlike Awakening *cough* Oghren *cough*

All continuations of the romances should be saved for DA2, imo - especially Morrigan's for the obvious plot potential. EA will keep far too tighter rein on BW for them to deliver an expansion pack of the style/length/quality of Throne of Bhaal.

blademaster7 wrote...
This is the one and only Morrigan topic
that is currently active. Instead of speculating about her plans, or
commenting on her hilarious responses to your flirting, we're
complaining about the bugged epilogue.

Well, the conversation always tends to drift that way since we never get any answers. You have the abrupt way the romance ends, coupled with the apparent reversion to friend status in the postgame, so when people come to the forums to discuss Morrigan they're usually pretty upset. I do enjoy Barbarossa's fantastically worded diatribes on his issues with the romance, though I share his pain.

On a somewhat related note, I guess the existence of this Friendly* flag could point to BW's intent to continue the romance in the future, here's hoping.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 07 avril 2010 - 04:10 .

[ejoslin]

Morrigan should have the "still in love" flag at that point, and there probably is a screw up in the scripts somewhere. They may have the "morrigan in an active romance or still in love" condition looking at the "morrigan in an active romance" flag only. There are quite a few mistakes like this in the Alistair and Zevran scripts, so no reason to think they're not in the Morrigan scripts as well. I'm too apathetic to check the Morrigan ones right now, but it wouldn't surprise me if the problem were that simple.

[Shade of Wolf]

blademaster7 wrote...

Without the use of unorthodox methods? No, you can't get both epilogues.

I don't know about PS3 players but the epilogue is bugged for PC and xbox360.

Damn! Thanks anyway

[Shade of Wolf]

So can we ever expect a fix?! Ever?!