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[Master Shiori]

So, us Morri fans get the short end of the stick?



What else is new?

[Ash Wind]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

While I am loving the comic so far, what would you guys do if they just dropped the entire Warden story and moved on. Would that put you off from playing DA2, or would you get over it and play it?
I am in the middle on it so far, but I am waiting to see what will happen.

I'm all for a continuance, but if that is not an option, it all depends on how they do it. Although, even then, they set me up for a continuance in DA:O, if they don't deliver on it, why should I trust them not to set me up with yet another scenario that piques my interest and forces me to make a hard choice, but leaves me, or more importantly my character(s) high and dry without an answer.

An unsatisfactory answer to the DR would be learning every facet and repercussion of the Dark Ritual... as a completely different character. I have character(s) I like that had an active part in the DR (quite active actually lol), THAT character needs to uncover the mystery that is, and deal with any repercussions thereof, the Dark Ritual.

But that may not be an option.

I could accept being forced into a Completely New PC if, it has little, if any, connection to DA:O. A new adventure in a new land is fine. But, given DA:O and its incomplete ending, its going to have to be one completely helaciously awesome game for BW to get me again. And all reviews of the game had better make mention of a COMPLETE ending this time around.

Less interested:  A new character where old companions, especially Morrigan, are recruitable and or romancable. I mean, this would be the epitome of lame in my book. I have already romanced them. Why would I want to do it again as a 'pretend' stranger? I already know them intimately and would only be waiting for the right line of dialogue to appear to exploit that.  

Playing the character born with the soul of an old god...? Maybe my persepective will change over time but as of this moment, I have next to no interest in playing one of my Character(s) children.

No middle ground for me. I say continuance in all its unrealistic expectation and myopic glory.

Modifié par Ash Wind, 19 juin 2010 - 05:16 .

[Ash Wind]

Brockololly wrote...
Unrelated note, but I'm curious about Awakening now. In this thread about the upcoming patch, they make note of the "players may now receive notes of appreciation from former love interests." This seems to refer to the missing Zevran and Leliana letters. *sigh* Unless there is something else hidden away by bugs in Awakening, it seems us Morrigan romancers get the shaft once again.

No, I don't see any letters from Morrigan in the patch... unless its a demand for child support payments lol.

It does kind of screw us Morrigan fans over yet again, but maybe they'll make up for it in DA:2.

Something with the ring would be awesome, a quick little cut scene that spawns just about anywhere, with the Warden feeling a twitch in the ring... implying... something. 

Just a side note, but for all who romanced Morrigan and played Awakening... there were a couple of rings out there with better stat improvements... Did anyone take Morrigan's ring off for Awakening?

I'll admit to be a sentimental fool, there was at least one ring I bought... but in the end, I didn't want to take Morrigan's off (or the Harvest ring, but that was purely for stats).

Modifié par Ash Wind, 19 juin 2010 - 05:58 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Ash Wind wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
Unrelated note, but I'm curious about Awakening now. In this thread about the upcoming patch, they make note of the "players may now receive notes of appreciation from former love interests." This seems to refer to the missing Zevran and Leliana letters. *sigh* Unless there is something else hidden away by bugs in Awakening, it seems us Morrigan romancers get the shaft once again.

No, I don't see any letters from Morrigan in the patch... unless its a demand for child support payments lol.

It does kind of screw us Morrigan fans over yet again, but maybe they'll make up for it in DA:2.

Something with the ring would be awesome, a quick little cut scene that spawns just about anywhere, with the Warden feeling a twitch in the ring... implying... something. 

Just a side note, but for all who romanced Morrigan and played Awakening... there where a couple of rings out there with better stat improvements... Did anyone take Morrigan's ring off for Awakening?

I'll admit to be a sentimental fool, there was at least one ring I bought... but in the end, I didn't want to take Morrigan's off (or the Harvest ring, but that was purely for stats).

My only Warden who romanced her into Awakening sold it, and bought some booze for good old oggy'. Then again Everd was glad that MOrrigan and his child werent in the picture since a kid is a pain to him. Also Everd is a twerp of an elf and I almost cried when Playing awakeing with him. SO EVIL>

[Ash Wind]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Ash Wind wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
Unrelated note, but I'm curious about Awakening now. In this thread about the upcoming patch, they make note of the "players may now receive notes of appreciation from former love interests." This seems to refer to the missing Zevran and Leliana letters. *sigh* Unless there is something else hidden away by bugs in Awakening, it seems us Morrigan romancers get the shaft once again.

No, I don't see any letters from Morrigan in the patch... unless its a demand for child support payments lol.

It does kind of screw us Morrigan fans over yet again, but maybe they'll make up for it in DA:2.

Something with the ring would be awesome, a quick little cut scene that spawns just about anywhere, with the Warden feeling a twitch in the ring... implying... something. 

Just a side note, but for all who romanced Morrigan and played Awakening... there where a couple of rings out there with better stat improvements... Did anyone take Morrigan's ring off for Awakening?

I'll admit to be a sentimental fool, there was at least one ring I bought... but in the end, I didn't want to take Morrigan's off (or the Harvest ring, but that was purely for stats).

My only Warden who romanced her into Awakening sold it, and bought some booze for good old oggy'. Then again Everd was glad that MOrrigan and his child werent in the picture since a kid is a pain to him. Also Everd is a twerp of an elf and I almost cried when Playing awakeing with him. SO EVIL>

LMAO

A man (including elves) has to have priorities... I can respect that.

[Swoo]

Ash Wind wrote...
Just a side note, but for all who romanced Morrigan and played Awakening... there were a couple of rings out there with better stat improvements... Did anyone take Morrigan's ring off for Awakening?

Yeah, I took it off but kept it in my inventory. That led to a 'Oh crap' moment in the Silverite Mines, I didn't care about any of my gear (could easily replace it) but I wasn't leaving until I got that ring back.

With Improved Atmosphere actually making the ring pretty stout statwise, I find most characters keep it on now. Awakenings just was stupid with gear scaling, I only played once but I'm almost positive I picked up a 10 spellpower (!) ring near the beginning. Stupidity!

[blademaster7]

Brockololly wrote...
Unrelated note, but I'm curious about Awakening now. In this thread about the upcoming patch, they make note of the "players may now receive notes of appreciation from former love interests." This seems to refer to the missing Zevran and Leliana letters. *sigh* Unless there is something else hidden away by bugs in Awakening, it seems us Morrigan romancers get the shaft once again.

So, lets see- Alistair romance= gets cutscene. Leliana and Zev romance= get nice letters. Morrigan romance= she dumps you, runs away with your Old God Kid and if you're lucky, you get a powerpoint slide. I'm not saying things need to be equal, but dammit man, I hope there is some kind of payoff for us Morrigan fans in the future cause the present sort of blows.:(They could always do something with the ring, but who knows all the missing/incomplete stuff there might be in Awakening, since they haven't updated the toolset for it....

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You know, there are dozens of moments where a mention of your romance would fit nicely into a dialogue.

Couldn't you have Oghren ask you a couple of questions about your LI? We had that in DAO with Alistair/Wynne/Leliana/Morrigan teasing you(in Wynne's case it's preaching).

But oh well. It shows that they somehow wanted us to see some romance recognition.The fact that they acknowledged the bug and now they are fixing it is good news. Maybe they will fix the epilogue slides as well.

Barbarossa, I'm glad you are enjoing Oblivion.
Once you finish the arena let us now how are you doing with the Dark Brotherhood quests...

[Terra_Ex]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

I've picked Oblivion back up to continue my playthrough and am enjoying it immensely.  I went to the
Imperial City and became an Arena fighter.  I really wanted the 120 Achievment points and the enchanted heavy arraignment, so I focused on making Grand Champion and completed that last night.  Am on the third
leg of the main quest line at present, having picked up a horse at the Priory; so I'm getting around a hell of a lot faster now.  LOVE the graphics and the open world (first time for me outside of my initial start-up with Fallout 3--BTW, went ahead and bought the GOTY edition of that, so only New Vegas will have to be purchased, when I'm ready).  The gameplay is a little sluggish in Oblivion for me, but it's serviceable enough.  Having simple magic available, even as a common sword and board foot soldier, is a pretty cool perk though.  Inventory and combat system was easy to pick up.  I guess 5 + playthroughs with DA:O, and 2 thru Awakenings, did have some advantages after all.

I left the main quest line till the very last and concentrated on rooting out the many sidequests first, it was pretty rewarding, but the game world is so huge its very easy to miss stuff. Harrassing the psychic imperial guards is always amusing as well, though quite dangerous at the beginning of the game. Random chance it what does it for me in a game like oblivion though, I love exploring and not knowing what exactly is around the next corner. Did you get the GOTY version of Oblivion with Shivering Isles btw? That adds a decent chunk after the main plot is done.

Swoo
wrote...
"I've picked Oblivion back up to continue my playthrough and am enjoying it immensely"

See, I can't do that. I thought Oblivion was awesome until the 'hey, go do this stage TWENTY-TWO TIMES'. I never want to play it again now.

Ah, well the thing with the Oblivion Gates iirc is its only about 5 dungeons used randomly over and over again (with the exception of the plot-mandatory ones). Once I noticed I was going through the exact same daedric realms once again I stopped closing the gates - iirc they keep respawning infinitely anyway. The only real use for them is stealing all the daedric gear imo. They can be ignored without consequence in my experience.

My last playthrough was as a vampire, and while the inhabitants aren't as reactive to your undead status as they were in Morrowind, it still made for an interesting playthrough. (Choosing to rest well into daybreak is not a good idea).

Brockololly wrote...
Unrelated note, but I'm curious about Awakening now. In this thread about the upcoming patch, they make note of the "players may now receive notes of appreciation from former love interests." This seems to refer to the missing Zevran and Leliana letters. *sigh* Unless there is something else hidden away by bugs in Awakening, it seems us Morrigan romancers get the shaft once again.

So, lets see- Alistair romance= gets cutscene. Leliana and Zev romance= get nice letters. Morrigan romance= she dumps you, runs away with your Old God Kid and if you're lucky, you get a powerpoint slide. I'm not saying things need to be equal, but dammit man, I hope there is some kind of payoff for us Morrigan fans in the future cause the present sort of blows.:(They could always do something with the ring, but who knows all the missing/incomplete stuff there might be in Awakening, since they haven't updated the toolset for it....

Bah, we're clearly expecting too much Brock, this is dark fantasy, dammit! When you get auto-dumped with zero answers you must sit there and take it! While I like all the other romances, the only one I actually care about continuing is Morri's and that is best left till the sequel. In all honesty (IF things actually worked properly) the ring slide in Origins and the Warden going off to search for her is adequate acknowledgement in my eyes - quite fitting to how things ended in Origins.

Brockololly wrote...
I really enjoyed Oblivion. I might add that its even more amazing on the PC with the plethora of good mods out there for it;). I know BioWare would never do a sandbox game like that, but I'd love it if DA2 at least had some more wide open levels where you can really look off in the distance and get a sense of scale of the world. One of my favorite things to do in Oblivion is to just ride around on your horse and go to the far north (Bruma, I think?) and go to that mountain with the Temple and just look out on everything and see the Imperial CIty and tower way off- very cool.

That is indeed a amazing sight - probably the best spot in the entire game for taking in the game world. I remember it was some time before I actually realised there was a fast travel option, till then I was riding around everywhere (which to be honest had its advantages, if you fast travel everywhere you won't stumble across some of the more obscure quests/encounters.)

Swoo wrote...

Ash Wind wrote...
Just a side note, but for all who romanced Morrigan and played Awakening... there were a couple of rings out there with better stat improvements... Did anyone take Morrigan's ring off for Awakening?

Yeah, I took it off but kept it in my inventory. That led to a 'Oh crap' moment in the Silverite Mines, I didn't care about any of my gear (could easily replace it) but I wasn't leaving until I got that ring back.

Heh, that sole moment easily makes the Architect a far more effective antagonist than Loghain & Archdemon put together. Who cares about blights when the damn ring gets stolen.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 19 juin 2010 - 12:52 .

[ximena]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Swoo wrote...

Ash Wind wrote...
Just a side note, but for all who romanced Morrigan and played Awakening... there were a couple of rings out there with better stat improvements... Did anyone take Morrigan's ring off for Awakening?

Yeah, I took it off but kept it in my inventory. That led to a 'Oh crap' moment in the Silverite Mines, I didn't care about any of my gear (could easily replace it) but I wasn't leaving until I got that ring back.

Heh, that sole moment easily makes the Architect a far more effective antagonist than Loghain & Archdemon put together. Who cares about blights when the damn ring gets stolen.

My Warden, Edric, never took it off. Wore it like a damned wedding ring. Haha. And yes, who cares about blights and evolving darkspawn when the damn ring gets stolen. 

[Master Shiori]

Ash Wind wrote... 

Just a side note, but for all who romanced Morrigan and played Awakening... there were a couple of rings out there with better stat improvements... Did anyone take Morrigan's ring off for Awakening?

I'll admit to be a sentimental fool, there was at least one ring I bought... but in the end, I didn't want to take Morrigan's off (or the Harvest ring, but that was purely for stats).

So far, of all my characters that romanced Morrigan, the only one I imported into Awakening is my canonical Cousland Warden. He never took the ring off during the game, except in Silverite MInes (or whatever they're called).

In fact that part of the game had me in a state of panic when my Warden woke up in a cell without his gear. The first thought was "The bastard took my ring!!".

Needless to say I was hellbent on getting it back, and damn the rest of the gear. As far as my Aedan Cousland is concerned that ring is almost like a wedding band for him and the only way it's leaving his hand is over his cold dead body.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 19 juin 2010 - 01:05 .

[Barbarossa2010]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Ash Wind wrote...

Something with the ring would be awesome, a quick little cut scene that spawns just about anywhere, with the Warden feeling a twitch in the ring... implying... something. 

I can imagine a “perfect” moment in the game that they could have used.
Awakening lasts for a few months I guess and starts six months after Origins, right? So the following scenario could have taken place.
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Somewhere in Vigil’s Keep, the Warden wakes up early at night. The ring is what woke him up, it was slightly twitching and the Warden could sense Morrigan in great pain. Worried, he starts thinking and quickly remembers that it has been about 9 months since the Dark Ritual (or possibly less because she is either giving birth earlier than expected or because she got pregnant before the Dark Ritual).

He jumped off his bed and started walking around nervously, knowing there was nothing he could do. For the next hour or so, he could sense how the pain was getting bigger. Worried even more and unsure what to do, the Warden took the ring off his finger and just held it with both of his hands. He sat on his bed, and at this very moment he wished nothing more in the world than to just hold her hand in order to make some of the pain go away. And then suddenly he sensed a strange warm feeling, the pain is still there but it has eased a little. Is it possible that she is sensing him right now?

For hours and hours long he was just sitting there on his bed, holding the ring and not losing any sight of it. He could still sense the pain she was going through, but it seemed that he has helped in making some of it go away. He also sensed other feelings as well, especially what seemed to be a mixed feeling of regret and happiness. But he was unsure if she really felt that or if it was perhaps something else?

Then all of a sudden the pain increased dramatically. The Warden knew this meant that the baby was coming, so he held the ring tighter than ever before. The pain was completely unbearable to Morrigan, now he wasn’t sure if he was helping at all. A few minutes have passed on but they seemed like eternity to him. Soon later…. the pain was gone!

The Warden couldn’t sense anything anymore! He jumped from the bed again and kept on saying “no, no, no, no… please not now, anything but now!” He waited and waited, not keeping his eyes away from the ring. He didn’t even notice that the night has completely passed and the sun started to rise. He waited on like that hoping to sense anything different, but the ring told no more.
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And there we go guys, just another ‘gotcha’ moment. Or should I say another epic ‘kicked in the balls’ moment.

Right.  "Kicked in the balls" pretty much sums up the writers' real purpose for Morrigan in DA.

Sorry, my myopia just kicked in there.

[ximena]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Ash Wind wrote...

Something with the ring would be awesome, a quick little cut scene that spawns just about anywhere, with the Warden feeling a twitch in the ring... implying... something. 

I can imagine a “perfect” moment in the game that they could have used.
Awakening lasts for a few months I guess and starts six months after Origins, right? So the following scenario could have taken place.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Somewhere in Vigil’s Keep, the Warden wakes up early at night. The ring is what woke him up, it was slightly twitching and the Warden could sense Morrigan in great pain. Worried, he starts thinking and quickly remembers that it has been about 9 months since the Dark Ritual (or possibly less because she is either giving birth earlier than expected or because she got pregnant before the Dark Ritual).

He jumped off his bed and started walking around nervously, knowing there was nothing he could do. For the next hour or so, he could sense how the pain was getting bigger. Worried even more and unsure what to do, the Warden took the ring off his finger and just held it with both of his hands. He sat on his bed, and at this very moment he wished nothing more in the world than to just hold her hand in order to make some of the pain go away. And then suddenly he sensed a strange warm feeling, the pain is still there but it has eased a little. Is it possible that she is sensing him right now?

For hours and hours long he was just sitting there on his bed, holding the ring and not losing any sight of it. He could still sense the pain she was going through, but it seemed that he has helped in making some of it go away. He also sensed other feelings as well, especially what seemed to be a mixed feeling of regret and happiness. But he was unsure if she really felt that or if it was perhaps something else?

Then all of a sudden the pain increased dramatically. The Warden knew this meant that the baby was coming, so he held the ring tighter than ever before. The pain was completely unbearable to Morrigan, now he wasn’t sure if he was helping at all. A few minutes have passed on but they seemed like eternity to him. Soon later…. the pain was gone!

The Warden couldn’t sense anything anymore! He jumped from the bed again and kept on saying “no, no, no, no… please not now, anything but now!” He waited and waited, not keeping his eyes away from the ring. He didn’t even notice that the night has completely passed and the sun started to rise. He waited on like that hoping to sense anything different, but the ring told no more.
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And there we go guys, just another ‘gotcha’ moment. Or should I say another epic ‘kicked in the balls’ moment.

Hm. Okay. Now I can't get this off my head. Haha. I feel my hand itching once again to go grab some paper and pen though I'm dead tired. Would it be okay if I take this for a spin and turn it into one of my MorriganxM!cousland mini-comics in the future? o:

[adneate]

What do you guys make of this comment by David Gaider, who was responding to the disappointment that DA2 was not at E3.

Is there a requirement that something get announced at E3 that we're not aware of?

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/9/index/2919943/1#2920290

Are they just jerking us around or is there something more to this?

[Master Shiori]

When it comes to David Gaider's comments you can never be sure where you stand.



Guy has a talent for saying "maybe we will, maybe we won't".. oh, and for wrecking the hopes and dreams of fans and drinking their tears afterwards.



Right now anything about that flier in Awakening retail verson is a fair guess. They could have changed their mind and moved the release date back. It might not have been about a DA title in the first place (even though EA's quarterly report confirmed a DA title was scheduled for release in January-March of 2011).

Or maybe they decided to pass on announcing anything at E3 and will do so at Gamescon in August.



As the saying from my country goes: "May we live to see it".

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

Right now anything about that flier in Awakening retail verson is a fair guess. They could have changed their mind and moved the release date back. It might not have been about a DA title in the first place (even though EA's quarterly report confirmed a DA title was scheduled for release in January-March of 2011).
Or maybe they decided to pass on announcing anything at E3 and will do so at Gamescon in August.

To be fair to BioWare and Gaider, its not like they ever said DA would be at E3 or anything. There were some interviews that hinted there may be reveals, but nothing concrete.

Its just that damn Awakening card- if they never put that in there, I would expect the next major DA game to maybe come out late 2011. But throw a date out there with nothing else and people's expectations and minds run wild. Its a common phenomenon on the internet- just look at the mysterious countdown clock they had for the Bazarre. Everyone thought it would be ME3 or DA2 or something. Or when Valve cancelled their E3 event for a "surprise" everyone thought it would be Episode 3 or Source 2 or something huge.

At this stage, with all of the tertiary evidence floating around as to what 2/1/2011 may be, people seem to think its a game. And given the timing and all, E3 is a good place to reveal games. Its just really weird in my view to tease this date and then not leave any breadcrumbs or follow up teases. Its just been dead silent regarding the next big DA thing since Awakening. 

Maybe we'll hear something at Gamescom, or some other time, I don't know. EA/BioWare's marketing just confuses the hell out of me...

[adneate]

Prehaps their marketing department is waiting for another time closer to launch date, sorta like COD4's marketing campaign which was very short and very intense they didn't reveal the game until they already had a release date ready to roll and most of the game done. The problem with DA was the hype train was endless and some people simply got bored waiting around for it, where as if they release a trailer and say "This will be out in 5 months" they can get the maximum effect for the least amount of money.

[blademaster7]

adneate wrote...

What do you guys make of this comment by David Gaider, who was responding to the disappointment that DA2 was not at E3.

Is there a requirement that something get announced at E3 that we're not aware of?

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/9/index/2919943/1#2920290

Are they just jerking us around or is there something more to this?

Oh... that's just their marketing strategy.

Throw in a liitle hint to gain the interest of your fans. Whether be it a simple epilogue ppt slide, a countdown on your website or a date you randomly wrote on their Awakening flyer, anything. It doesn't matter, just give them something to look forward to so they don't go away. In the meantime, sell them your DLC crap and try to milk them as much as possible. For as long as you keep their interest you can do whatever you want with them.

If something goes wrong(Bazaar, E3) then simply explain that you didn't promise anything.
The fans will eventually get sick of you and vouch not to buy any more DLC. And that's when you finally reveal the good news.

I don't know when the good news will come. It may take them years for all I know, but they will eventually announce it, and then everyone will forget about all the BS they had to endure with their marketing.

Modifié par blademaster7, 19 juin 2010 - 07:05 .

[Master Shiori]

I don't think it'll be years.



For one EA needs cash and that means releasing titles that are popular on regular basis.



Second, with the amount of good games coming out Bioware can't afford to take too long without releasing any sizeable content for DA or they risk losing customers to other companies and titles.

[Swoo]

adneate wrote...

What do you guys make of this comment by David Gaider, who was responding to the disappointment that DA2 was not at E3.

Is there a requirement that something get announced at E3 that we're not aware of?

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/9/index/2919943/1#2920290

Are they just jerking us around or is there something more to this?

If you ask a confrontational question, expect a confrontational answer.

Yes, I was right there with a 'WTF, what kind of market strategy is this sh-t?!' but I never directed it straight at Bioware. I would imagine the same kind of response if I had, so I don't read much of anything into that statement. He does say they know how much we are chomping at the bridle and to be patient, so I guess whatever they have for the Feb release wasn't up to their standards to be shown at E3. Sadly, I think my standards for sneak-peeks are much lower than Bioware's because I would have taken just about anything.

[Brockololly]

adneate wrote...

Prehaps their marketing department is waiting for another time closer to launch date, sorta like COD4's marketing campaign which was very short and very intense they didn't reveal the game until they already had a release date ready to roll and most of the game done. The problem with DA was the hype train was endless and some people simply got bored waiting around for it, where as if they release a trailer and say "This will be out in 5 months" they can get the maximum effect for the least amount of money.

I'm wondering if they're thinking the public needs a little break from DA. I mean it hasn't even been out a year yet after all. But like I've said before, if August and Gamescom rolls around and even then we haven't heard anything more about what 2/1/2011 means, then I'll start suspecting a delay or something is amiss. Cause once Gamescom is over, you've only got about 5 months until February and most big games generally get at least 6 months of exposure and hype.  But with EA/BioWare's marketing, who knows?

Master Shiori wrote...

I don't think it'll be years.

For
one EA needs cash and that means releasing titles that are popular on
regular basis.

Second, with the amount of good games coming out
Bioware can't afford to take too long without releasing any sizeable
content for DA or they risk losing customers to other companies and
titles.

Definitely- 2 years is the seemingly standard development time for most games now. And if they started on DA2 around when it was supposed to come out originally, that should be plenty of time for a sequel.

Its not like EA is going to let them spend years and years on end working on a sequel after they spent years developing DA in the first place. I just hope its the same quality as Origins and not a bug ridden mess like Awakening.

On the second point about losing customers and losing interest- this is where the Awakening card baffles me. It seems to be a teaser for something. Yet you usually follow up a teaser in a relatively short time frame with more information to make sense of the tease. 3+ months is awfully long for most people to even remember that card in Awakening.  ANd to not start marketing for the next big DA thing until only 6 months or so before its released seems kind of risky, considering all of the other games coming out early next year. It seems like more and more publishers are trying to squeeze big games into the 1st quarter of the year, which means more competition there.

My current prediction is we get an announcement from BioWare about DA2 on its own with maybe a teaser or something in July. Then DA2 is on the cover of Game Informer's August issue. Follow this up with DA2 officially revealed at Gamescom August 18-22. Well, thats my hope anyway at this stage. But we all know about the dangers of hope.....

[Brockololly]

Swoo wrote...

Yes, I was right there with a 'WTF, what kind of market strategy is this sh-t?!' but I never directed it straight at Bioware. I would imagine the same kind of response if I had, so I don't read much of anything into that statement. He does say they know how much we are chomping at the bridle and to be patient, so I guess whatever they have for the Feb release wasn't up to their standards to be shown at E3. Sadly, I think my standards for sneak-peeks are much lower than Bioware's because I would have taken just about anything.

Ultimately I have no problem with them not showing anything at E3 if it wasn't ready. Seems like getting demos or other stuff prepared for conventions and stuff takes a decent amount of effort, so if that effort was better spent making the game better, then so be it.

But like you said, they could have just thrown up "Dragon Age 2"  on a blank powerpoint slide and I would have been happy. But I'm guessing they want the any actual in-game footage to look slick before they start showing everyone.

More or less, the graphics and visuals were one of the more criticized apects of Origins so they no doubt want them looking good before the public sees them. Otherwise I'm sure you'll see people slinging the "super hot" quote back to Zeschuk's face if the graphical fidelity isn't noticably improved. Personally, I thought the graphics on PC at least were pretty good, but certain things like the animations, environments and such could use some more polish.

[Swoo]

Did they really crack on the visuals a lot for DA? I don't tend to really read any reviews unless a game comes out of nowhere and blindsides me. I thought the graphics and the like were perfectly fine in DA, but if the sequel is going to be a huge step forward, I can't wait to see that.

And I think Awakening would have been fine if it would have had ten times the budget and at least five times the staff working on it in the same time-frame (if the numbers dropped by various Bioware posts are close to correct). With EA's money, and Bioware's experience and core in place, I don't think having gaps of 12-18 months in between releases instantly means this 'sloppy, shoddy, buggy mess' that seems to be the rallying cry of the forums. If you have the bones of a franchise plotted out for years of releases, then you have the toughest part of a RPG taken care of and can move more quickly than anticipated.

Speaking of forums, notice that 'other' thread going on right now? I don't even have the energy to really rebuke any of the posts, it's like they all are following a checklist and hitting every single note I 'raged' about earlier. It would be different if there was some new material on their end to consider but honestly it's just old hat by now, but God help you if you don't act like it makes perfect sense and they are genius' for coming up with the viewpoint

Reading some older posts though I came across something interesting. People were asking for more information about Anders' background, and a writer politely shot it down saying they weren't willing to tip their hand quite yet. Now, I run with conspiracy theories from time to time, but I think if you were going to keep a NPC's reveal close to the vest then that means there is a high chance he is going to be back, and the time-frame will be close enough that it still has impact. Learning Anders' 'shocking history' (or what have you) thirty years down the road doesn't seem that powerful as the 5-10 window that seems logical for the sequel. Couple that with Morrigan being confirmed to reappearing and I think we are starting to see hints that DA2 will take a mix of O and A companions with new ones, and be slightly moved down the time-line but nothing drastic....exactly like Baldur's Gate II.

As the saying from my country goes: "May we live to see it".

Ok, not to pry so feel free to tell me to STFU, but where is that saying from? Which country I mean? Call it curiosity. I'm from LA, if we have a saying it's just 'Don't bull**** a bull****ter', heh.

And Blademaster, I just found out the best dagger in the game only comes to you if you pick the City Elf Origin. I'm slightly ticked my Cousland got robbed in his dagger build now. Your Father basically gives you a Starfang-equivalent dagger, so unfair! I was making a 2H Cousland to see the whole Anora/Loghain angle, but now I'm dead tempted to make another Rogue.

Modifié par Swoo, 20 juin 2010 - 12:50 .

[Swoo]

And I think Awakening would have been fine if it would have had ten
times the budget and at least five times the staff working on it in the
same time-frame (if the numbers dropped by various Bioware posts are
close to correct). With EA's money, and Bioware's experience and core in
place, I don't think having gaps of 12-18 months in between releases
instantly means this 'sloppy, shoddy, buggy mess' that seems to be the
rallying cry of the forums. If you have the bones of a franchise plotted
out for years of releases, then you have the toughest part of a RPG
taken care of and can move more quickly than anticipated.

And to just be a little more clear on this point since it really sticks out to me when I was re-reading for any glaring typo's, I'm talking about flagpole releases like Origins or Dragon Age 2. Smaller, 'crunched' releases like DLC and Expansion Packages you have to raise an eyebrow and go 'Err, I don't trust you Bioware' until they prove otherwise. But when talking about the central releases, I think no expense will be spared and quality will be held to Bioware's usual standard because love EA, hate EA, or not give a damn, they have made it abundantly clear they want a strong corner in the RPG market, and they know a team like Bioware gives them a legit shot to be Top 3 in the field.